Captain Marvel - March 2019
Discussion
I found it surprisingly rewatchable given that I was a little meh about it first time out. Due to the joys of Limitless and absolutely nothing else released at my multiplex this week I might even go again one evening before Us comes out next weekend.
My wife loved it and for her it was firmly in Homecoming/Ragnarok territory rather than Dr Strange or dare I say GotG2.
Interestingly given the massive opening it held remarkably strong numbers for the second weekend, $760m after 12 days.
My wife loved it and for her it was firmly in Homecoming/Ragnarok territory rather than Dr Strange or dare I say GotG2.
Interestingly given the massive opening it held remarkably strong numbers for the second weekend, $760m after 12 days.
ashleyman said:
I saw it last week (only just seen the thread) and thought it was a fantastic origin movie up until the point where she managed to break free from the AI and that thing on her neck came off and she was unbeatable. It makes me think the thing on her neck was he AI holding her power and memories back so they could use her and perhaps maybe that makes her vulnerable to Thanos or someone else later on in her story..
Yeah, that was the aim of the Kree government/AI, to keep her in the dark and keep their Kree superweapon, they do sorta have a point as it was Kree blood/tech that saved her life.Destroying the ship, I don't think that's something that is beyond THor now...if he wanted to, or Hulk if it was his aim,he almost did that to the Helicarrier in Avengers Assemble (watched it on Sat.
), and wasn't even trying. The issue (as Grace pointed out) is not to overshadow the basic humansI think after spending most of the film shackled by the AI and struggling, they wanted to give her a big hero moment to show her fully unleashed but perhaps they took it a tad too far.
I'd put her on a par with Thor now and he has always fitted in to the team dynamic well enough. As others have said, Thanos is still hugely powerful, he took on most of the Avengers team and won after all and I suspect they will also find some way to depower her and Thor at least partially.
I'd put her on a par with Thor now and he has always fitted in to the team dynamic well enough. As others have said, Thanos is still hugely powerful, he took on most of the Avengers team and won after all and I suspect they will also find some way to depower her and Thor at least partially.
I'm putting my whole post in a spoiler because I don't want to ruin it!
The point I was trying to make was with the other characters in their origin movies or initial introduction in the 'final battles' there was some struggle.
I think the movie was fine whilst she was restricted - her fights with the Skrull felt very real and fair. Her training with Yon Rogg looked good.
Even her battle with the AI / Supreme Intelligence was somewhat challenging, but as soon as she was free and unrestricted the rest of the 'battles' just felt like a joke. Whilst she was in the spaceship fighting the Kree whilst the Skrull's escaped it was almost comedic at times. It didn't matter as it was too easy. I mean we were sat in the cinema and people were laughing at a 'final battle' scene which I can't recall has ever happened in a Marvel film before.
The bit at the very end with Yon Rogg where he goes to fight her, she pretty much just flicks him across the desert into a rock wall. No challenge, no fight. I get that she's supposed to be powerful but I'm watching this CM movie with the impression that she's just a female Thanos consistently running rings around her opponents.
I would have put her main battle as the fight with the AI / Supreme Intelligence. Which is usually where most Marvel films end - just after the main battle as things settle back down to normality before the next threat. Yet in CM, she has her battle with the AI, then goes on a bit of a clean up / show off flight and in the space of 5 minutes she went from a vulnerable human / kree woman to an invincible super power destroying spaceships.
Thor's original movie was in 2011, since then Thor has appeared in The Avengers (2012), Thor: The Dark World (2013), Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Doctor Strange (2016), Thor: Ragnarok (2017) and it was here where he finally went god mode. We see him again at full power in Avengers: Infinity War (2018).
So that's 7 movies over 7 years for him to reach full potential, and Captain Marvel has done it in 1 single movie. Perhaps that's to signify how powerful she is supposed to actually be, but they could have at least made it feel like a challenge for the audience!
I thought it was a good film, it will just be interesting to see where she fits in in terms of who's more powerful than whom.
