The Crash Detectives BBC

[Red9zero]

P-Jay said:

Alickadoo said:

Randy Winkman said:

mrmistoffelees said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67218612

I hope the parents are really, really happy.

Why have all the children got double barrelled first names?

Some people like double barrelled Christian names. Let’s leave it there shall we?

Yes. Of all the families allowed to do whatever they want to make them happy, it`s them.

[daqinggregg]

Alickadoo said:

misssinead said:

Everyone should be made to watch it to show the impact that their action could have on the people around them.

How would you do that?

I’m not sure if they have DD commercials on TV anymore.

Something on the lines of:

Short clip, of him drinking while driving, the actual scene from the show.

Still picture, of the crash.

XXX is now dead.

XXX is now in prison for (insert the number of years)

Could all be done in less than 30 seconds.

Of course not everyone will see it.

[KobayashiMaru86]

It does make you think how many people are on the roads right now drugged up or drunk. It's terrifying to think about. You can do everything right and still come across one of these idiots.

They really shouldn't have stopped on the hard shoulder because a kid felt unwell. Hard shoulder is last resort when you've genuinely broken down.

[Red9zero]

KobayashiMaru86 said:

It does make you think how many people are on the roads right now drugged up or drunk. It's terrifying to think about. You can do everything right and still come across one of these idiots.

They really shouldn't have stopped on the hard shoulder because a kid felt unwell. Hard shoulder is last resort when you've genuinely broken down.

Like the lads in the Focus the other week. You can be minding your own business and they come round a corner on your side of the road.

[FiF]

Red9zero said:

KobayashiMaru86 said:

It does make you think how many people are on the roads right now drugged up or drunk. It's terrifying to think about. You can do everything right and still come across one of these idiots.

They really shouldn't have stopped on the hard shoulder because a kid felt unwell. Hard shoulder is last resort when you've genuinely broken down.

Like the lads in the Focus the other week. You can be minding your own business and they come round a corner on your side of the road.

Every evening when we take the dog up to the forest or to the heath for a walk there will be at least one, if not more, sets of no hopers parked up in their Fiestas or whatever surrounded by an absolute fog of the stinky stuff. Then they'll be driving home or to McD's.

What's the consensus here, leave them to it or report?

[Bonefish Blues]

FiF said:

Red9zero said:

KobayashiMaru86 said:

It does make you think how many people are on the roads right now drugged up or drunk. It's terrifying to think about. You can do everything right and still come across one of these idiots.

They really shouldn't have stopped on the hard shoulder because a kid felt unwell. Hard shoulder is last resort when you've genuinely broken down.

Like the lads in the Focus the other week. You can be minding your own business and they come round a corner on your side of the road.

Every evening when we take the dog up to the forest or to the heath for a walk there will be at least one, if not more, sets of no hopers parked up in their Fiestas or whatever surrounded by an absolute fog of the stinky stuff. Then they'll be driving home or to McD's.

What's the consensus here, leave them to it or report?

Call it in, at least a marker will be put on the car.

[Piginapoke]

I just watched the M4 hard shoulder episode, harrowing viewing. The POS needed a lot longer than 9 years for what he did.

But it is also a lesson about the dangers of stopping on the hard shoulder- if only the family had just come off at the next junction

[Alickadoo]

There seems to be a hard core of motorists who don't believe in fastening their seat belts. No, I don't mean just royalty.

Anybody on here who doesn't use the belt, but prefers to buckle it and sit on it?

Care to explain your logic?

[Kamov]

Alickadoo said:

There seems to be a hard core of motorists who don't believe in fastening their seat belts. No, I don't mean just royalty.

Anybody on here who doesn't use the belt, but prefers to buckle it and sit on it?

Care to explain your logic?

Considering you, when clicking on a link to say that the couple who lost those kids in such a tragic pointless way at the hand of some scum bag, your response to it on here was "why do they double barrelled first names?".
I feel prepared to meet your challenge an explain why i many time don't buckle up.

So here goes. Firstly for what its worth I've not had a drink in 10 years, and never ever drunk and drove, never done drugs and drove, always insured always had an array of interesting cars, retro Alfas, Jeep off roaders etc.
I'm born middle class back when we had a real middle class, went to private school, so not a chav.

For some reason since I passed my test some 26 years ago I've always seemed to have a mental block with buckling up when I'm driving.
If I'm a passenger always without fail i buckle, but me driving it was never a concerted statement, I just have found myself half way into a journey and then remembered to put it on, or sometimes just left it off.
I really would love to shed some light on to it, I tend to watch stuff like this show then i buckle up, then start getting back into old habits and leaving it off.

Because I always had retro cars or way back a Triumph Herald which had a buckle lap strap IIRC or maybe not even seat belts at all, I've never had an annoying beeping when not plugged in, but guess what, my wife's cars are always new ones and i always buckle up if i drive them because the beeps.

