Le Mans ‘66, Ford vs. Ferrari - movie
Discussion
Compression and stretching of timelines is common in films based on true events, another example is 'The Krays' from 1990, watching it you'd think they killed George Cornell and Jack McVitie just hours apart, in reality it was several months.
Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
P5BNij said:
Compression and stretching of timelines is common in films based on true events, another example is 'The Krays' from 1990, watching it you'd think they killed George Cornell and Jack McVitie just hours apart, in reality it was several months.
Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
I believe any cars that moved or were shot on track were Superformance replicas but some of the stationary cars were the real deal.Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
MissChief said:
P5BNij said:
Compression and stretching of timelines is common in films based on true events, another example is 'The Krays' from 1990, watching it you'd think they killed George Cornell and Jack McVitie just hours apart, in reality it was several months.
Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
I believe any cars that moved or were shot on track were Superformance replicas but some of the stationary cars were the real deal.Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
Finally got around to seeing this at my local Everyman cinema yesterday. Both looking forward to it ever since the original Cruise/Pitt film was planned, and yet also dreading it in case it was terrible.
Having numerous books about that whole racing period (luckliy some original prints from the late 60's, too) I had a good idea of the timeline, and I think that can be too distracting sometimes - so you end up almost suspending belief on the understanding that you are watching a movie, not a documentary - like for the film Rush.
Anyway, the film. Yes, there were some obvious errors (James Bond in Iacocca's slide show, Miles being left behind in the US in 1965 (when he did race alongside McLaren), and I thought having Enzo at the track was a plot mistake in that it would have shown better with him sat alone in his office in Modena waiting for the news, as a counterpoint to Henry Ford II being at the race.
Some mentions of Phil Remington and even Roy Lunn (all too briefly, IMHO), but as suspected no mention of Broadley or Wyer (as much the king of the GT40 as Shelby, really).
I thought it was a bloody great film (as did Mrs.T66 - she absolutely loved it). So glad I saw it on the big screen to get the full effect. And I thought Bale and Damon were excellent, actually. 9 Le Mans wins out of 10 - one deducted because of timeline errors that bug me, even though I know it's a film and not a bloody documentary.
Edited to add...
I also liked the fact they got Alex Gurney to play his dad Dan, Jeff Bucknam playing his dad Ronnie, and Alex Hill (Phil Hill's son) was involved.
I thought the 'film treatment' in the muted soft glow was superb in the early Califonia scenes, and the street shots of 60s LA were brilliant. How bloody good does Shelby's black Cobra look and sound!
Edited by MikeT66 on Saturday 23 November 07:55
MikeT66 said:
, and I thought having Enzo at the track was a plot mistake in that it would have shown better with him sat alone in his office in Modena waiting for the news, as a counterpoint to Henry Ford II being at the race.
Some mentions of Phil Remington and even Roy Lunn (all too briefly, IMHO), but as suspected no mention of Broadley or Wyer (as much the king of the GT40 as Shelby, really).
I thought it was a bloody great film (as did Mrs.T66 - she absolutely loved it). So glad I saw it on the big screen to get the full effect. And I thought Bale and Damon were excellent, actually. 9 Le Mans wins out of 10 - one deducted because of timeline errors that bug me, even though I know it's a film and not a bloody documentary.
Agree great film. Thought Enzo rarely went to tracks for races, mainly to Monza for a practice.Some mentions of Phil Remington and even Roy Lunn (all too briefly, IMHO), but as suspected no mention of Broadley or Wyer (as much the king of the GT40 as Shelby, really).
I thought it was a bloody great film (as did Mrs.T66 - she absolutely loved it). So glad I saw it on the big screen to get the full effect. And I thought Bale and Damon were excellent, actually. 9 Le Mans wins out of 10 - one deducted because of timeline errors that bug me, even though I know it's a film and not a bloody documentary.
The scale of the Daytona coupe development seems to have be shipped into the GT40 story with American hotrodders/underdogs & no mention of 15 engine rigs continuously running engines for 10 days running and other Ford expenditure.
There is a Broadley/Lola reference in the film - did anyone else see the Lola T70 model?
MissChief said:
P5BNij said:
Compression and stretching of timelines is common in films based on true events, another example is 'The Krays' from 1990, watching it you'd think they killed George Cornell and Jack McVitie just hours apart, in reality it was several months.
Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
I believe any cars that moved or were shot on track were Superformance replicas but some of the stationary cars were the real deal.Back to LM '66, were any real GT40s used or were they replicas / continuation cars from (say) Superformance…?
Alongside the story on the big screen, there's been a wave of interest in Ken Miles, the man. The following is but a partial sample. Each is only from the last 30 days:
"I liked very much that Ken isn't that sort of manly man image"
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/w...
"He replicated Miles's test, right down to lap speeds and time of day."
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/28057564/ford...
"among the Americans, Ken earned the nicknames Teddy Teabag and Sidebite."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10349767/le-...
"a sarcastic b
d who would race his grandmother to the breakfast table"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/le-mans-66-bri...
"the Flying Shingle, undoubtedly the most exciting special ever to appear in West Coast racing"
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a29790086...
"He really did move to Hollywood and ingratiate himself with Southern California’s hot-rodding racing scene."
https://slate.com/culture/2019/11/ford-v-ferrari-f...
unsprung said:
Alongside the story on the big screen, there's been a wave of interest in Ken Miles, the man. The following is but a partial sample. Each is only from the last 30 days:
"I liked very much that Ken isn't that sort of manly man image"
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/w...
"He replicated Miles's test, right down to lap speeds and time of day."
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/28057564/ford...
"among the Americans, Ken earned the nicknames Teddy Teabag and Sidebite."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10349767/le-...
"a sarcastic bd who would race his grandmother to the breakfast table"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/le-mans-66-bri...
"the Flying Shingle, undoubtedly the most exciting special ever to appear in West Coast racing"
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a29790086...
"He really did move to Hollywood and ingratiate himself with Southern California’s hot-rodding racing scene."
https://slate.com/culture/2019/11/ford-v-ferrari-f...
The Road & Track one is especially good. Thanks for the links."I liked very much that Ken isn't that sort of manly man image"
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/w...
"He replicated Miles's test, right down to lap speeds and time of day."
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/28057564/ford...
"among the Americans, Ken earned the nicknames Teddy Teabag and Sidebite."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10349767/le-...
"a sarcastic b
d who would race his grandmother to the breakfast table"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/le-mans-66-bri...
"the Flying Shingle, undoubtedly the most exciting special ever to appear in West Coast racing"
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a29790086...
"He really did move to Hollywood and ingratiate himself with Southern California’s hot-rodding racing scene."
https://slate.com/culture/2019/11/ford-v-ferrari-f...
MikeT66 said:
and I thought having Enzo at the track was a plot mistake in that it would have shown better with him sat alone in his office in Modena waiting for the news, as a counterpoint to Henry Ford II being at the race.
That made me think a bit of Mr Bridger stuck in prison while his crew did the Italian Job.Alex said:
MissChief said:
The Road & Track one is especially good. Thanks for the links.
It certainly is....the film doesn't reflect this quote:
"He enjoyed instrumentation and the knowledge to be gained from it—but mostly, I think, he enjoyed the instruments themselves. Talking about the elaborate instrumentation used in developing the Ford GTs, his eyes would shine."
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