Star Wars - The Mandalorian

[Evercross]

FourWheelDrift said:

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/kathleen-kennedy-jo...

Edwin Francisco said:

The show feels like it’s slowly picking itself up from a big stumble that we didn’t even see.

My problem with it now though is that there is so much content out there that I want to be selective with which of it I spend my time on, and I am disinclined to investing more time in a series that takes liberties with its narrative to compensate for arguments between its producers.

PS. My 14 year-old daughter (who should be the target audience for this) said that she thought season 3 was terrible compared to 1 and 2...

[Flip Martian]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Its suspected the changes are made so that the show can continue when/if Pedro leaves, apparently the last scene at Djarin's new gaff it was a different actor

There also pushing the story arc into the thrawn trilogy, with Ashoka being the next stage.

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 2nd May 17:08

Can't blame Pedro for wanting out, given they pretty much cut off the balls of his character in S3. What was he even there for, most of the time? To stand around and nod his head and get put in danger so he could be rescued by Xena, or whatever her name is. Terrible.

No problem having strong female characters but S2 was far more balanced.

[FourWheelDrift]

Evercross said:

FourWheelDrift said:

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/kathleen-kennedy-jo...

Edwin Francisco said:

The show feels like it’s slowly picking itself up from a big stumble that we didn’t even see.

My problem with it now though is that there is so much content out there that I want to be selective with which of it I spend my time on, and I am disinclined to investing more time in a series that takes liberties with its narrative to compensate for arguments between its producers.

PS. My 14 year-old daughter (who should be the target audience for this) said that she thought season 3 was terrible compared to 1 and 2...

It's an ages old problem that will always get repeated "When people get anxious they want to control things, even if they haven't the slightest idea what they're doing." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrka-BeIeL0

[C5_Steve]

Flip Martian said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Its suspected the changes are made so that the show can continue when/if Pedro leaves, apparently the last scene at Djarin's new gaff it was a different actor

There also pushing the story arc into the thrawn trilogy, with Ashoka being the next stage.

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 2nd May 17:08

Can't blame Pedro for wanting out, given they pretty much cut off the balls of his character in S3. What was he even there for, most of the time? To stand around and nod his head and get put in danger so he could be rescued by Xena, or whatever her name is. Terrible.

No problem having strong female characters but S2 was far more balanced.

He doesn't want out, he's not been in the suit far more often than just in S3. In fact for most of S2 it was one of two other stunt men (one is John Wayne's son). Simple fact is, it's hard to move around in the suit and shoot action scenes and the stunt men do a better job. Having stand-ins allows him to shoot the other stuff he does at the same time and record the lines as and when. Disney knew this when they cast the role, let's be honest it doesn't require the most insane acting chops to pull off the physical role.

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Flip Martian said:

Can't blame Pedro for wanting out, given they pretty much cut off the balls of his character in S3. What was he even there for, most of the time? To stand around and nod his head and get put in danger so he could be rescued by Xena, or whatever her name is. Terrible.

No problem having strong female characters but S2 was far more balanced.

The Mandalorian had a strong female character in Cara Dune who was scheduled to get her own spin-off series, but then the actress who played her Gina Carano got her contract terminated for some spurious reason allegedly to do with social media posts that didn't fit with some arbitrary political messaging.

Again the timing was suss (the sacking coincided with the gap between seasons 2 and three when Kennedy was given the reins back by Bob Chapek) and it probably had more to do with stemming-off John Favreau having control of two Star Wars TV shows.

To use my '14 year-old daughter' metric again, Cara Dune was the character she identified the most with and still has a poster featuring her on her wall.

[bloomen]

I didn't find her a well utilised character myself or very compelling. She could've been put to far better use. You could say that about all of them pretty much but she stuck out in particular.

[MDubyaB]

I thought she was bloody terrible.

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MDubyaB said:

I thought she was bloody terrible.

I am agnostic, but as I said I am not the target audience.

One example of the target audience thought she was 'cool'.

[Flip Martian]

C5_Steve said:

He doesn't want out, he's not been in the suit far more often than just in S3. In fact for most of S2 it was one of two other stunt men (one is John Wayne's son). Simple fact is, it's hard to move around in the suit and shoot action scenes and the stunt men do a better job. Having stand-ins allows him to shoot the other stuff he does at the same time and record the lines as and when. Disney knew this when they cast the role, let's be honest it doesn't require the most insane acting chops to pull off the physical role.

Bad wording on my part - meant to say "can't blame him for wanting out, if that's what he wanted" following on from him not filming the scenes in the last episode. Didn't know there were many more scenes he didn't appear in as well though.

[Guvernator]

Yeah tbh I found the whole can't remove his helmet thing a bit silly. You've got a really good actor, why not make use of it? I know it's in the official lore but they easily found a way around it for Womandalorian.

Perhaps it suits Pascal that he doesn't have to physically be there for a lot of it?

[Flip Martian]

Guvernator said:

Yeah tbh I found the whole can't remove his helmet thing a bit silly. You've got a really good actor, why not make use of it? I know it's in the official lore but they easily found a way around it for Womandalorian.

Perhaps it suits Pascal that he doesn't have to physically be there for a lot of it?

Probably. Similar thing in Doom Patrol. Brendan Fraser plays one of the leads - except, he does and doesn't. That part is of a robot man with a human brain, so he does the voice and someone else does ALL the "on screen" stuff unless it's a flashback to when he was flesh and blood.