The point I was trying to make was with the other characters in their origin movies or initial introduction in the 'final battles' there was some struggle.
I think the movie was fine whilst she was restricted - her fights with the Skrull felt very real and fair. Her training with Yon Rogg looked good.
Even her battle with the AI / Supreme Intelligence was somewhat challenging, but as soon as she was free and unrestricted the rest of the 'battles' just felt like a joke. Whilst she was in the spaceship fighting the Kree whilst the Skrull's escaped it was almost comedic at times. It didn't matter as it was too easy. I mean we were sat in the cinema and people were laughing at a 'final battle' scene which I can't recall has ever happened in a Marvel film before.
The bit at the very end with Yon Rogg where he goes to fight her, she pretty much just flicks him across the desert into a rock wall. No challenge, no fight. I get that she's supposed to be powerful but I'm watching this CM movie with the impression that she's just a female Thanos consistently running rings around her opponents.
I would have put her main battle as the fight with the AI / Supreme Intelligence. Which is usually where most Marvel films end - just after the main battle as things settle back down to normality before the next threat. Yet in CM, she has her battle with the AI, then goes on a bit of a clean up / show off flight and in the space of 5 minutes she went from a vulnerable human / kree woman to an invincible super power destroying spaceships.
Thor's original movie was in 2011, since then Thor has appeared in The Avengers (2012), Thor: The Dark World (2013), Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Doctor Strange (2016), Thor: Ragnarok (2017) and it was here where he finally went god mode. We see him again at full power in Avengers: Infinity War (2018).
So that's 7 movies over 7 years for him to reach full potential, and Captain Marvel has done it in 1 single movie. Perhaps that's to signify how powerful she is supposed to actually be, but they could have at least made it feel like a challenge for the audience!
I thought it was a good film, it will just be interesting to see where she fits in in terms of who's more powerful than whom.
Edited by ashleyman on Monday 18th March 15:26
ashleyman said:
I'm putting my whole post in a spoiler because I don't want to ruin it!
The point I was trying to make was with the other characters in their origin movies or initial introduction in the 'final battles' there was some struggle.
I think the movie was fine whilst she was restricted - her fights with the Skrull felt very real and fair. Her training with Yon Rogg looked good.
Even her battle with the AI / Supreme Intelligence was somewhat challenging, but as soon as she was free and unrestricted the rest of the 'battles' just felt like a joke. Whilst she was in the spaceship fighting the Kree whilst the Skrull's escaped it was almost comedic at times. It didn't matter as it was too easy. I mean we were sat in the cinema and people were laughing at a 'final battle' scene which I can't recall has ever happened in a Marvel film before.
The bit at the very end with Yon Rogg where he goes to fight her, she pretty much just flicks him across the desert into a rock wall. No challenge, no fight. I get that she's supposed to be powerful but I'm watching this CM movie with the impression that she's just a female Thanos consistently running rings around her opponents.
I would have put her main battle as the fight with the AI / Supreme Intelligence. Which is usually where most Marvel films end - just after the main battle as things settle back down to normality before the next threat. Yet in CM, she has her battle with the AI, then goes on a bit of a clean up / show off flight and in the space of 5 minutes she went from a vulnerable human / kree woman to an invincible super power destroying spaceships.
Thor's original movie was in 2011, since then Thor has appeared in The Avengers (2012), Thor: The Dark World (2013), Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Doctor Strange (2016), Thor: Ragnarok (2017) and it was here where he finally went god mode. We see him again at full power in Avengers: Infinity War (2018).
So that's 7 movies over 7 years for him to reach full potential, and Captain Marvel has done it in 1 single movie. Perhaps that's to signify how powerful she is supposed to actually be, but they could have at least made it feel like a challenge for the audience!
I thought it was a good film, it will just be interesting to see where she fits in in terms of who's more powerful than whom.
Some good thoughts, but her being superdoopahfied was the whole point, the inhibitor chip etc. Feig's comments, and he hasn't put a foot wrong...yet...It was different because she showed Ronan/big bad what she could do, and the big bad actually backed down! Different. Of course ff a few years and Ronan with the stone...forget which one he had actually...power? It would be a very different story.The point I was trying to make was with the other characters in their origin movies or initial introduction in the 'final battles' there was some struggle.
