7 x 911 owner needs some AM help ....
Discussion
Well having owned, loved and enjoyed seven 911's now its time to move onto pastures new . Ill be keeping my GT3RS but looking for an AM as a 2019 summer daily 'cruiser' as a contrast . Fairly fixed on a DB9 Volante. In brief my questions are:
1) I want to buy one at the bottom of its depreciation curve .. what the best year to aim for in terms of spec vs mid life facelift vs low depreciation.
I realise these kind of questions are a 'well trodden path' to the extend of being tiresome but entering a new brand well outwith my '911' comfort zone Id find any input and advice on the above hugely helpful.
Many thanks
Barry (Glasgow)
1) I want to buy one at the bottom of its depreciation curve .. what the best year to aim for in terms of spec vs mid life facelift vs low depreciation.
I realise these kind of questions are a 'well trodden path' to the extend of being tiresome but entering a new brand well outwith my '911' comfort zone Id find any input and advice on the above hugely helpful.
Many thanks
Barry (Glasgow)
Edited by Por911T on Sunday 16th December 21:00
Edited by Por911T on Sunday 16th December 21:15
With that spread of budget, the first step is to buy the bible
http://www.astonmartinreview.co.uk/
Understand the changes over the years and then come back and ask questions.
The early cars are depreciating less in monetary terms, but later cars are better equipped
http://www.astonmartinreview.co.uk/
Understand the changes over the years and then come back and ask questions.
The early cars are depreciating less in monetary terms, but later cars are better equipped
Hey Neil,
Thanks so much for the reminder, I'd been meaning to order the book for sometime. Which I have now done via your link, so many thanks again for the reminder ! I suppose its just finding the right car that hits sweet spot on price / spec / age / condition etc …. and knowing as much as possible about the model before making a final decision.
Many thanks again
Barry
Thanks so much for the reminder, I'd been meaning to order the book for sometime. Which I have now done via your link, so many thanks again for the reminder ! I suppose its just finding the right car that hits sweet spot on price / spec / age / condition etc …. and knowing as much as possible about the model before making a final decision.
Many thanks again
Barry
I am also a serial Porsche owner (993, GT3, GT4, 7.2 GTS, 7.2 TurboS, 981 Spyder, Macan) and found the recent Pork offerings a bit too capable. The only ones attractive are either old aircooled 911s or the GT3 Touring / R which is nigh impossible. Having owned a 458 Spider last year+, it revealed how wonderful the drivetrain and engine is of a big engined motor beyond the classic flat-6 of any Porsche. I also missed 3 pedals. So with my trackdays mostly finished (I used to do over 20 a year years ago) and enjoying touring in something special moreso, I recently pulled the trigger on a V12V manual. The 7speed V12VS is attractive, but I do not think the 40k premium is worth it... yet. The 6spd V12V offers big value and just as much of an experience and with an arguably better looking interior. Not many pickings available, and I get the sense 80-85k is a good entry point and sweet spot for a dealer/warrantied car.
I think that's a smart move.
I contemplated moving from my V12VM to a V12VSM but I couldn't do it. I hear from owners that it's a good car - more squat and go then squirm, but the point on the interior was also my concern. The waterfall console looks great on the Vanquish because of the rake, but it feels a bit of an afterthought on the V12VS. The 7 speed dog-leg also isn't a great implementation. The spring position is very un-natural. Again, you'd get used to it with muscle memory - but I loved that I could get in the V12V and everything felt instinctive.
I believe most with the original 6 speed cars are keeping them - so I'd grab one whilst you can. I hear it's a done deal that AM will NOT offer a V12 of the new vantage - so these may soon climb in price. Those that have the V8 Vantage are going to want to trade up at some point - and there aren't enough cars to cater for everyone.
Good luck and happy to help answer any specific questions.
I contemplated moving from my V12VM to a V12VSM but I couldn't do it. I hear from owners that it's a good car - more squat and go then squirm, but the point on the interior was also my concern. The waterfall console looks great on the Vanquish because of the rake, but it feels a bit of an afterthought on the V12VS. The 7 speed dog-leg also isn't a great implementation. The spring position is very un-natural. Again, you'd get used to it with muscle memory - but I loved that I could get in the V12V and everything felt instinctive.
