The Interrogation of Tony Martin - C4
Discussion
ajprice said:
On C4 next, apparently the 'script' is all taken from police records and interviews, Steve Pemberton plays Tony Martin (the farmer who shot the burglar) and had to pick up on the odd way he spoke and phrased things.
I don't think he did himself any favours by appearing in person at the end of the programme. He walked round the now boarded up Bleak House. Talked about a conversation with a burglar while he was in prison, he pointed at the other man and pretended to shoot him - why did you do that? - said the other man. Just is, was, I think, his reply.According to wikipedia he is living at a secret address, presumably to avoid revenge attacks. I would have thought that reminding everyone of this case and letting people see what he looks, and dresses like now, was not a wise move.
The Mad Monk said:
ajprice said:
On C4 next, apparently the 'script' is all taken from police records and interviews, Steve Pemberton plays Tony Martin (the farmer who shot the burglar) and had to pick up on the odd way he spoke and phrased things.
I don't think he did himself any favours by appearing in person at the end of the programme. He walked round the now boarded up Bleak House. Talked about a conversation with a burglar while he was in prison, he pointed at the other man and pretended to shoot him - why did you do that? - said the other man. Just is, was, I think, his reply.According to wikipedia he is living at a secret address, presumably to avoid revenge attacks. I would have thought that reminding everyone of this case and letting people see what he looks, and dresses like now, was not a wise move.
The Mad Monk said:
ajprice said:
On C4 next, apparently the 'script' is all taken from police records and interviews, Steve Pemberton plays Tony Martin (the farmer who shot the burglar) and had to pick up on the odd way he spoke and phrased things.
I don't think he did himself any favours by appearing in person at the end of the programme. He walked round the now boarded up Bleak House. Talked about a conversation with a burglar while he was in prison, he pointed at the other man and pretended to shoot him - why did you do that? - said the other man. Just is, was, I think, his reply.According to wikipedia he is living at a secret address, presumably to avoid revenge attacks. I would have thought that reminding everyone of this case and letting people see what he looks, and dresses like now, was not a wise move.
The burglars response was ‘just the way it is’. To this tony pretended to shoot the burglar, who asked why he had done that. Tony responded, ‘just the way it is’.
Seeing tony at the end it was clear a mentally unstable man who was terrified of being burgled came across a burglar with horrendous consequences. Although it may not have helped tony keep his anonymity, it gave a lot of context.
Flumpo said:
The Mad Monk said:
ajprice said:
On C4 next, apparently the 'script' is all taken from police records and interviews, Steve Pemberton plays Tony Martin (the farmer who shot the burglar) and had to pick up on the odd way he spoke and phrased things.
I don't think he did himself any favours by appearing in person at the end of the programme. He walked round the now boarded up Bleak House. Talked about a conversation with a burglar while he was in prison, he pointed at the other man and pretended to shoot him - why did you do that? - said the other man. Just is, was, I think, his reply.According to wikipedia he is living at a secret address, presumably to avoid revenge attacks. I would have thought that reminding everyone of this case and letting people see what he looks, and dresses like now, was not a wise move.
The burglars response was ‘just the way it is’. To this tony pretended to shoot the burglar, who asked why he had done that. Tony responded, ‘just the way it is’.
Seeing tony at the end it was clear a mentally unstable man who was terrified of being burgled came across a burglar with horrendous consequences. Although it may not have helped tony keep his anonymity, it gave a lot of context.
PositronicRay said:
I found the end interview chilling.
Indeed, he seemed to have absolutely no remorse, but I actually think tat came across in the Police Interviews too. I remember when it happened and the public out-cry to let him off as he was only defending his property etc. But the show last night, to me anyway, showed why he had to be charged and serve time, from the witness testimony of his neighbour, I got the impression that to shoot the next burglars to break in was his intention all along.Yes, he's clearly a disturbed man, Wiki suggests he has aspergers, plus the abuse he allegedly suffered as a youngster. But I really don't think the show did him any favours to be honest, in particular the final interview with him.
I read up a bit further and the lowness of the scum that broke into his house is pretty damning too. The youngest lad that died at 16 years old already had 29 convictions against him and had only been bailed that very day. The older one tried to sue TM £5k for legal aid and later put a £60k bounty on him!
He does appear mentally unstable,I suspect a lot of the filth that had robbed him previously knew that and so did the scumbags who he decided to disposed of.
They expected no resistance,they were wrong.If he had been left alone we would not have heard of him,the 'authorities' knew what was happening yet did very little to help.
For all of his faults he has still done more for society than those vermin would/have have done.
He was a victim not the others.
They expected no resistance,they were wrong.If he had been left alone we would not have heard of him,the 'authorities' knew what was happening yet did very little to help.
For all of his faults he has still done more for society than those vermin would/have have done.
He was a victim not the others.
He didn't come across great.
However having been on the receiving end of a burglary (we weren't even home) and having seen the effect it had on my wife, he has my utmost sympathy in his actions.
If i'd have managed to lay my hands on whomever broke into our house in the weeks & months after they did it, I don't think i'd have been able to hold back either.
