Patrick Stewart to return as Picard
Discussion
robemcdonald said:
I was a pretty big fan of TNG and have watched pretty much everything Star Trek (with the exception of the animated series)
I quite liked the first episode.
Pros
Patrick Stewart as Packard
Looks very nice.
Lots of call backs and Easter eggs those who wanted them.
Interesting story.
Almost feels like proper trek, but not quite (see below)
Cons
Sloppy writing
Plot errors. (They talk about there being Data and B4, but forget about Lal and Law)
Gaps in logic (how could a malicious party transport into star fleet HQ? 950 million doesn’t seem like a lot of Romulans, why couldn’t they just move themselves to a different planet in the empire? There must have been a thousand ways to do it without having to build an amarda,)
Why would you put an artificial brain in an organic body? Wouldn’t the other way around make more sense?
Hopefully some points will be answered as the show moves on.
At least it’s not as bad as discovery.
One of the cons for me was the fact I'm pretty sure even with today's technology we could tell with a few million years warning if our own star was going to go Supernova so there would be no need to have the big rush around at the end. I quite liked the first episode.
Pros
Patrick Stewart as Packard
Looks very nice.
Lots of call backs and Easter eggs those who wanted them.
Interesting story.
Almost feels like proper trek, but not quite (see below)
Cons
Sloppy writing
Plot errors. (They talk about there being Data and B4, but forget about Lal and Law)
Gaps in logic (how could a malicious party transport into star fleet HQ? 950 million doesn’t seem like a lot of Romulans, why couldn’t they just move themselves to a different planet in the empire? There must have been a thousand ways to do it without having to build an amarda,)
Why would you put an artificial brain in an organic body? Wouldn’t the other way around make more sense?
Hopefully some points will be answered as the show moves on.
At least it’s not as bad as discovery.
If you put that premise to bed then I could believe that you'd need all hands on deck and every available ship to mount an effective evacuation.
but enjoyed that. Weekly wait is annoying though 
Everyone seems to be forgetting the Romulans asked Starfleet for help so clearly they didn't have enough ships for the massive number of people to be airlifted from the planet.
Imagine the whole of the earth needing to be taken to, say, America. Even despite all the aircraft there are it still wouldn't be enough without hundreds of journeys. in such a short space of time it wouldn't be feasible.
Imagine the whole of the earth needing to be taken to, say, America. Even despite all the aircraft there are it still wouldn't be enough without hundreds of journeys. in such a short space of time it wouldn't be feasible.
MissChief said:
Everyone seems to be forgetting the Romulans asked Starfleet for help so clearly they didn't have enough ships for the massive number of people to be airlifted from the planet.
Imagine the whole of the earth needing to be taken to, say, America. Even despite all the aircraft there are it still wouldn't be enough without hundreds of journeys. in such a short space of time it wouldn't be feasible.
Putting to one side the Romulans sudden small numbers and apparent feebleness.Imagine the whole of the earth needing to be taken to, say, America. Even despite all the aircraft there are it still wouldn't be enough without hundreds of journeys. in such a short space of time it wouldn't be feasible.
In your scenario; would you use existing transport for the evacuation? Or would you decide to manufacture a fleet of purpose built vehicles?
Bearing in mind the ticking clock.
i guess there maybe something coming that the Supernova wasnt "natural"??
also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
rider73 said:
i guess there maybe something coming that the Supernova wasnt "natural"??
also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
There’s a lot of EU comics & books about the Hobus supernova that back up it not being a natural event. Hobus was not the Romulan star so there should have been plenty of time. also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Of course the main source of this info is the EU comic Countdown, in which Data has been resurrected (via B4) and is now Captain of the Enterprise. The first episode of Picard rather renders the story non-canon.
rider73 said:
i guess there maybe something coming that the Supernova wasnt "natural"??
also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Romulans looked to be salvaging a Borg Cube, perhaps that Cube destroyed the majority of their fleet before it was destroyed itself.also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Anyway, 900 million people to move is an awful lot. Assuming you can squeeze 5000 people onto a single ship, you would still need 180,000 ships to evacuate in one trip.