[ukbabz]

Guvernator said:

Yeah tbh I found the whole can't remove his helmet thing a bit silly. You've got a really good actor, why not make use of it? I know it's in the official lore but they easily found a way around it for Womandalorian.

Perhaps it suits Pascal that he doesn't have to physically be there for a lot of it?

I always took it that he doesn't feel the need to remove his helmet / doesn't want to break the creed bar to say goodbye to the one thing (grogu) he loved as true family. I'm surprised that there wasn't a scene where that conversation stating that he believes it should stay on.

[Ash_]

Flip Martian said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Its suspected the changes are made so that the show can continue when/if Pedro leaves, apparently the last scene at Djarin's new gaff it was a different actor

There also pushing the story arc into the thrawn trilogy, with Ashoka being the next stage.

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 2nd May 17:08

Can't blame Pedro for wanting out, given they pretty much cut off the balls of his character in S3. What was he even there for, most of the time? To stand around and nod his head and get put in danger so he could be rescued by Xena, or whatever her name is. Terrible.

No problem having strong female characters but S2 was far more balanced.

Indeed, and let's not forget the S2 finale consisted of all female characters in the final show down.....and Din Djarin, until Skywalker showed up. And most fans loved it, none the "huge" numbers (yeah, right) of "Man-Babies" complained about it, because it didn't detract from the story.

[Ash_]

Evercross said:

MBBlat said:

You mean the Kathleen Kennedy who had the same role in seasons 1&2 but somehow managed to leave the creative team to get on with it until season 3? I know she seems to have been made the devil by the more ‘outspoken’ Star Wars fans, but here record actually isn’t that bad unless she gets overridden from above [cough]Bob Eiger[/cough].

Kathleen Kennedy had the same credit in seasons 1&2 (as head of LucasFilm) but didn't start interfering until Book of Boba Fett was in production.

Up until that point John Favreau had been left to his own devices, but Bob Eiger's predecessor Bob Chapaek naïvely brought Kennedy back in from the cold after she'd been sidelined by the Disney board for screwing up the sequel trilogy.

Kennedy immediately set-about ruining BoBF (apparently the hover-scooter gang was her idea) and reversing the ending of series 2 of The Mandalorian because she completely resents the adulation of Luke Skywalker and wanted to kill-off any notion of anyone else trying to restore the legacy of the character.

KK's record is shocking, the sequel trilogy, although made big money is generally hated by most core fans. By core fans, I mean those that have kept the franchise alive for decades, by buying into the EU for example and continuing to buy Merch. Merch sales o sequel stuff is rubbish, hence why, for example, Lego and even the guys that make the limited edition stuff generally avoid the sequel trilogy, it won't sell. The sequel trilogy, although good looking, was also a story telling mess, having different directors write different bits and not liaising with each other. All overseen by KK. Generally when KK sticks her oar in, it all goes tits up. They should just leave Filoni and Favreau to get on with it, with zero interference, it would result in a much better product.

[Salted_Peanut]

Evercross said:

Gina Carano got her contract terminated for some spurious reason allegedly to do with social media posts that didn't fit with some arbitrary political messaging.

It wasn’t woke-gone-mad in Gina Carano’s case. She left them no choice but to fire her (e.g. extremely antisemitic stuff).

[chris watton]

Salted_Peanut said:

Evercross said:

Gina Carano got her contract terminated for some spurious reason allegedly to do with social media posts that didn't fit with some arbitrary political messaging.

It wasn’t woke-gone-mad in Gina Carano’s case. She left them no choice but to fire her (e.g. extremely antisemitic stuff).

Do you have a link to this 'extremely antisemitic stuff', or are you simply parroting Lucasfilm's narrative?

[Evercross]

Salted_Peanut said:

It wasn’t woke-gone-mad in Gina Carano’s case. She left them no choice but to fire her (e.g. extremely antisemitic stuff).

It was the precise opposite of 'extremely anti-semitic stuff'.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 4th May 18:06

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Ash_ said:

KK's record is shocking, the sequel trilogy, although made big money is generally hated by most core fans. By core fans, I mean those that have kept the franchise alive for decades, by buying into the EU for example and continuing to buy Merch. Merch sales o sequel stuff is rubbish, hence why, for example, Lego and even the guys that make the limited edition stuff generally avoid the sequel trilogy, it won't sell. The sequel trilogy, although good looking, was also a story telling mess, having different directors write different bits and not liaising with each other. All overseen by KK. Generally when KK sticks her oar in, it all goes tits up. They should just leave Filoni and Favreau to get on with it, with zero interference, it would result in a much better product.

When you hear people say that the character Rey was a Katherine Kennedy self-insert, and that everything she has had creative input into regarding Star Wars has been an attempt to diminish George Lucas's legacy in favour of her own then everything that is wrong with the franchise right now makes perfect sense.

[Kes Arevo]

Salted_Peanut said:

It wasn’t woke-gone-mad in Gina Carano’s case. She left them no choice but to fire her (e.g. extremely antisemitic stuff).

What was anti-Semitic about it?

[Flip Martian]

Ultimately she could have kept her views private and not spouted off all over Twitter and kept her job. Social media use by "personalities" is a very strange thing. I wouldn't give two hoots about what she believes or not and wouldn't care to read it but some choose to pontificate about this and that as though they can change the world by speaking up. But they cannot. Twitter in particular is a cess pool.