Solo: A Star Wars Story
Discussion
My biggest issue around this I think is;
In ANH it was inferred that Kessel are spice mines, probably in that context relating to drugs. In ANH Han stated he did the Kessel Run, so it infers that he was in fact a drug smuggler. But, in the world of Disney you can't have someone nasty like a drug smuggler become a hero. So they made the Kessel run be about fuel, rather than spice (drugs).
The whole point of han's story arc in ANH was that he was a pretty selfish smuggler/pirate type captain who eventually turns to become a good guy.
Disney are doing this a lot, they need to find reasons that make people bad, not just accept that some people are just bad. (see Maleficent)
In ANH it was inferred that Kessel are spice mines, probably in that context relating to drugs. In ANH Han stated he did the Kessel Run, so it infers that he was in fact a drug smuggler. But, in the world of Disney you can't have someone nasty like a drug smuggler become a hero. So they made the Kessel run be about fuel, rather than spice (drugs).
The whole point of han's story arc in ANH was that he was a pretty selfish smuggler/pirate type captain who eventually turns to become a good guy.
Disney are doing this a lot, they need to find reasons that make people bad, not just accept that some people are just bad. (see Maleficent)
Nik da Greek said:
Really? Or have I just triggered the PH argue-for-the-sake-of-arguing massive? 
Because it sure still sounds like b
ks to me. If people can do things really quickly, they tend to measure that feat in terms of speed, not in terms of how elaborately they can distort the measurement system 
It's not a distortion of the measurement system. Because it sure still sounds like bks to me. If people can do things really quickly, they tend to measure that feat in terms of speed, not in terms of how elaborately they can distort the measurement system The Kessel run is talked about like everyone knows what it is. If everyone knows that the faster your ship is the shorter the distance is, then the boast makes sense.
We don't always use speed for things done impressively quickly anyway, look at 100m sprints for example. The speed is implied and everyone is totally content with it.
Same thing with Han's boast.
Watched in on Now TV the other day. It really did nothing for me.
Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
funkyrobot said:
Watched in on Now TV the other day. It really did nothing for me.
Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
Also, as I have mentioned before, the new film has now made TFA unwatchable, because we all now know the continuing stories from that film go nowhere. There is no reason to watch it.Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
As much as I hate certain aspects of RotJ (or Muppets in Space), I still re-watch because I enjoy watching the plot resolutions.
I do not think it matter how they handle the plots in the next instalment, this trilogy is now doomed. I have no interest in watching it for free, never mind booking tickets for the 12.00am showing like I did with TLJ, which, incidentally, is the only time I have watched it, not bothered with it at all since.
Rogue One is still very watchable, though. Aesthetically, it's nigh on perfect.
funkyrobot said:
Watched in on Now TV the other day. It really did nothing for me.
Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
That's a bit much - her character was the centre of two of the three plot twists in the film as well as being Han's main motivation throughout the film. How can you say her character added nothing? Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
youngsyr said:
funkyrobot said:
Watched in on Now TV the other day. It really did nothing for me.
Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
That's a bit much - her character was the centre of two of the three plot twists in the film as well as being Han's main motivation throughout the film. How can you say her character added nothing? Star Wars is dead. The Force Awakens got me excited, Rogue One was quite good, then TLJ came along and completely destroyed the franchise. Solo wasn't anything special either. The only thing that caught my interest was that scene involving a Sith Lord. Where will that go though?
The SJW's have destroyed it. The stories aren't interesting anymore and Disney have run out of ideas. I'm surprised they didn't change Han Solo to a woman called Hannah Solo.
What was the point of the character of the woman from Game of Thrones? All she did was smile. Terrible acting.
Such a shame as I've been a fan since I first saw the original Star Wars as a youngster.
I enjoyed episodes 4/5/6. Wasn't really a big fan of episodes 1/2/3, but don't mind them. Rogue One was truly excellent. Episodes 7 & 8 were probably better than episodes 1/2/3 (just my opinion, not stating it as a fact). Solo was an enjoyable film (although I do wish they hadn't bothered with the Kessel Run).
