Radio 2 drivetime - another show ruined

[oilbethere]

If Fearne Cotton gets a regular slot I will never listen again.

[krunchkin]

SCEtoAUX said:

My first dip into this thread and I agree with the sentiments expressed here.

BBC just ticking a box and delivering a show that is truly woeful. You can tell Mayo is not happy and I'll be astonished if he's still there in six months.

Wiley is woeful, not a daytime radio presented and never will be.

For me now my BBC radio day goes: Keaveny from the time I wake until 9:30 Ken Bruce. Midday don't listen. 1:00pm to 4:00pm RadMac and that's it.

Radio 2 was good once, now it's just bloody awful except for the Bruce Oasis in the morning. Sadly I'll give him just a couple of years and they'll bring in a female to replace him, or possibly Trevor Nelson.

The fact is, blokes make better radio presenters than women do. Peel, Walker, Everett, Bruce, Radcliffe, Edmonds, Powell, Travis (yes really), Davis, Jensen, Blackburn.... the list goes on. I honestly cannot think of a single female presenter who I would make a point of listening to.

I'm genuinely interested - what is it that Ken Bruce does that is so appealing? He ambles through a couple of hours of borderline creepy chat with the traffic woman, plays Fleetwood Mac, Moonlight Shadow and Electric Dreams, does the same old pop quiz he's done for about 30 years, then hands over to Jeremy Vine and fks off down the golf club. What is so enigmatic about this format?

[Eric Mc]

krunchkin said:

I'm genuinely interested - what is it that Ken Bruce does that is so appealing? He ambles through a couple of hours of borderline creepy chat with the traffic woman, plays Fleetwood Mac, Moonlight Shadow and Electric Dreams, does the same old pop quiz he's done for about 30 years, then hands over to Jeremy Vine and fks off down the golf club. What is so enigmatic about this format?

That's aspirational for a lot of blokes of a certain age

[Moonhawk]

davepoth said:

SCEtoAUX said:

The fact is, blokes make better radio presenters than women do.

Why?

Just one of those things I guess.

Same with comedians. There are a few good female ones about - but the simple fact is, there are a lot more male ones, they tend to be funnier - and they bring in bigger numbers.

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 5th June 23:14

[youngsyr]

krunchkin said:

SCEtoAUX said:

My first dip into this thread and I agree with the sentiments expressed here.

BBC just ticking a box and delivering a show that is truly woeful. You can tell Mayo is not happy and I'll be astonished if he's still there in six months.

Wiley is woeful, not a daytime radio presented and never will be.

For me now my BBC radio day goes: Keaveny from the time I wake until 9:30 Ken Bruce. Midday don't listen. 1:00pm to 4:00pm RadMac and that's it.

Radio 2 was good once, now it's just bloody awful except for the Bruce Oasis in the morning. Sadly I'll give him just a couple of years and they'll bring in a female to replace him, or possibly Trevor Nelson.

The fact is, blokes make better radio presenters than women do. Peel, Walker, Everett, Bruce, Radcliffe, Edmonds, Powell, Travis (yes really), Davis, Jensen, Blackburn.... the list goes on. I honestly cannot think of a single female presenter who I would make a point of listening to.

I'm genuinely interested - what is it that Ken Bruce does that is so appealing? He ambles through a couple of hours of borderline creepy chat with the traffic woman, plays Fleetwood Mac, Moonlight Shadow and Electric Dreams, does the same old pop quiz he's done for about 30 years, then hands over to Jeremy Vine and fks off down the golf club. What is so enigmatic about this format?

And there you have it - it isn't the format, it's the presenter that makes the show.

Put Jo Wiley on that show and it would be utter dirge.

[youngsyr]

Moonhawk said:

davepoth said:

SCEtoAUX said:

The fact is, blokes make better radio presenters than women do.

Why?

Just one of those things I guess.

Same with comedians. There are a few good female ones about - but the simple fact is, there are a lot more male ones, they tend to be funnier - and they bring in bigger numbers.

Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 5th June 23:14

You'd have to be pretty sexist to think that women couldn't be as good presenters as men, but what the BBC seem to want to do is to force any half decent woman they've got on to prime time Radio 2, regardless of whether they're a good fit for the programme.

