Captain Marvel - March 2019
Discussion
Guvernator said:
I think the film will be good although all the crap surrounding it has put a bit of dampener on my enthusiasm somewhat. Why not make the best film you can with a strong female lead and just let it speak for itself? Once the film is out, if it's any good it will do the job of promoting women just fine on it's own and a few subtle soundbites can then be added to enforce the message.
Why it's felt all this pre-emptive SJW rubbish is needed is beyond me. When will Disney\Hollywood learn to shut up and stop trying to force feed us this crap?
Unbelievable as it is, there are already rumours that Brie might have squished her own career with her big yap. A lil like Cavill.Why it's felt all this pre-emptive SJW rubbish is needed is beyond me. When will Disney\Hollywood learn to shut up and stop trying to force feed us this crap?
Halb said:
Unbelievable as it is, there are already rumours that Brie might have squished her own career with her big yap. A lil like Cavill.
Ooohh what happened to Cavill?Also being famous and having access to a platform where loads of people follow and listen to what you say is a privilege which shouldn't be abused, lots of famous people seem to forget that.
Guvernator said:
Ooohh what happened to Cavill?
Also being famous and having access to a platform where loads of people follow and listen to what you say is a privilege which shouldn't be abused, lots of famous people seem to forget that.
Carrying out contract negotiations/subtle threats on social media to increase his bank balance, welded onto him accepting a netflix series which he'll be tied to for...six months? Which takes him out of the DC loop. The odds are going into the direction there'll be a new supes come next year. A cameo in Shazam would have nixed that...but it appears at the moment, the supes in Shazam is a body double...as is Black Adam, meant to be the Rock who has the same agent as Cavill. Also being famous and having access to a platform where loads of people follow and listen to what you say is a privilege which shouldn't be abused, lots of famous people seem to forget that.
All of this is mixed into WW1984 being pushed back to next year with possibly a whole new reboot with the JLA.
Decided to look this up as the actual content often gets lost in the noise of the controversy...
“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr. Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you [a disabled journalist], the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
Shocking. There are a large number of individuals (yes, white males) who must have deeply shallow and unfulfilling lives if this really bothers them to the point that they are co-ordinating campaigns, producing YT videos and review bombing. It's Gamergate level stuff.
“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr. Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you [a disabled journalist], the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
Shocking. There are a large number of individuals (yes, white males) who must have deeply shallow and unfulfilling lives if this really bothers them to the point that they are co-ordinating campaigns, producing YT videos and review bombing. It's Gamergate level stuff.
Edited by ukaskew on Friday 8th March 08:11
ukaskew said:
Decided to look this up as the actual content often gets lost in the noise of the controversy...
“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr. Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you [a disabled journalist], the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
Shocking. There are a large number of individuals (yes, white males) who must have deeply shallow and unfulfilling lives if this really bothers them to the point that they are co-ordinating campaigns, producing YT videos and review bombing. It's Gamergate level stuff.
I don't give a cr*p about that, actors often virtue signal to sell movies. “About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr. Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you [a disabled journalist], the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
Shocking. There are a large number of individuals (yes, white males) who must have deeply shallow and unfulfilling lives if this really bothers them to the point that they are co-ordinating campaigns, producing YT videos and review bombing. It's Gamergate level stuff.
What I care about is whether they have put SJW nonsense in the movie or not. The indications from the trailer and early audience reviews are not good in that regard. One of the most helpful reviews on IMDB states that she has no character development, and no vulnerability, which is a trait of SJW female leads.
JagLover said:
One of the most helpful reviews on IMDB states that she has no character development, and no vulnerability
You could copy and paste that across to many superhero movies, male, female or alien, particularly when you get to the ultra-powerful god-like ones rather than the likes of Ant-Man etc. It doesn't even matter that much any more, we've been conditioned to accept these as a small part of a much bigger story. I would guess that, regardless of which movie came out in this slot, most/many would be going to see it as part of the MCU as a whole, particularly as it's teeing up End Game.We're not talking about high art here, we've ended up in this weird place where kid/young adult popcorn movies have become the de-facto mainstream adult movies of our time. Compare the top 10 grossing movies from any year in the 70s/80s with now, can you imagine anything remotely like Rain Man, Terms of Endearment, Kramer vs Kramer etc troubling the top these days? Not a chance. Once upon a time something like Widows would have probably been top 5 at the end of the year, it came in at 71 last year.
In any case, we were talking specifically about the actors comments, which is where this campaign and nonsense about Brie never working again, the movie losing $100m etc came about...long before any (genuine) reviews surfaced.
JagLover said:
ukaskew said:
Decided to look this up as the actual content often gets lost in the noise of the controversy...
“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr. Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you [a disabled journalist], the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
Shocking. There are a large number of individuals (yes, white males) who must have deeply shallow and unfulfilling lives if this really bothers them to the point that they are co-ordinating campaigns, producing YT videos and review bombing. It's Gamergate level stuff.
I don't give a cr*p about that, actors often virtue signal to sell movies. “About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr. Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you [a disabled journalist], the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
Shocking. There are a large number of individuals (yes, white males) who must have deeply shallow and unfulfilling lives if this really bothers them to the point that they are co-ordinating campaigns, producing YT videos and review bombing. It's Gamergate level stuff.