People just seem to love coming along and moaning for no particularly good reason. The internet, giving grouchy people a voice since its inception.
youngsyr said:
That's a bit much - her character was the centre of two of the three plot twists in the film as well as being Han's main motivation throughout the film. How can you say her character added nothing?
In fairness to Emilia Clarke (the actress in question), it's all in the eyebrows with her. If the directors don't give them top billing she probably won't come across well. She learnt it from an early age, here she is in an early TV appearance:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uWBog2Oi8
Is there ever going to be a sequel to this? Curious to see what they do with the Sith chap who appeared at the end. I suppose since it got a relatively poor reception at the box office we might never know, unless it was setting him up for a Kenobi movie.
clonmult said:
Some people just went into the film expecting it to be bad, they didn't really bother watching it, so have to come up with some form of commentary to justify their point of view.
I enjoyed episodes 4/5/6. Wasn't really a big fan of episodes 1/2/3, but don't mind them. Rogue One was truly excellent. Episodes 7 & 8 were probably better than episodes 1/2/3 (just my opinion, not stating it as a fact). Solo was an enjoyable film (although I do wish they hadn't bothered with the Kessel Run).
People just seem to love coming along and moaning for no particularly good reason. The internet, giving grouchy people a voice since its inception.
People care because it is their childhood movies. Hence why both the prequels and the Disney Star Wars movies have been subject to such scrutiny and criticism.I enjoyed episodes 4/5/6. Wasn't really a big fan of episodes 1/2/3, but don't mind them. Rogue One was truly excellent. Episodes 7 & 8 were probably better than episodes 1/2/3 (just my opinion, not stating it as a fact). Solo was an enjoyable film (although I do wish they hadn't bothered with the Kessel Run).
People just seem to love coming along and moaning for no particularly good reason. The internet, giving grouchy people a voice since its inception.
The Disney ones look the part and are visually stunning. They look like Star Wars, but with the added benefit of the best special effects money can now buy. For the most part though they are empty.
Red letter media (who came to fame through the take down of the prequels) put it best in that whatever the flaws of the prequels at least they were made by someone who cared about the lore and had a story to tell.
The new ones have nothing to say beyond empty retreads of familiar themes and fan service, and that is the better ones like AFA and Rogue One (which I really like while recognising the flaws)
If you prefer them to the prequels I can understand that, they look far better and they have dialogue that humans might say.
The reason why people get so passionate about TLJ is that it is THEIR childhood Disney is pissing all over while the media tells them who great it is.
JagLover said:
clonmult said:
Some people just went into the film expecting it to be bad, they didn't really bother watching it, so have to come up with some form of commentary to justify their point of view.
I enjoyed episodes 4/5/6. Wasn't really a big fan of episodes 1/2/3, but don't mind them. Rogue One was truly excellent. Episodes 7 & 8 were probably better than episodes 1/2/3 (just my opinion, not stating it as a fact). Solo was an enjoyable film (although I do wish they hadn't bothered with the Kessel Run).
People just seem to love coming along and moaning for no particularly good reason. The internet, giving grouchy people a voice since its inception.
People care because it is their childhood movies. Hence why both the prequels and the Disney Star Wars movies have been subject to such scrutiny and criticism.I enjoyed episodes 4/5/6. Wasn't really a big fan of episodes 1/2/3, but don't mind them. Rogue One was truly excellent. Episodes 7 & 8 were probably better than episodes 1/2/3 (just my opinion, not stating it as a fact). Solo was an enjoyable film (although I do wish they hadn't bothered with the Kessel Run).
People just seem to love coming along and moaning for no particularly good reason. The internet, giving grouchy people a voice since its inception.
The Disney ones look the part and are visually stunning. They look like Star Wars, but with the added benefit of the best special effects money can now buy. For the most part though they are empty.
Red letter media (who came to fame through the take down of the prequels) put it best in that whatever the flaws of the prequels at least they were made by someone who cared about the lore and had a story to tell.
The new ones have nothing to say beyond empty retreads of familiar themes and fan service, and that is the better ones like AFA and Rogue One (which I really like while recognising the flaws)
If you prefer them to the prequels I can understand that, they look far better and they have dialogue that humans might say.