I think the movie was fine whilst she was restricted - her fights with the Skrull felt very real and fair. Her training with Yon Rogg looked good.
Even her battle with the AI / Supreme Intelligence was somewhat challenging, but as soon as she was free and unrestricted the rest of the 'battles' just felt like a joke. Whilst she was in the spaceship fighting the Kree whilst the Skrull's escaped it was almost comedic at times. It didn't matter as it was too easy. I mean we were sat in the cinema and people were laughing at a 'final battle' scene which I can't recall has ever happened in a Marvel film before.
The bit at the very end with Yon Rogg where he goes to fight her, she pretty much just flicks him across the desert into a rock wall. No challenge, no fight. I get that she's supposed to be powerful but I'm watching this CM movie with the impression that she's just a female Thanos consistently running rings around her opponents.
I would have put her main battle as the fight with the AI / Supreme Intelligence. Which is usually where most Marvel films end - just after the main battle as things settle back down to normality before the next threat. Yet in CM, she has her battle with the AI, then goes on a bit of a clean up / show off flight and in the space of 5 minutes she went from a vulnerable human / kree woman to an invincible super power destroying spaceships.
Thor's original movie was in 2011, since then Thor has appeared in The Avengers (2012), Thor: The Dark World (2013), Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Doctor Strange (2016), Thor: Ragnarok (2017) and it was here where he finally went god mode. We see him again at full power in Avengers: Infinity War (2018).
So that's 7 movies over 7 years for him to reach full potential, and Captain Marvel has done it in 1 single movie. Perhaps that's to signify how powerful she is supposed to actually be, but they could have at least made it feel like a challenge for the audience!
I thought it was a good film, it will just be interesting to see where she fits in in terms of who's more powerful than whom.
Edited by ashleyman on Monday 18th March 15:26
Janluke said:
I'm predicting at some point she will pick up Thor's hammer
Bet you a fiver she doesn't. 
MCU have been fairly careful to protect that.
Guvernator said:
Steve Rogers moved it although only Thor noticed, I suspect if anyone picks it up, it will be him.
The only other problem of course is that Mjolnir was destroyed so does Stormbreaker have the same "only those worthy" enchantment?
I don't remember Steve Rogers/Captain America moving Mjolnir, only Ultron has moved it up/held it.The only other problem of course is that Mjolnir was destroyed so does Stormbreaker have the same "only those worthy" enchantment?
And Hela stop and destroyed Mjolnir.
Before Captain Marvel becomes an Avenger, in Thor Ranorok there was a scene that needed a palm and voice identification to start the Quinjet, it did not recognise Thor as "the strongest Avenger" but Dr Bruce Banner. But in an earlier scene (Thor vs the Hulk) the Hulk is beating Thor's head into the ground, Thor then has a vision of Odin, gets electrified and uppercuts the Hulk, before he can finish the Hulk off the Grandmaster turns on the pacify switch rendering Thor unconscious.
Captain Marvel has shown she can destroy spaceships and defeat anybody from Kree, but we will not find out who is the strongest/most powerful Avenger in the MCU until Avengers - Endgame.
Ridealong said:
Guvernator said:
Steve Rogers moved it although only Thor noticed, I suspect if anyone picks it up, it will be him.
The only other problem of course is that Mjolnir was destroyed so does Stormbreaker have the same "only those worthy" enchantment?
I don't remember Steve Rogers/Captain America moving Mjolnir, only Ultron has moved it up/held it.The only other problem of course is that Mjolnir was destroyed so does Stormbreaker have the same "only those worthy" enchantment?
Ridealong said:
I don't remember Steve Rogers/Captain America moving Mjolnir, only Ultron has moved it up/held it.
And Hela stop and destroyed Mjolnir.