What I care about is whether they have put SJW nonsense in the movie or not. The indications from the trailer and early audience reviews are not good in that regard. One of the most helpful reviews on IMDB states that she has no character development, and no vulnerability, which is a trait of SJW female leads.
https://cosmicbook.news/captain-marvel-feminist-hu...
Then goes on to say how amazing Brie's character is. However, the reviews seem to hint that her character is rather flat and not as good and complex as the director portrays.
This film has been marketed by those with an interest as a film about the main character being female. The strongest character in the whole MCU (why didn't they just call her Ren
). The actual story seems to have been put to one side to concentrate solely on the fact this is a female led story.ukaskew said:
JagLover said:
One of the most helpful reviews on IMDB states that she has no character development, and no vulnerability
You could copy and paste that across to many superhero movies, male, female or alien, particularly when you get to the ultra-powerful god-like ones rather than the likes of Ant-Man etc. It doesn't even matter that much any more, we've been conditioned to accept these as a small part of a much bigger story. I would guess that, regardless of which movie came out in this slot, most/many would be going to see it as part of the MCU as a whole, particularly as it's teeing up End Game.We're not talking about high art here, we've ended up in this weird place where kid/young adult popcorn movies have become the de-facto mainstream adult movies of our time. Compare the top 10 grossing movies from any year in the 70s/80s with now, can you imagine anything remotely like Rain Man, Terms of Endearment, Kramer vs Kramer etc troubling the top these days? Not a chance. Once upon a time something like Widows would have probably been top 5 at the end of the year, it came in at 71 last year.
In any case, we were talking specifically about the actors comments, which is where this campaign and nonsense about Brie never working again, the movie losing $100m etc came about...long before any (genuine) reviews surfaced.
That is not to say however that we cannot get character development, and a reasonable good plot, as the better ones do manage this.
This movie was made so that Marvel could have a movie with a "powerful" female that is all. Comic book girl off YouTube states that she has always been c list in the comics, but Marvel needed someone "powerful" (a standalone Black widow movie wouldn't have accomplished that). Politics have therefore been baked into this from the very beginning and there is rather more to it than Brie's clumsy remarks. These may have deliberate in any case to double down on the SJW politics, as with the Ghostbusters remake.
t Marvel films pile so make of that what you will.Just in from it, 'it was fine' would be a pretty good assessment from me. Nowhere near the strongest standalone MCU movie but not terrible by any means. Make sure you arrive for the very start if you're going to see it, the opening is absolutely bloody wonderful.
There are some great moments but also some lengthy flat periods. The time shifting just flat out didn't work for me and despite her obviously very much being a space based character I thought the 90s earth stuff was by far the strongest part of the film.
I did, however, love the end credit scenes. Fascinated to see how she fits in with the Avengers as she's probably way too powerful compared to the majority of characters we're likely to have left after End Game.
There are some great moments but also some lengthy flat periods. The time shifting just flat out didn't work for me and despite her obviously very much being a space based character I thought the 90s earth stuff was by far the strongest part of the film.
I did, however, love the end credit scenes. Fascinated to see how she fits in with the Avengers as she's probably way too powerful compared to the majority of characters we're likely to have left after End Game.
Edited by ukaskew on Saturday 9th March 00:04
I thought it was an enjoyable flick, Brie Larson has got some negative publicity, but I thought she very good for me and thought some of her subtle looks and nods were very effective, however I do think she's over-powered.
The comedic moments were excellent, many laugh out loud moments, Ben Mendelson was superb.
The story is formulaic, so not the best MCU effort, but far from the worst, 6.5/10.
I just watched the Mark Kermode review, think he pretty much nailed it for me.
The comedic moments were excellent, many laugh out loud moments, Ben Mendelson was superb.
The story is formulaic, so not the best MCU effort, but far from the worst, 6.5/10.
I just watched the Mark Kermode review, think he pretty much nailed it for me.
Having had the 'pleasure' of watching the movie I can't help think all these conspiracy theories about review bombing or whatever it's called are to detract from the fact the film is turgid crap. I found myself looking at the walls in the cinema half way through and noticed some of the other patrons were finding their phones more interesting that what was on the screen.
Larson's acting was wooden,the CGI was poor and the plot full of holes. My other half liked the cat but other than that she thought it was pish too.
The other problem with Captain Marvel is that it makes no sense in the context of the wider marvel films. If this is a foretaste of what endgame will be like then I won't be bothering.
Larson's acting was wooden,the CGI was poor and the plot full of holes. My other half liked the cat but other than that she thought it was pish too.
The other problem with Captain Marvel is that it makes no sense in the context of the wider marvel films. If this is a foretaste of what endgame will be like then I won't be bothering.
As a View Askewniverse fan of 20+ years I did almost shed a tear at the fantastic Stan Lee cameo, he's reading the Mallrats script in preparation for his cameo in that film. Kevin Smith went to see the film with his wife last night and it sounds like it was a big surprise to him, I can't imagine what a feeling that would have been for him.
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