Captain Marvel - March 2019

[Watchman]

Guvernator said:

Hmm perhaps I'm thinking of someone else then as I seem to remember another Superman like character in the Marvel universe so just assumed it was a male Captain Marvel.

Not that it makes any odds, I just don't want Marvel ruined with unnecessary SJW agendas like Star Wars has been.

Could that actually have been DC's Captain Marvel, otherwise known as Shazam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_C...

[Coolbanana]

I'm looking forward to it. Will see it with my daughter next year, she's hyped that the most powerful MCU Avenger to date on the big screen is going to be a woman; as confirmed by the MCU President Kevin Feige.

Hulk is physically the strongest but he has no other abilities. Thor edges him thanks to his hammer and lightning he can call upon to deal damage. Captain Marvell will exceed all the other Avenger's in terms of abilities and power combined, if I understand Feige correctly.

[Halb]

I hope that's how it figures, Hulk is pretty powered down in the mcu. THe problem with someone like Marvel/Superman is it gets boring. I watched a funny video on the justice league recently (not seen the film) and it was genuinely funny how it was described that the justice league are mostly st and need SUperman to make the team work.

Watchman said:

Could that actually have been DC's Captain Marvel, otherwise known as Shazam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_C...

THat looks like a really fun film, WB/DC may have a film I'd be willin to spend my money to see

[Guvernator]

Watchman said:

Could that actually have been DC's Captain Marvel, otherwise known as Shazam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_C...

Yes I think that was the one I was thinking of. Confusing, Captain Marvel is actually a DC character too!

[Halb]

Guvernator said:

Watchman said:

Could that actually have been DC's Captain Marvel, otherwise known as Shazam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_C...

Yes I think that was the one I was thinking of. Confusing, Captain Marvel is actually a DC character too!

I'd forgotten about him, I'd forgotten his old name was Marvel. I've got a pretty good graphic novel where he shreds superman to a burnt skeleton.

[Guvernator]

Halb said:

I hope that's how it figures, Hulk is pretty powered down in the mcu. THe problem with someone like Marvel/Superman is it gets boring. I watched a funny video on the justice league recently (not seen the film) and it was genuinely funny how it was described that the justice league are mostly st and need SUperman to make the team work.

Most of the MCU characters are powered down tbh except for Captain America who is a lot stronger in the MCU. I have no problem with Super powered characters if they are given an equivalent villain to go up against. I also enjoyed the fact that Superman basically kicked the rest of the Justice Leagues arse in that movie quite handily and smashed Steppenwulf too so yes he is JL's top dog by a mile.

Thanos has been shown to be more than a match for the Avengers but even he has been powered down in the MCU. I am looking forward to seeing CM to see what she can do against him. I'm also hoping Hulk gets his mojo back asap. While the Hulk getting his arse kicked story line was interesting I did find it odd that he got so easily beaten by Thanos when Thor is able to hold his own, considering Hulk is "The Strongest Avenger" according to Tony Stark.

[Halb]

Guvernator said:

Most of the MCU characters are powered down tbh except for Captain America who is a lot stronger in the MCU. I have no problem with Super powered characters if they are given an equivalent villain to go up against. I also enjoyed the fact that Superman basically kicked the rest of the Justice Leagues arse in that movie quite handily and smashed Steppenwulf too so yes he is JL's top dog by a mile.

Thanos has been shown to be more than a match for the Avengers but even he has been powered down in the MCU. I am looking forward to seeing CM to see what she can do against him. I'm also hoping Hulk gets his mojo back asap. While the Hulk getting his arse kicked story line was interesting I did find it odd that he got so easily beaten by Thanos when Thor is able to hold his own, considering Hulk is "The Strongest Avenger" according to Tony Stark.

THat was a good call byFeige, makes them more human. In one of those plinkett quotes (you may not notice it, but your brain did), I feel disengaged from SUperman, he's perfect.