Not to mention that to force Wiley into Simon Mayo's programme as a partnership only underlines the message that women aren't as good as men, because she apparently needs a seasoned male hand to hold and isn't good enough to take on the programme alone.

[Moonhawk]

youngsyr said:

You'd have to be pretty sexist to think that women couldn't be as good presenters as men..........

I didn't say that though did I

Could an individual woman be as good a presenter as an individual man - sure, I don't see why not.

Are female presenters (on average) as good as male presenters all else being equal. IMO no - hence why I drew the comparison with comedians.

[Pothole]

Otispunkmeyer said:

generationx said:

Irrational hate of Jo Whiley for years, she comes across as smug smug smug. Yuk. Always liked the Simon Mayo show but this will put me way off.

Sara Cox on the other hand

Same here. I cannot really put my finger on why I don't get on with listening to her... But there is just something about her. Smug yes, but there is more. It's always hairy fairy emotions and feelings an it sounds a bit highbrow, but only really a thin veneer. Odd inflection as well... It just grates.

It's just irrational. I'm sure she's a lovely person. But on the radio, I just can't do it.

Nothing irrational about it she's a massively smug sycophant. Manic Street Preachers could put out a CD made up entirely of samples of Bradfield's explosive diarrhoea and she'd instantly declare it the best thing since sliced bread. I find her lisping intonation almost impossible to listen to without grinding my teeth. Drivetime utterly ruined.

[Ahonen]

MC Bodge said:

6 should definitely be on FM.

It should definitely have been on FM when it was launched, but there's no point now as everyone has DAB radios.

[98elise]

poing said:

SCEtoAUX said:

The fact is, blokes make better radio presenters than women do. Peel, Walker, Everett, Bruce, Radcliffe, Edmonds, Powell, Travis (yes really), Davis, Jensen, Blackburn.... the list goes on. I honestly cannot think of a single female presenter who I would make a point of listening to.

Bit of a general statement but lets look at some options. Steve Wright or a random Russian woman found on the street who doesn't speak English? We'd all prefer the Russian. To be fair we'd all prefer white noise...

I always preferred the R2 breakfast show when Sara Cox sat in for Chris Evans.

There are at least as many terrible male presenters as female it's just the female ones haven't traditionally been given the big jobs. Victoria Coren Mitchell is a very good presenter, although I fancy her and would listen to her read the instructions for an Ikea book shelf.

I like Jo Whiley on her own show where it's clear she loves the music. She's just not an ideal prime time presenter. I'd rather have her in place of Steve Wright any day though.

Agreed. It's not a woman/man thing. If she had replaced Steve Wright then the world would be a happier place.

What they did was fk up decent show by forcing 2 presenters to share one spot. It can work if the banter is good, but this is just 2 people doing one person's job.

[Gary29]

How is Steve Wright still in a job then?

I think I've seen ONE person on here defend him amongst the waves of hatred, in the real world, only ONE person in our office doesn't mind him the rest can't stand him.

Is it just too much hassle to try and replace him? Yet the BBC mess with drive time which was the best slot on R2 by far.

Edit: Found this petition, read the comments, probably NSFW if you've got a swear filter though

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no_more_stevew...

Edited by Gary29 on Wednesday 6th June 13:50

Edited by Gary29 on Wednesday 6th June 13:51

[youngsyr]

Moonhawk said:

youngsyr said:

You'd have to be pretty sexist to think that women couldn't be as good presenters as men..........

I didn't say that though did I

Erm, pretty sure you did.

Moonhawk said:

davepoth said:

SCEtoAUX said:

The fact is, blokes make better radio presenters than women do.

Why?

Just one of those things I guess.

[LuS1fer]

Moonhawk said:

I didn't say that though did I

Could an individual woman be as good a presenter as an individual man - sure, I don't see why not.

Are female presenters (on average) as good as male presenters all else being equal. IMO no - hence why I drew the comparison with comedians.