The reason why people get so passionate about TLJ is that it is THEIR childhood Disney is pissing all over while the media tells them who great it is.
chris watton said:
Rogue One is still very watchable, though. Aesthetically, it's nigh on perfect.
Yes, Aesthetically, it's wonderful, and it'll get a rewatch one day just for that. Then I'l probably figure out if it's going to be a future watcher, which means it's a good film. As RLM says, you may not notice, but your brain notices. 
bstb3 said:
In fairness to Emilia Clarke (the actress in question), it's all in the eyebrows with her. If the directors don't give them top billing she probably won't come across well. She learnt it from an early age, here she is in an early TV appearance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uWBog2Oi8
Is there ever going to be a sequel to this? Curious to see what they do with the Sith chap who appeared at the end. I suppose since it got a relatively poor reception at the box office we might never know, unless it was setting him up for a Kenobi movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uWBog2Oi8
Is there ever going to be a sequel to this? Curious to see what they do with the Sith chap who appeared at the end. I suppose since it got a relatively poor reception at the box office we might never know, unless it was setting him up for a Kenobi movie.
You tt Halb, you completely got me on that! Halb said:
Yes, Aesthetically, it's wonderful, and it'll get a rewatch one day just for that. Then I'l probably figure out if it's going to be a future watcher, which means it's a good film. As RLM says, you may not notice, but your brain notices.
Rogue One has become my "go to" Star Wars movie, when I just fancy a Star Wars hit, it's absolutely fantastic.
AshVX220 said:
bstb3 said:
In fairness to Emilia Clarke (the actress in question), it's all in the eyebrows with her. If the directors don't give them top billing she probably won't come across well. She learnt it from an early age, here she is in an early TV appearance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uWBog2Oi8
Is there ever going to be a sequel to this? Curious to see what they do with the Sith chap who appeared at the end. I suppose since it got a relatively poor reception at the box office we might never know, unless it was setting him up for a Kenobi movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uWBog2Oi8
Is there ever going to be a sequel to this? Curious to see what they do with the Sith chap who appeared at the end. I suppose since it got a relatively poor reception at the box office we might never know, unless it was setting him up for a Kenobi movie.
You tt Halb, you completely got me on that! I work bsb remotely...
Nik da Greek said:
DMN said:
Nik da Greek said:
But wait... Disney's scriptwriters do know that a parsec is a measure of distance, right?
Yes, and thats the point. Doing the run in 12 parsecs means flying closer to the blackhole. Which most craft can't do, so they take a longer route which puts them in less danger. Hence Hans boast. He makes the boast in response to a question about how fast his ship is. It jarred even in ANH and trying to explain it for a third of this film was a bad mistake because it makes less sense, not more.
Hopefully they'll reedit the scene in ANH before they bring it out for the 50th anniversary.
At least everyone who doesn't like all the Disney films won't bother to watch them and spend hours on the internet obsessively picking them apart. Oh hang on.... the other thing.
Solo was ok, it was too geeky there were too many big character establishing moments that I wasn't really bothered about or fell flat (the Kessel Run, beating Lando at cards). The main problem was that the actor playing Han wasn't really charismatic enough to carry off the role. Harrison Ford, Oscar Isacc and Diego Luna were all better in their respective roles.
I liked Woody Harrelson, Donald Glover and Paul Bettany in supporting roles, and I like the impression that all the supporting characters were very duplicitous, especially Emilia Clarke. Should probably watch it again, I was tired and not very receptive when I saw it.
Solo was ok, it was too geeky there were too many big character establishing moments that I wasn't really bothered about or fell flat (the Kessel Run, beating Lando at cards). The main problem was that the actor playing Han wasn't really charismatic enough to carry off the role. Harrison Ford, Oscar Isacc and Diego Luna were all better in their respective roles.
I liked Woody Harrelson, Donald Glover and Paul Bettany in supporting roles, and I like the impression that all the supporting characters were very duplicitous, especially Emilia Clarke. Should probably watch it again, I was tired and not very receptive when I saw it.
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