In all my Alfas I wore a seatbelt I'd say all the time as they were either GTV V6's or track focused 155's or 75's and a few had harness's anyway.
I had a period of old retro lowered VW's and i think that was where I really embedded the non seatbelt mindset, horrendously and to my shame it didn't feel 'cool' to be gliding around in a lowered VW in summer with a seatbelt on.
It felt at odds with the VDub vibe......... really sad i know.....

Anyway, there is an honest answer. I won't be glib or crass and say 'and I'm not dead yet' as its beyond stupid and i get it.
I will think a bit more now.
But the serious point is we aren't all just some chavs who think they are deifying something or simply lazy, its a mindset and for sure the beeps really work for all but the ones who plug in behind and sit on the belt.... that to me is really bad as its still effort, possibly more.

I will just point out that an old law is still in place where van drivers who are delivering can not wear a seatbelt IIRC. So maybe another excuse would be short trips...but hey, i get it, its about saving your face or life, not about loop holes...

[tight fart]

You can send a chav to a private school but it will still be a chav.
“ For some reason since I passed my test some 26 years ago I've always seemed to have a mental block with buckling up when I'm driving.”

What a stupid post, they walk amongst us and justify it.

[greygoose]

Kamov said:

Alickadoo said:

There seems to be a hard core of motorists who don't believe in fastening their seat belts. No, I don't mean just royalty.

Anybody on here who doesn't use the belt, but prefers to buckle it and sit on it?

Care to explain your logic?

Considering you, when clicking on a link to say that the couple who lost those kids in such a tragic pointless way at the hand of some scum bag, your response to it on here was "why do they double barrelled first names?".
I feel prepared to meet your challenge an explain why i many time don't buckle up.

So here goes. Firstly for what its worth I've not had a drink in 10 years, and never ever drunk and drove, never done drugs and drove, always insured always had an array of interesting cars, retro Alfas, Jeep off roaders etc.
I'm born middle class back when we had a real middle class, went to private school, so not a chav.

For some reason since I passed my test some 26 years ago I've always seemed to have a mental block with buckling up when I'm driving.
If I'm a passenger always without fail i buckle, but me driving it was never a concerted statement, I just have found myself half way into a journey and then remembered to put it on, or sometimes just left it off.
I really would love to shed some light on to it, I tend to watch stuff like this show then i buckle up, then start getting back into old habits and leaving it off.

Because I always had retro cars or way back a Triumph Herald which had a buckle lap strap IIRC or maybe not even seat belts at all, I've never had an annoying beeping when not plugged in, but guess what, my wife's cars are always new ones and i always buckle up if i drive them because the beeps.

In all my Alfas I wore a seatbelt I'd say all the time as they were either GTV V6's or track focused 155's or 75's and a few had harness's anyway.
I had a period of old retro lowered VW's and i think that was where I really embedded the non seatbelt mindset, horrendously and to my shame it didn't feel 'cool' to be gliding around in a lowered VW in summer with a seatbelt on.
It felt at odds with the VDub vibe......... really sad i know.....

Anyway, there is an honest answer. I won't be glib or crass and say 'and I'm not dead yet' as its beyond stupid and i get it.
I will think a bit more now.
But the serious point is we aren't all just some chavs who think they are deifying something or simply lazy, its a mindset and for sure the beeps really work for all but the ones who plug in behind and sit on the belt.... that to me is really bad as its still effort, possibly more.

I will just point out that an old law is still in place where van drivers who are delivering can not wear a seatbelt IIRC. So maybe another excuse would be short trips...but hey, i get it, its about saving your face or life, not about loop holes...

You are an idiot.

[Dr Murdoch]

Kamov said:

But the serious point is we aren't all just some chavs who think they are deifying something or simply lazy, its a mindset and for sure the beeps really work for all but the ones who plug in behind and sit on the belt.... that to me is really bad as its still effort, possibly more.
.

I might be mistaken, but don't these type leave the seatbelts plugged in? So bugger all effort?

[Kamov]

Dr Murdoch said:

I might be mistaken, but don't these type leave the seatbelts plugged in? So bugger all effort?

Well if they get in a car for a 1 hour journey, the effort to buckle it behind your back into the slot is as much if not more of just doing it normally.

Anyway I get the hatred for admitting it. (as explained i don't buckle in and sit on it)
I'm an honest person and a question was asked.
I think the hatred is fine, but the judgement from people who I'd guess break the speed limit everyday is rich.
I don't think not wearing a seatbelt is as easy as "you are idiot scum and a chav".

I sometimes get in a car and realise 10 mins in I didn't buckle up. Hardly being a terrorist is it, some perspective would be nice at least.

Far worse is the people i see daily not just on a phone but clearly messaging someone looking down at it, even saw a guy once both hands off texting on his phone as he came towards me.

I'm not defending it, just that no one ever admits anything apart from the old 'nudge nudge wink wink speeding thing', because that is so so cool....