Before Captain Marvel becomes an Avenger, in Thor Ranorok there was a scene that needed a palm and voice identification to start the Quinjet, it did not recognise Thor as "the strongest Avenger" but Dr Bruce Banner. But in an earlier scene (Thor vs the Hulk) the Hulk is beating Thor's head into the ground, Thor then has a vision of Odin, gets electrified and uppercuts the Hulk, before he can finish the Hulk off the Grandmaster turns on the pacify switch rendering Thor unconscious.
Captain Marvel has shown she can destroy spaceships and defeat anybody from Kree, but we will not find out who is the strongest/most powerful Avenger in the MCU until Avengers - Endgame.
Vision casually picked it up and handed it to Thor.And Hela stop and destroyed Mjolnir.
Before Captain Marvel becomes an Avenger, in Thor Ranorok there was a scene that needed a palm and voice identification to start the Quinjet, it did not recognise Thor as "the strongest Avenger" but Dr Bruce Banner. But in an earlier scene (Thor vs the Hulk) the Hulk is beating Thor's head into the ground, Thor then has a vision of Odin, gets electrified and uppercuts the Hulk, before he can finish the Hulk off the Grandmaster turns on the pacify switch rendering Thor unconscious.
Captain Marvel has shown she can destroy spaceships and defeat anybody from Kree, but we will not find out who is the strongest/most powerful Avenger in the MCU until Avengers - Endgame.
You can see in the clip above Cap moves it almost imperceptibly. You can tell by the look on Thor's face as he is a little perturbed.
In the comics Captain America is one of the few people who has picked up the hammer, not surprising really as he is whiter than white and it's your morale compass that determines whether you are worthy to wield it, not your strength.
I suspect we may see him pick it up and use it in Endgame, its something I'd love to see as it would be great fan service and a great little round off of that whole little hammer sub plot.
In the comics Captain America is one of the few people who has picked up the hammer, not surprising really as he is whiter than white and it's your morale compass that determines whether you are worthy to wield it, not your strength.
I suspect we may see him pick it up and use it in Endgame, its something I'd love to see as it would be great fan service and a great little round off of that whole little hammer sub plot.
Guvernator said:
You can see in the clip above Cap moves it almost imperceptibly. You can tell by the look on Thor's face as he is a little perturbed.
In the comics Captain America is one of the few people who has picked up the hammer, not surprising really as he is whiter than white and it's your morale compass that determines whether you are worthy to wield it, not your strength.
I suspect we may see him pick it up and use it in Endgame, its something I'd love to see as it would be great fan service and a great little round off of that whole little hammer sub plot.
It's a nice idea, but the hammer was destroyed in the last Thor film.In the comics Captain America is one of the few people who has picked up the hammer, not surprising really as he is whiter than white and it's your morale compass that determines whether you are worthy to wield it, not your strength.
I suspect we may see him pick it up and use it in Endgame, its something I'd love to see as it would be great fan service and a great little round off of that whole little hammer sub plot.
I enjoyed it.
It took a different direction than I had expected, but wasn't worse for it.
However, as a standalone movie, I am not sure it would work. Now that we know every film is connected to every other, we have to take it all in context. A lot of the film hinges on the fact that it of course expects the viewer to know and catch many of the nuances. Such as the dynamic between Fury and Coulson. And the in-your-face link to the post-credit scene from Infinity War
My only actual belief of any inconsistency was this -
In one scene where she goes to meet Supreme Intelligence, they have Nirvana - Come As You Are playing. How would she know this song, released in 1991, if she had been away between 1989 until 1995?
It took a different direction than I had expected, but wasn't worse for it.
However, as a standalone movie, I am not sure it would work. Now that we know every film is connected to every other, we have to take it all in context. A lot of the film hinges on the fact that it of course expects the viewer to know and catch many of the nuances. Such as the dynamic between Fury and Coulson. And the in-your-face link to the post-credit scene from Infinity War
My only actual belief of any inconsistency was this -
In one scene where she goes to meet Supreme Intelligence, they have Nirvana - Come As You Are playing. How would she know this song, released in 1991, if she had been away between 1989 until 1995?
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