I believe most with the original 6 speed cars are keeping them - so I'd grab one whilst you can. I hear it's a done deal that AM will NOT offer a V12 of the new vantage - so these may soon climb in price. Those that have the V8 Vantage are going to want to trade up at some point - and there aren't enough cars to cater for everyone.
Good luck and happy to help answer any specific questions.
spareparts said:
I am also a serial Porsche owner (993, GT3, GT4, 7.2 GTS, 7.2 TurboS, 981 Spyder, Macan) and found the recent Pork offerings a bit too capable. The only ones attractive are either old aircooled 911s or the GT3 Touring / R which is nigh impossible. Having owned a 458 Spider last year+, it revealed how wonderful the drivetrain and engine is of a big engined motor beyond the classic flat-6 of any Porsche. I also missed 3 pedals. So with my trackdays mostly finished (I used to do over 20 a year years ago) and enjoying touring in something special moreso, I recently pulled the trigger on a V12V manual. The 7speed V12VS is attractive, but I do not think the 40k premium is worth it... yet. The 6spd V12V offers big value and just as much of an experience and with an arguably better looking interior. Not many pickings available, and I get the sense 80-85k is a good entry point and sweet spot for a dealer/warrantied car.
Every day you own and drive it will take you further from the "Top Trumps" style comparison you have successfully avoided. You'll get out of that car every time with hands trembling..... and you will love it.Well done on your choice. You've shown you've got good taste
woodsypedia said:
I think that's a smart move.
I contemplated moving from my V12VM to a V12VSM but I couldn't do it. I hear from owners that it's a good car - more squat and go then squirm, but the point on the interior was also my concern. The waterfall console looks great on the Vanquish because of the rake, but it feels a bit of an afterthought on the V12VS. The 7 speed dog-leg also isn't a great implementation. The spring position is very un-natural. Again, you'd get used to it with muscle memory - but I loved that I could get in the V12V and everything felt instinctive.
I believe most with the original 6 speed cars are keeping them - so I'd grab one whilst you can. I hear it's a done deal that AM will NOT offer a V12 of the new vantage - so these may soon climb in price. Those that have the V8 Vantage are going to want to trade up at some point - and there aren't enough cars to cater for everyone.
Yes, you've hit the nail on the head with regards to the facelifted interior centre console. I previously had an E30 M3 with a dogleg box, and after the novelty wore off, it was a pain. It simply wasn't intuitive enough when you have other cars to drive. Aston's 7 speeder doesn't work for me. Porsche's current 7-speed manual with the traditional pattern is a better solution.I contemplated moving from my V12VM to a V12VSM but I couldn't do it. I hear from owners that it's a good car - more squat and go then squirm, but the point on the interior was also my concern. The waterfall console looks great on the Vanquish because of the rake, but it feels a bit of an afterthought on the V12VS. The 7 speed dog-leg also isn't a great implementation. The spring position is very un-natural. Again, you'd get used to it with muscle memory - but I loved that I could get in the V12V and everything felt instinctive.
I believe most with the original 6 speed cars are keeping them - so I'd grab one whilst you can. I hear it's a done deal that AM will NOT offer a V12 of the new vantage - so these may soon climb in price. Those that have the V8 Vantage are going to want to trade up at some point - and there aren't enough cars to cater for everyone.
divetheworld said:
Every day you own and drive it will take you further from the "Top Trumps" style comparison you have successfully avoided. You'll get out of that car every time with hands trembling..... and you will love it.
Well done on your choice. You've shown you've got good taste
Thank you. If there is something I learned from the hundreds of trackdays and modifying cars in my yoof to gain top trumps in the paddock, is that there is always going to be something newer/faster/shinier than yours - next season. The Vantage coupe is aesthetically near perfect and has aged so well - design is a hallmark of every great supercar. The V12V struggles to get it's power down cleanly, and the intentionality of the gearbox means it is never going to be a racecar. Even with a modest 510hp instead of the V12VS's increase, I am far happier stirring the manual gearbox and surfing the big V12 torque.Well done on your choice. You've shown you've got good taste
I also came from a long line of Porsche cars. I ended up with a 2009 DB9 Volante after reading the bible.