I guess the power stone covers the hulk fight. THor is interesting, something has been going on since mjonir was destroyed and Odin 'died.' He's obviously levelled up but mcu haven't explained why yet, if they ever do...I have a feeling/hope it's involved in the New Asgard

[Vocal Minority]

Halb said:

THat was a good call byFeige, makes them more human. In one of those plinkett quotes (you may not notice it, but your brain did), I feel disengaged from SUperman, he's perfect.

I guess the power stone covers the hulk fight. THor is interesting, something has been going on since mjonir was destroyed and Odin 'died.' He's obviously levelled up but mcu haven't explained why yet, if they ever do...I have a feeling/hope it's involved in the New Asgard

This is a totally speculative guess - could it be the Thor has always been ‘levelled up’ as you put it - but has held himself back through

A). Channelling everything through the hammer and being limited by caution and dependence on the hammer - B). he also has control over the lightning - but did his confidence not take a massive Knock on that in Ultron - as the vision popped on his head but scarlett witch basically had him losing control of it

In ragnorok, we see him do three things - 1) mourn the hammer, and be forced to make his way without it, 2). Be given no choice but to harness his real power (such as lightning etc) 3) almost be liberated from his fear by knowing he causes ragnorak and was meant to

It’s almost like a coming of age film

(There’s a chance this theory got away from me)

[Halb]

Vocal Minority said:

It’s almost like a coming of age film

(There’s a chance this theory got away from me)

Asgardian Graffiti
The Valhalla Club
Stand by Me Hammer
Rainbow Bridge Kingdom
The Perks of Being a THunder God
The Kings of Vanaheim
Godhood
My Mjölnir
Asgardian Pie
Struck by Lightning

[Moonhawk]

Coolbanana said:

I'm looking forward to it. Will see it with my daughter next year, she's hyped that the most powerful MCU Avenger to date on the big screen is going to be a woman; as confirmed by the MCU President Kevin Feige.

That's fine - as long as they don't try and ram it down the throats of the viewer and make an agenda out of it (which they have kinda already started doing with the announcements, and trailer to a lesser degree).

None of the characters to date have been labelled as "most powerful evaaaaaa......." (aside from the in-joke banter between Thor and Hulk).

Why not just let her do her thing on screen and let her power come across in her actions. Why state categorically, 6 months ahead of the movie release that she will be the 'most powerful'.

I think what has made the MCU good so far is that 'power' is subjective. The Avengers work as a team because they all bring different strengths and weaknesses to the table. As a result, they work.............as a team. Same with the Guradians of the Galaxy.

To have one character come in and be labelled 'most powerful' (be it a man or a woman) just doesn't sit right with the way the MCU has been crafted so far.

Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 20th September 09:01

[Guvernator]

As with the comics, the characters seem to get powered up or down depending on what the plot dictates. Thor had his "enlightenment" in Ranganorok, he got massively powered up and yet it still wasn't enough to take down Hella.

Thor gets beaten at the beginning of IW and then at the end he is almost able to kill Thanos who is much stronger than Hella.

Hulk and Thor are pretty even and yet Thanos easily beats Hulk.

Vision is supposed to be top tier but has so far been very disappointing just to add drama with the Scarlet Witch dynamic. It just all depends on where they want the story to go as to who is stronger at any given time.

Hulk is also one of my favourites characters so I am disappointed that despite being top tier, hasn't really shown his full strength and is mostly relegated to a side show. He is also supposed to get stronger as he gets angrier, again something which we haven't really seen yet.

[Moonhawk]

Guvernator said:

It just all depends on where they want the story to go as to who is stronger at any given time.

Which is fair enough - but when you tout a character as being the 'most powerful', don't you kinda back yourself into a writing corner?

Have they set the expectation that Captain Marvel is too powerful to fail..........

Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 20th September 11:36

[Guvernator]

Moonhawk said:

Guvernator said:

It just all depends on where they want the story to go as to who is stronger at any given time.

Which is fair enough - but when you tout a character as being the 'most powerful', don't you kinda back yourself into a writing corner?

Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 20th September 11:12

It's probably just part of the build up to IW2. IW ended on a bit of a bummer and most of the general public won't know that it will in all likely-hood be reversed. People were literally stunned into silence or saying WTF in my cinema viewing so I guess they are trying to get people hyped up that not all is lost and Thanos can still be beaten.

[Moonhawk]

Guvernator said:

It's probably just part of the build up to IW2. IW ended on a bit of a bummer and most of the general public won't know that it will in all likely-hood be reversed. People were literally stunned into silence or saying WTF in my cinema viewing so I guess they are trying to get people hyped up that not all is lost and Thanos can still be beaten.

Let's hope it's that - and not a manifestation of Disney's SJW agenda that poisoned Star Wars.

Brie Larson's tweets don't give me confidence however.......

[Guvernator]

Moonhawk said:

Let's hope it's that - and not a manifestation of Disney's SJW agenda that poisoned Star Wars.

Brie Larson's tweets don't give me confidence however.......

Really? What has she said?

[Halb]

Guvernator said:

Thor gets beaten at the beginning of IW and then at the end he is almost able to kill Thanos who is much stronger than Hella.

Hulk and Thor are pretty even and yet Thanos easily beats Hulk.

Vision is supposed to be top tier but has so far been very disappointing just to add drama with the Scarlet Witch dynamic. It just all depends on where they want the story to go as to who is stronger at any given time.

Hulk is also one of my favourites characters so I am disappointed that despite being top tier, hasn't really shown his full strength and is mostly relegated to a side show. He is also supposed to get stronger as he gets angrier, again something which we haven't really seen yet.

He did have an axe forged in the heart of a star!
The Hela thing irritated me, just too powerful, a bit silly.
Vision is an unusual one, I never really knew what his powers were in the comics, he's one of those esoteric ones that gets fiddled with too much. But since he has the personality of a commodore 64, I don't mind if he gets deleted in IW2 permanently.
I actually wouldn't mind a lot of them being erased...but not my faves.

[Moonhawk]

Guvernator said:

Really? What has she said?

She jumped on the '40 year old white dude' bashing bandwagon that seems to be oh so popular at the moment.

"I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color."

This despite the fact that the movie is based on a book that was first publicised in 1962. It could well have been a favourite childhood book of many of those "40 year old white dudes"......so why does their opinion on a film adaptation of it not matter?

[Moonhawk]

Halb said:

He did have an axe forged in the heart of a star!

Whilst that is true, one thing that did irk me was the fact that they spent most of Ragnorok drumming home the plot-line that Thor's power came from within him - not from the hammer.

Odin "Are you Thor, the god of hammers?"

They then undo all of that a matter of days later, implying that only using the Stormbreaker can Thor defeat Thanos.

[Halb]

Moonhawk said:

Whilst that is true, one thing that did irk me was the fact that they spent most of Ragnorok drumming home the plot-line that Thor's power came from within him - not from the hammer.

Odin "Are you Thor, the god of hammers?"

They then undo all of that a matter of days later, implying that only using the Stormbreaker can Thor defeat Thanos.

It made me wonder if it was similar to the situation with Sauron and the rings of power, Sauron imbued his ring with a considerable amount of his power to bind the others to it...did Thor subconsciously do it? With the MCU answer these questions that they've not told us but shown us about?...

[Guvernator]

Moonhawk said:

Whilst that is true, one thing that did irk me was the fact that they spent most of Ragnorok drumming home the plot-line that Thor's power came from within him - not from the hammer.

Odin "Are you Thor, the god of hammers?"

They then undo all of that a matter of days later, implying that only using the Stormbreaker can Thor defeat Thanos.

Yep this, establish that Thor's Hammer was a crutch which he didn't really need at all and then immediately make him need another one.

I think the whole Hella destroying Mjolnir thing wasn't actually that great either. Mjolnir is a huge part of the Thor character, I understand they probably thought it was a "cool moment" to show just how powerful she was but it jarred a bit for me. Also agree that she was way too OP.