Star Wars - The Mandalorian

[Ash_]

Brilliant as always.

[Evercross]

Ash_ said:

Brilliant as always.

Pitch Meeting absolutely. Mandalorian, not so much.

[Rumblestripe]

Got to binge it following a bout of fairly benign COVID. (Bit tired and very sleepy!)

Decent, better than Boba F and Obi-Wan so not terrible by any stretch. I noticed quite a lot of nods to other SciFi universes as others have noted. Yeah the jet pack thing was a bit silly/lazy why not just lose the trail of the beast thing?

Enjoyable space battles and I rather loved the Republic outpost with a couple of old Y-wings and X-wings trying to keep the peace.

[Evercross]

Rumblestripe said:

Decent,...

Nope.

Rumblestripe said:

better than Boba F and Obi-Wan,..

Which is a low bar.

Rumblestripe said:

so not terrible by any stretch.

That really doesn't follow.

When someone takes the time to objectively point out how pedestrian and pointlessly time-wasting just one episode was you can't help but then notice how poor the whole series was.



It was bobbins. The very fact that an executive producer overruled the showrunner in order to reverse key points of the storyline between series 2 and 3 tells you everything you need to know about how badly crafted series 3 was. It went from being one person's vision to being written by committee, and by god it showed.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 30th April 16:51

[Rumblestripe]

Evercross said:

That...

Blah, blah blah

...showed.

When self appointed arbiters of taste/competence have to post YouTube explanations of why they're right and you're not, two things don't happen

1. I don't waste my time watching the YT guff
2. I don't bother to reappraise my opinion

In a way it is a little sad that you have to rummage through the opinions of others on YT to validate you're own. You didn't enjoy it fair enough.

Let's move on.

[Evercross]

Rumblestripe said:

Evercross said:

That...

Blah, blah blah

...showed.

When self appointed arbiters of taste/competence have to post YouTube explanations of why they're right and you're not, two things don't happen

1. I don't waste my time watching the YT guff
2. I don't bother to reappraise my opinion

In a way it is a little sad that you have to rummage through the opinions of others on YT to validate you're own. You didn't enjoy it fair enough.

Let's move on.

CD's analysis of the episode is (literally) an objective measurement of how much time is wasted on repetition of scenes, and long pauses in the action that add nothing to the story or the visual elements of the episode. It isn't 'opinion' as you call it.

OK, so you enjoyed it and you are entitled to that, but there's ample objective standard to demonstrate that the show production has deteriorated and is resorting to useless filler to pad-out episodes, and no-one can deny that the story took a massive (and inexplicable if you didn't watch BOBF) u-turn between the end of series 2 and the start of series 3 that would confuse and put-off anyone more than the least discerning viewer (and the massive drop-off in viewership between the season opener and the next two episodes is again an objective testament to that).

If it's what you like then knock yourself out, however it is highly unlikely there is going to be another series of The Mandalorian because of internal wrangling at Lucasfilm, and the bickering between producers is spilling out into the quality of their output.

Some people are happy to just consume any old low-quality product without question though, and then wonder why it disappears.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 2nd May 06:56

[Antony Moxey]

Evercross said:

CD's analysis of the episode is (literally) an objective measurement of how much time is wasted on repetition of scenes, and long pauses in the action that add nothing to the story or the visual elements of the episode. It isn't 'opinion' as you call it.

I might suggest it is exactly that. I'm not sure anyone's entitled to say whether a scene adds to a story or not for every single viewer, or whether a pause is unnecessary or not. I don't think it's up to anyone except the viewer to decide whether what you've described adds to the viewer's experience or not.

[Evercross]

Antony Moxey said:

I might suggest it is exactly that. I'm not sure anyone's entitled to say whether a scene adds to a story or not for every single viewer, or whether a pause is unnecessary or not. I don't think it's up to anyone except the viewer to decide whether what you've described adds to the viewer's experience or not.

Counting repeated scenes and measuring time gaps is by definition an objective process. Yes, you can decide yourself or not if it enhances the plot.

Counting viewership drop-off is also an objective process though.

[Antony Moxey]

Evercross said:

Antony Moxey said:

I might suggest it is exactly that. I'm not sure anyone's entitled to say whether a scene adds to a story or not for every single viewer, or whether a pause is unnecessary or not. I don't think it's up to anyone except the viewer to decide whether what you've described adds to the viewer's experience or not.

Counting repeated scenes and measuring time gaps is by definition an objective process. Yes, you can decide yourself or not if it enhances the plot.

Counting viewership drop-off is also an objective process though.

Whether it makes any difference to a viewer's enjoyment is still opinion.

[Ash_]

Evercross said:

Ash_ said:

Brilliant as always.

Pitch Meeting absolutely. Mandalorian, not so much.

Yep

[Evercross]

Antony Moxey said:

Whether it makes any difference to a viewer's enjoyment is still opinion.