I wanted the updated interior as I enjoyed the upgrades to the seats, key, wheels, etc.
There was not many things that changed from 09-11 so I shopped anything in that year range
I love the car, not as quick as the 911 Turbo but the sound the V12 makes is wonderful and the car is beautiful.
The early cars will depreciate a bit less but at least in the US the 09+ cars seem to carry a 10k premium on price vs a 2008 model.
I wanted the updated interior as I enjoyed the upgrades to the seats, key, wheels, etc.
There was not many things that changed from 09-11 so I shopped anything in that year range
I love the car, not as quick as the 911 Turbo but the sound the V12 makes is wonderful and the car is beautiful.
The early cars will depreciate a bit less but at least in the US the 09+ cars seem to carry a 10k premium on price vs a 2008 model.
woodsypedia said:
I think that's a smart move.
I contemplated moving from my V12VM to a V12VSM but I couldn't do it. I hear from owners that it's a good car - more squat and go then squirm, but the point on the interior was also my concern. The waterfall console looks great on the Vanquish because of the rake, but it feels a bit of an afterthought on the V12VS. The 7 speed dog-leg also isn't a great implementation. The spring position is very un-natural. Again, you'd get used to it with muscle memory - but I loved that I could get in the V12V and everything felt instinctive.
I believe most with the original 6 speed cars are keeping them - so I'd grab one whilst you can. I hear it's a done deal that AM will NOT offer a V12 of the new vantage - so these may soon climb in price. Those that have the V8 Vantage are going to want to trade up at some point - and there aren't enough cars to cater for everyone.
Good luck and happy to help answer any specific questions.
Having had both I don't get the criticism of the 7sp. After a few hours driving it's natural and just as easy as the 6sp. I did change the gear leaver though for the old aluminium jobby, as I feel that the weight of the gear stick actually helps with the precision of the change, it just puts more weight behind it. I did love my 6sp though, and would happily have kept it if the opportunity to switch hadn't come up.I contemplated moving from my V12VM to a V12VSM but I couldn't do it. I hear from owners that it's a good car - more squat and go then squirm, but the point on the interior was also my concern. The waterfall console looks great on the Vanquish because of the rake, but it feels a bit of an afterthought on the V12VS. The 7 speed dog-leg also isn't a great implementation. The spring position is very un-natural. Again, you'd get used to it with muscle memory - but I loved that I could get in the V12V and everything felt instinctive.
I believe most with the original 6 speed cars are keeping them - so I'd grab one whilst you can. I hear it's a done deal that AM will NOT offer a V12 of the new vantage - so these may soon climb in price. Those that have the V8 Vantage are going to want to trade up at some point - and there aren't enough cars to cater for everyone.
Good luck and happy to help answer any specific questions.
As for price, personally I don't think there will be any increase in values of the 6 or 7 speeds for a few years at least (or for any AML except the ultra-rare). In a world where governments are hell bent on killing the ICE (and will ultimately do so via taxes), political and economic uncertainty, plus the fact that the younger generation on the whole don't give a toss about massive engines or whether they're Naturally Aspirated or not. In the same way that I would never buy a Tesla (looks like a Toyota to me with an awful interior
), most younger people now wouldn't dream of a V8 or V12, and I can't see those attitudes changing.Sad but true
As a former owner of 2 x 911 Turbo I went for a 2005 year DB9 to scratch an itch and try the brand out.
Nearly 4 years later I still have it and love it. I don't think it has fallen in value much (if anything) either over that period either, judging by the classifieds.
I sometimes get the urge to swap it for a 2009 model as the interior uplifts are very nice, but given mine is surely at the bottom of the deprecation curve I have never gone further than just looking.
Good luck in your search, you won't regret it!
Nearly 4 years later I still have it and love it. I don't think it has fallen in value much (if anything) either over that period either, judging by the classifieds.
I sometimes get the urge to swap it for a 2009 model as the interior uplifts are very nice, but given mine is surely at the bottom of the deprecation curve I have never gone further than just looking.
Good luck in your search, you won't regret it!
JulianPH said:
As a former owner of 2 x 911 Turbo I went for a 2005 year DB9 to scratch an itch and try the brand out.