Home invasion / burglary etc have such a big effect on people, I can't imagine how TM felt going to bed every night wondering if another scummer would be round to break in.
However having been on the receiving end of a burglary (we weren't even home) and having seen the effect it had on my wife, he has my utmost sympathy in his actions.
If i'd have managed to lay my hands on whomever broke into our house in the weeks & months after they did it, I don't think i'd have been able to hold back either.
Home invasion / burglary etc have such a big effect on people, I can't imagine how TM felt going to bed every night wondering if another scummer would be round to break in.
AshVX220 said:
PositronicRay said:
I found the end interview chilling.
Indeed, he seemed to have absolutely no remorse, but I actually think tat came across in the Police Interviews too. I remember when it happened and the public out-cry to let him off as he was only defending his property etc. But the show last night, to me anyway, showed why he had to be charged and serve time, from the witness testimony of his neighbour, I got the impression that to shoot the next burglars to break in was his intention all along.Yes, he's clearly a disturbed man, Wiki suggests he has aspergers, plus the abuse he allegedly suffered as a youngster. But I really don't think the show did him any favours to be honest, in particular the final interview with him.
I read up a bit further and the lowness of the scum that broke into his house is pretty damning too. The youngest lad that died at 16 years old already had 29 convictions against him and had only been bailed that very day. The older one tried to sue TM £5k for legal aid and later put a £60k bounty on him!
But it was almost like he was pleased they gave they gave him a reason to shoot them. Driven to it? Probably, defending himself and his property definitely, but his motivation seemed to go deeper than that. It looked like he was enjoying the notoriety in the interview @ the house.
PositronicRay said:
Flumpo said:
The Mad Monk said:
ajprice said:
On C4 next, apparently the 'script' is all taken from police records and interviews, Steve Pemberton plays Tony Martin (the farmer who shot the burglar) and had to pick up on the odd way he spoke and phrased things.
I don't think he did himself any favours by appearing in person at the end of the programme. He walked round the now boarded up Bleak House. Talked about a conversation with a burglar while he was in prison, he pointed at the other man and pretended to shoot him - why did you do that? - said the other man. Just is, was, I think, his reply.According to wikipedia he is living at a secret address, presumably to avoid revenge attacks. I would have thought that reminding everyone of this case and letting people see what he looks, and dresses like now, was not a wise move.
The burglars response was ‘just the way it is’. To this tony pretended to shoot the burglar, who asked why he had done that. Tony responded, ‘just the way it is’.
Seeing tony at the end it was clear a mentally unstable man who was terrified of being burgled came across a burglar with horrendous consequences. Although it may not have helped tony keep his anonymity, it gave a lot of context.
eybic said:
Wobbegong said:
Is he mentally unstable due to the repeat burglaries or was he unhinged before that?
To be honest, I don’t blame him for showing no remorse.
He claimed he's like that due to being abused as a child.To be honest, I don’t blame him for showing no remorse.
I view domestic burglary as an offence against the person and that defences should be viewed in that manner. Given the effect on victims, it is hardly a property offence.
There seems little doubt that with a bit of thought, and careful answering of questions, he would, at the very least, been found NG and probably not charged.
There has been little change in the law with regards to self defence/property defence.
There seems little doubt that with a bit of thought, and careful answering of questions, he would, at the very least, been found NG and probably not charged.
There has been little change in the law with regards to self defence/property defence.
As far as I’m concerned, if you’re breaking into a house you leave your rights at the door. Or the window or however you got in......
But, the whole discussion is about protecting yourself and your property. If it had gone down the way he said it had then he’d have an argument for self defence. However..... it didn’t go down like he said it did. He said he discharged his shotgun on the stairs aiming below a torchlight. That was a downright lie. And that’s the difference between protecting yourself/property and murder. Barras was shot in the back at a range of five meters or less, a distance away from the house as he was running away. He wasn’t shot in the house, or just outside. His body wasn’t found until the next day. That’s how far he was away from the house. Shooting someone in the back as they are running away is not self defence. The other one was shot in the arse so again, running away. And that’s not even taking into account his shotgun, which was illegally held and.... well somewhat uncompliant with current firearm regulations.
So if he’d shot them inside his house as he said it had happened, fair play. But that wasn’t the case.
But, the whole discussion is about protecting yourself and your property. If it had gone down the way he said it had then he’d have an argument for self defence. However..... it didn’t go down like he said it did. He said he discharged his shotgun on the stairs aiming below a torchlight. That was a downright lie. And that’s the difference between protecting yourself/property and murder. Barras was shot in the back at a range of five meters or less, a distance away from the house as he was running away. He wasn’t shot in the house, or just outside. His body wasn’t found until the next day. That’s how far he was away from the house. Shooting someone in the back as they are running away is not self defence. The other one was shot in the arse so again, running away. And that’s not even taking into account his shotgun, which was illegally held and.... well somewhat uncompliant with current firearm regulations.
So if he’d shot them inside his house as he said it had happened, fair play. But that wasn’t the case.
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