The Mandalorian Season 3 Slumps to Worst Audience Demand Since Launch.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Evercross said:

It was bobbins. The very fact that an executive producer overruled the showrunner in order to reverse key points of the storyline between series 2 and 3 tells you everything you need to know about how badly crafted series 3 was. It went from being one person's vision to being written by committee, and by god it showed.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 30th April 16:51

Its suspected the changes are made so that the show can continue when/if Pedro leaves, apparently the last scene at Djarin's new gaff it was a different actor

There also pushing the story arc into the thrawn trilogy, with Ashoka being the next stage.

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 2nd May 17:08

[Dave Hedgehog]

Rumblestripe said:

When self appointed arbiters of taste/competence have to post YouTube explanations of why they're right and you're not, two things don't happen

1. I don't waste my time watching the YT guff
2. I don't bother to reappraise my opinion

In a way it is a little sad that you have to rummage through the opinions of others on YT to validate you're own. You didn't enjoy it fair enough.

Let's move on.

star wars fanatics are hysterically entertaining, "in issue 17, page 9, panel 5 of I HAVE NO LIFE, Obi-Wan's robes were sand brown, in the TV show they were sable brown!!!! The whole show is an utter joke!!!"

Me having watched 20 mins of Vader force murdering people and ripping open space ships "awesome!"

[FourWheelDrift]

Evercross said:

The Mandalorian Season 3 Slumps to Worst Audience Demand Since Launch.

Two words. Kathleen Kennedy.

[Evercross]

FourWheelDrift said:

Evercross said:

The Mandalorian Season 3 Slumps to Worst Audience Demand Since Launch.

Two words. Kathleen Kennedy.

[MBBlat]

Evercross said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Evercross said:

The Mandalorian Season 3 Slumps to Worst Audience Demand Since Launch.

Two words. Kathleen Kennedy.

You mean the Kathleen Kennedy who had the same role in seasons 1&2 but somehow managed to leave the creative team to get on with it until season 3? I know she seems to have been made the devil by the more ‘outspoken’ Star Wars fans, but here record actually isn’t that bad unless she gets overridden from above [cough]Bob Eiger[/cough].

[DodgyGeezer]

Well I finally watched the final episode this evening and.... well it really wasxa little bit st wasn't it? Something seemed to be missing they had exploding spacecraft, laser fights, sword fights etc etc some of it looked lovely and yet it really didn't work for me. It was all a little bit flat for want of a better expression.

Group is still an annoying little st, the mandolorian's jet-packs seemed to have an inexhaustible amount of fuel, the Troopers went from being pretty much invincible last week to cannon-fodder this.... meh

[MesoForm]

DodgyGeezer said:

Well I finally watched the final episode this evening and.... well it really wasxa little bit st wasn't it? Something seemed to be missing they had exploding spacecraft, laser fights, sword fights etc etc some of it looked lovely and yet it really didn't work for me. It was all a little bit flat for want of a better expression.

Group is still an annoying little st, the mandolorian's jet-packs seemed to have an inexhaustible amount of fuel, the Troopers went from being pretty much invincible last week to cannon-fodder this.... meh

Yeah, compared to the other two season finales it fell a bit flat for me too, I don't think it helped that they had a big group of faceless Mandalorians we were supposed to care about whereas in seasons 1 and 2 it was 5 or 6 people that had been in most of the episodes.

I think that Critical Drinker YouTube clip was a bit harsh - I quite like the slower pace that it took to let the whole setting 'breathe' a bit, much like Dune but he's right about a lot of the other stuff that doesn't make sense.

[Evercross]

MBBlat said:

You mean the Kathleen Kennedy who had the same role in seasons 1&2 but somehow managed to leave the creative team to get on with it until season 3? I know she seems to have been made the devil by the more ‘outspoken’ Star Wars fans, but here record actually isn’t that bad unless she gets overridden from above [cough]Bob Eiger[/cough].

Kathleen Kennedy had the same credit in seasons 1&2 (as head of LucasFilm) but didn't start interfering until Book of Boba Fett was in production.

Up until that point John Favreau had been left to his own devices, but Bob Eiger's predecessor Bob Chapaek naïvely brought Kennedy back in from the cold after she'd been sidelined by the Disney board for screwing up the sequel trilogy.

Kennedy immediately set-about ruining BoBF (apparently the hover-scooter gang was her idea) and reversing the ending of series 2 of The Mandalorian because she completely resents the adulation of Luke Skywalker and wanted to kill-off any notion of anyone else trying to restore the legacy of the character.

[FourWheelDrift]

MBBlat said:

Evercross said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Evercross said:

The Mandalorian Season 3 Slumps to Worst Audience Demand Since Launch.

Two words. Kathleen Kennedy.

You mean the Kathleen Kennedy who had the same role in seasons 1&2 but somehow managed to leave the creative team to get on with it until season 3? I know she seems to have been made the devil by the more ‘outspoken’ Star Wars fans, but here record actually isn’t that bad unless she gets overridden from above [cough]Bob Eiger[/cough].

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/kathleen-kennedy-jo...