Nearly 4 years later I still have it and love it. I don't think it has fallen in value much (if anything) either over that period either, judging by the classifieds.
I sometimes get the urge to swap it for a 2009 model as the interior uplifts are very nice, but given mine is surely at the bottom of the deprecation curve I have never gone further than just looking.
Good luck in your search, you won't regret it!
They’re not everyone’s cup of tea! Had 4 assorted Porsches (still got 2) and bought a very well spec’d Vantage 4.3 to scratch the itch but never engaged with it. To many compromises, ride, ergonomics etc etc, it always felt old in a way a Porsche never has. No interest in the new 3.0lt 911 so the next itch to be scratched is a 3.8 991.1 turbo, cant wait. Nearly 4 years later I still have it and love it. I don't think it has fallen in value much (if anything) either over that period either, judging by the classifieds.
I sometimes get the urge to swap it for a 2009 model as the interior uplifts are very nice, but given mine is surely at the bottom of the deprecation curve I have never gone further than just looking.
Good luck in your search, you won't regret it!
Ive had 8 Porsche’s and replaced 5 engines over 27 years.
I went for a low milage 2 owner Aston approved 2007 volante as most of the early niggles have been sorted with the ‘07 model + you get the better seats and lower suspension. A 2008 model with the same,iilage would have cost 10K more... and that’s a lot to pay for a glass key.
I went for a low milage 2 owner Aston approved 2007 volante as most of the early niggles have been sorted with the ‘07 model + you get the better seats and lower suspension. A 2008 model with the same,iilage would have cost 10K more... and that’s a lot to pay for a glass key.
David W. said:
JulianPH said:
As a former owner of 2 x 911 Turbo I went for a 2005 year DB9 to scratch an itch and try the brand out.
Nearly 4 years later I still have it and love it. I don't think it has fallen in value much (if anything) either over that period either, judging by the classifieds.
I sometimes get the urge to swap it for a 2009 model as the interior uplifts are very nice, but given mine is surely at the bottom of the deprecation curve I have never gone further than just looking.
Good luck in your search, you won't regret it!
They’re not everyone’s cup of tea! Had 4 assorted Porsches (still got 2) and bought a very well spec’d Vantage 4.3 to scratch the itch but never engaged with it. To many compromises, ride, ergonomics etc etc, it always felt old in a way a Porsche never has. No interest in the new 3.0lt 911 so the next itch to be scratched is a 3.8 991.1 turbo, cant wait. Nearly 4 years later I still have it and love it. I don't think it has fallen in value much (if anything) either over that period either, judging by the classifieds.
I sometimes get the urge to swap it for a 2009 model as the interior uplifts are very nice, but given mine is surely at the bottom of the deprecation curve I have never gone further than just looking.
Good luck in your search, you won't regret it!
I also agree on the new 911. I much prefer 991.1 Turbo and even the old 996 and 997.1 Turbo with the Mezger engine.
I am of the firm belief that everyone who can should own a 911 and a Aston Martin at some point in life though!
LesF said:
Ive had 8 Porsche’s and replaced 5 engines over 27 years.
I went for a low milage 2 owner Aston approved 2007 volante as most of the early niggles have been sorted with the ‘07 model + you get the better seats and lower suspension. A 2008 model with the same,iilage would have cost 10K more... and that’s a lot to pay for a glass key.
Quite,it amazes me how most people seem to think that Porsches are built proof. Even the later GT3 cars have a terrible engine reputation.I went for a low milage 2 owner Aston approved 2007 volante as most of the early niggles have been sorted with the ‘07 model + you get the better seats and lower suspension. A 2008 model with the same,iilage would have cost 10K more... and that’s a lot to pay for a glass key.
I have owned ten Porsches and i think my Aston is better built.
After lots of 911's of all flavours I bought my first AM last month, a V12VS manual, one of the last ones made. It's fantastic, the dog leg box takes a bit of getting used to but gives the car a lot of character and its a lot of fun. The noise is amazing (AMR Ti exhaust) and the ride and handling are sublime. It's not quite as razor sharp as a GT3 but I prefer it as a road car to anything else I've ever owned.
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