I agree. It has ever been thus. I can't recall wanting to listen to a female DJ for more than 5 minutes.
Annie Nightingale, Janice Long, Sara Cox, Jo Whiley, Zoe Ball, Liza Tarbuck, all got or get switched off. Like female comediennes, they talk about female things but are generally irritating to me.
I don't mind Kim Wilde and I think Feltz should replace Smugface Vine as she is far better even though it's not a high bar.

There are of u, male DJs I don't like - Richard Madeley, Alan Carr etc but in general, I think male DJs have always conveyed more character. Granted some are borderline masculine but that's often good, for example Graham Norton.

[Moonhawk]

youngsyr said:

Erm, pretty sure you did.

Nope - as I explained, I'm talking in general terms.

Are there female radio presenters who are better than male ones - i'm sure there are. But all else being equal, I just find male presenters to be better (just as male comedians are - IMO of course).

I can't think of a single female radio 2 presenter that I actually like to listen to. Vanessa Feltz, Liza Tarbuck, Sara Cox, Jo Wiley, Elaine Paige etc all annoy the hell out of me with their pointless ramblings, fake laugh etc.

Don't get me wrong - i'd happily drop Jeremy Vine in the middle of the Atlantic and would sail away quite happily, but Simon Mayo, Craig Charles, Paul O-Grady, Graham Norton and even Chris Evans (in small doses) are just easier to listen to.

I don't see why it has suddenly become heresy to suggest that there are just some things that one gender or the other are simply better at (on average). We don't quibble when it comes to physical vocations (like sport) - so why is it so hard to accept that differences may also exist in non physical vocations too.

[rambo19]

jeremy vine is bloody awful!

[youngsyr]

Moonhawk said:

youngsyr said:

Erm, pretty sure you did.

Nope - as I explained, I'm talking in general terms.

Are there female radio presenters who are better than male ones - i'm sure there are. But all else being equal, I just find male presenters to be better (just as male comedians are - IMO of course).

I can't think of a single female radio 2 presenter that I actually like to listen to. Vanessa Feltz, Liza Tarbuck, Sara Cox, Jo Wiley, Elaine Paige etc all annoy the hell out of me with their pointless ramblings, fake laugh etc.

Don't get me wrong - i'd happily drop Jeremy Vine in the middle of the Atlantic and would sail away quite happily, but Simon Mayo, Craig Charles, Paul O-Grady, Graham Norton and even Chris Evans (in small doses) are just easier to listen to.

I don't see why it has suddenly become heresy to suggest that there are just some things that one gender or the other are simply better at (on average). We don't quibble when it comes to physical vocations (like sport) - so why is it so hard to accept that differences may also exist in non physical vocations too.

So, "in general terms", you're sexist?

Frankly, I'm amazed that I have to explain this to you, but men and women are physically different, so we segregate when it comes to activities that match one sex's physical abilities against the other.

What exactly is the non-physical difference between men and women, that you feel we should segregate for?
Apparently the ability to host radio shows is one?!

[S100HP]

It's a pleasure when I turn over and hear Sarah Cox rather than Chris Evans. She should be given that slot.

[Moonhawk]

youngsyr said:

Frankly, I'm amazed that I have to explain this to you,

You don't have to explain st to me. You are projecting your own agenda on what I have said - classic SJW tactics.

youngsyr said:

but men and women are physically different, so we segregate when it comes to activities that match one sex's physical abilities against the other.

Agreed - but men and women are also different mentally and psychologically. Why do you believe this would have no effect in their performance at certain non physical vocations?

youngsyr said:

What exactly is the non-physical difference between men and women, that you feel we should segregate for?
Apparently the ability to host radio shows is one?!

Where have I suggested segregating anything? Putting words in my mouth much (again another SJW tactic)

The current method works just fine - put candidates up against each other regardless of gender and the one who is the best, delivers the highest numbers or who is the most popular - wins.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 6th June 19:29

[Pothole]

LuS1fer said:

There are of u, male DJs I don't like

WHAT????

[skinny]

Personally I don't mind a bit of liza tarbuck, Sara Cox, or Anna Matronic. I'd much rather spend a couple hours in their company than Steve Wright or Jeremy vine