AlexC1981 said:
rider73 said:
i guess there maybe something coming that the Supernova wasnt "natural"??
also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Romulans looked to be salvaging a Borg Cube, perhaps that Cube destroyed the majority of their fleet before it was destroyed itself.also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Anyway, 900 million people to move is an awful lot. Assuming you can squeeze 5000 people onto a single ship, you would still need 180,000 ships to evacuate in one trip.
They say that the comics that tie in with the 2009 film (from the same production company as Picard, with Kurtzman et Al) that they say is cannon with data resurrected as captain of enterprise E. Well they've kicked that into touch with Ep 1.
The main question that the writing really gets itself in knits in just 1 ep, why would the romulans need the federation to build them a fleet to save them from the supernova, when it would be much quicker and effective to just start building their own rescue armada.
It wasn't like the federation had those ships, they were building them FOR the romulans, when discussing and diplomacy with the secretive romulans would draw out the process massively.
The romulans empire was large and powerful. They would have either known the supernova was coming and done something about it OR it was unnatural and happened quickly so nothing could have been done anyway.
It's having a flashy idea and convulsing a plot to make it fit regardless of what is known about the universe of ST already.
I am giving Picard its run before I decide BUT I still see them making Star Wars clone, not star trek. IYSWIM
AlexC1981 said:
rider73 said:
i guess there maybe something coming that the Supernova wasnt "natural"??
also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Romulans looked to be salvaging a Borg Cube, perhaps that Cube destroyed the majority of their fleet before it was destroyed itself.also there is a possibility that the Romulans were not the big Empire we left behind in TNG (indeed did they ever feature in the TNG MOVIES? i never watched any after the first one) -- perhaps they were fighting the Borg or something....
Anyway, 900 million people to move is an awful lot. Assuming you can squeeze 5000 people onto a single ship, you would still need 180,000 ships to evacuate in one trip.
robemcdonald said:
So would it be quicker to use ships you already had or build new ones?
I feel like you're leading me into a trap. Where's Admiral Ackbar when you need him? 
Quicker to use ships you already have, but perhaps more ships were needed than were available. 900 million is a lot of people and they couldn't just be dumped in one place either.
Pickard even compared it to Dunkirk.
An evacuation of Romulus would see thousands of every size ship from every planet.
Amazon galactic would probably be able to lend them a couple of million of their delivery ships.
No need to build a fleet.
It’s a minor point, but it doesn’t make sense. Another 10 minutes or so and the writers should have been able to come up with something better.
An evacuation of Romulus would see thousands of every size ship from every planet.
Amazon galactic would probably be able to lend them a couple of million of their delivery ships.
No need to build a fleet.
It’s a minor point, but it doesn’t make sense. Another 10 minutes or so and the writers should have been able to come up with something better.
Tuna said:
smn159 said:
You're possibly over thinking this, guys
You don't say? 
I guess it shows that this show might appeal to a wide range of viewers though. I’m not a big Star Trek fan tbh but enjoyed it. I don’t have a clue what some of the posters are talking about above.
I thought maybe I’d catch up on some of the back story and check out ‘the next generation’ but then I discovered it starts in ‘87 and runs for 176 episodes.
Ah, the over thinking it / your taking it too seriously argument.
You know the other guys right, but rather than admit it you want to change the course of the discussion...
For what it’s worth I liked it too, but without the sloppy writing and plot holes it could have been mush better.
If you’re happy to overlook the short comings, then great. Good for you.
Star Trek has always been science fiction. Not science fantasy. The difference is for science fiction to be good you have to establish a set of rules and stick to them. If not you end up with something like the last Star Wars movie.
To coin a phrase “you may not have noticed, but you’re brain did”
You know the other guys right, but rather than admit it you want to change the course of the discussion...
For what it’s worth I liked it too, but without the sloppy writing and plot holes it could have been mush better.
If you’re happy to overlook the short comings, then great. Good for you.
Star Trek has always been science fiction. Not science fantasy. The difference is for science fiction to be good you have to establish a set of rules and stick to them. If not you end up with something like the last Star Wars movie.
To coin a phrase “you may not have noticed, but you’re brain did”
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