Yes i know things for me will be worse in a crash but i ride a motorbike also so i know the dangers and i guess I'm so heightened and alert on my motorbike that in a car i feel safer more relaxed and I'm guessing maybe the seatbelt doesn't feel like as much of a safety crutch as it does to others...

I don't get in a car and think "I'm going to die today, if only i had a strap to put around me....oh there is!, thank God!!!"

Maybe, granted, i should.... because i sure as hell think that when i go out on my motorbike because someone pulling out on me is very easily death.

Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 21st November 07:45

[Castrol for a knave]

said:

No hate from me, I just file under "People Who Drive at Night with Just Side lights On".

My first car was a Spitfire, 35 years ago. It had statics. A total faff but still marginally better than exiting it through the windscreen.

You said yourself, a guy on a phone was heading for you. Had you connected you'd be dead, or a soup enthusiast at best.

I find non-seatbelt wearers odd. It's not like they are purposely playing risk, some sort of convex thought process. I'm a keen ice climber and I tend to have a deep play approach to some of the harder climbs, but even then, I am trying to mitigate risk. The non-seatbelt wearer has no end gain and is making no effort to limit his risk. There is no upside.

Just chuck the belt on an get on with your day.

[eldar]

Kamov said:

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Yes i know things for me will be worse in a crash but i ride a motorbike also so i know the dangers and i guess I'm so heightened and alert on my motorbike that in a car i feel safer more relaxed and I'm guessing maybe the seatbelt doesn't feel like as much of a safety crutch as it does to others...

I don't get in a car and think "I'm going to die today, if only i had a strap to put around me....oh there is!, thank God!!!"

Maybe, granted, i should.... because i sure as hell think that when i go out on my motorbike because someone pulling out on me is very easily death.

Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 21st November 07:45

Do you wear a helmet on your bike? Seatbelts seem an irrational precaution to ignore in isolation.

[Dr Murdoch]

Kamov said:

Well if they get in a car for a 1 hour journey, the effort to buckle it behind your back into the slot is as much if not more of just doing it normally.

Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 21st November 07:45

How is there effort to buckle it if the belt is already buckled?

Think about it......

[Eric Mc]

Kamov said:

Well if they get in a car for a 1 hour journey, the effort to buckle it behind your back into the slot is as much if not more of just doing it normally.

Anyway I get the hatred for admitting it. (as explained i don't buckle in and sit on it)
I'm an honest person and a question was asked.
I think the hatred is fine, but the judgement from people who I'd guess break the speed limit everyday is rich.
I don't think not wearing a seatbelt is as easy as "you are idiot scum and a chav".

I sometimes get in a car and realise 10 mins in I didn't buckle up. Hardly being a terrorist is it, some perspective would be nice at least.

Far worse is the people i see daily not just on a phone but clearly messaging someone looking down at it, even saw a guy once both hands off texting on his phone as he came towards me.

I'm not defending it, just that no one ever admits anything apart from the old 'nudge nudge wink wink speeding thing', because that is so so cool....

Yes i know things for me will be worse in a crash but i ride a motorbike also so i know the dangers and i guess I'm so heightened and alert on my motorbike that in a car i feel safer more relaxed and I'm guessing maybe the seatbelt doesn't feel like as much of a safety crutch as it does to others...

I don't get in a car and think "I'm going to die today, if only i had a strap to put around me....oh there is!, thank God!!!"

Maybe, granted, i should.... because i sure as hell think that when i go out on my motorbike because someone pulling out on me is very easily death.

Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 21st November 07:45

Anyone who steadfastly refuses to wear their belt is an idiot of the highest calibre.

Apart from the fact that they are breaking the law.

[Dashnine]

Future Darwin Award winner.

[Kamov]

Dashnine said:

Future Darwin Award winner.

Yes and I kill kittens and I'm a Nazi.

Funnily enough since I posted I've been buckling up straight away as its in my mind to. So if this has got me over my mental block of forgetting to buckle up then its good right?

I will add again that its fine and understandable to take the stance that non seatbelt wearing isn't cool, I agree, but then why is speeding still thought of as really cool? Why do we even have cars that can go faster than 70 and every road sign has an ecu that interacts with cars ecu's (retro fitted if older car) to limit them for that particular speed zone, 30, 40 etc.....

If we were inventing it now that would be what we'd do, but speed is still so cool and still some 'right'.
I'd say not wearing a seatbelt is very very low down in things to get arsey about compared to drink driving, drug driving, driving whilst tired, on phone, speeding...

Cruising around Cornwall in a lowered VW camper van at 25 mph not wearing a seat belt, or driving at 70mph down country lanes with a seatbelt on.... which is worse?
There is nuance.

Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 21st November 15:24

[eldar]

Kamov said:

Dashnine said:

Future Darwin Award winner.

Cruising around Cornwall in a lowered VW camper van at 25 mph not wearing a seat belt, or driving at 70mph down country lanes with a seatbelt on.... which is worse?
There is nuance.

Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 21st November 15:24

Both are foolish and illegal.

I'd stop digging