Patrick Stewart to return as Picard
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C5_Steve said:
ben5575 said:
This series is fantastic, that was such a great episode.
Having been name dropped, if the Admiral <cough> makes an appearance in this series I'm going to have a Luke/Mandalorian moment
They've been mentioned so much it'd almost be a disappointment if they didn't now. They're already in Star Trek prodigy so it's not really a stretch.Having been name dropped, if the Admiral <cough> makes an appearance in this series I'm going to have a Luke/Mandalorian moment
I'm still holding out hope for a Sisko appearance, I think he's said quite publically he wouldn't return but given this season links to the Dominion war I'd love for him to make a reappearance, whether that's in Prophet form or otherwise.
I did see some theories online that Jack may be a Par Wraith (same glowing red eyes as Ducat) but I think that would be a stretch, however it would throw the door open for a little Sisko appearance
ben5575 said:
Having been name dropped, if the Admiral <cough> makes an appearance in this series I'm going to have a Luke/Mandalorian moment
there is a rumour that said person could end up being the big bad - one would hope not but....WRT to Sisko that would be absolutely awesome - however I understand that Avery Brooks isn't interested whatsoever in the Trekverse (there are other mutterings about his methods of 'relaxation' which would also be an issue - hope that that particular one is false)
Guvernator said:
Yep very good episode and the story is actually intriguing. I have no idea what Jack is right now but it's got me hooked. This is exactly what I imagined an updated Trek show should be like, even if it's taken 3 seasons to get there, no idea what happened with Seasons 1 and 2.
Yep, we've got our Star Trek back.Guvernator said:
Yep very good episode and the story is actually intriguing. I have no idea what Jack is right now but it's got me hooked. This is exactly what I imagined an updated Trek show should be like, even if it's taken 3 seasons to get there, no idea what happened with Seasons 1 and 2.
I mentioned earlier it's probably because 1 & 2 introduced us apparently to a post-TNG crew Picard had but we never knew about them or had seen them before, so no history and we didn't care about them. Now the old TNG crew are returning, we know them, we care about them.FourWheelDrift said:
I mentioned earlier it's probably because 1 & 2 introduced us apparently to a post-TNG crew Picard had but we never knew about them or had seen them before, so no history and we didn't care about them. Now the old TNG crew are returning, we know them, we care about them.
No it's not just familiarity, it's more the fact that the new crew in season 1 & 2 were awfully written, modern Hollywood bilge for the most part. We have new characters in Season 3 too but unlike those in the previous seasons, I am actually enjoying watching Jack, Ensign LaForge and Captain Shaw a hell of a lot more than the previous dullards. In fact the only weak character is Raffi who surprise surprise is from the previous lot, she is literally being carried by being paired with Michael Dorn.
Guvernator said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I mentioned earlier it's probably because 1 & 2 introduced us apparently to a post-TNG crew Picard had but we never knew about them or had seen them before, so no history and we didn't care about them. Now the old TNG crew are returning, we know them, we care about them.
No it's not just familiarity, it's more the fact that the new crew in season 1 & 2 were awfully written, modern Hollywood bilge for the most part. We have new characters in Season 3 too but unlike those in the previous seasons, I am actually enjoying watching Jack, Ensign LaForge and Captain Shaw a hell of a lot more than the previous dullards. In fact the only weak character is Raffi who surprise surprise is from the previous lot, she is literally being carried by being paired with Michael Dorn.
Guvernator said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I mentioned earlier it's probably because 1 & 2 introduced us apparently to a post-TNG crew Picard had but we never knew about them or had seen them before, so no history and we didn't care about them. Now the old TNG crew are returning, we know them, we care about them.
No it's not just familiarity, it's more the fact that the new crew in season 1 & 2 were awfully written, modern Hollywood bilge for the most part. Space Africans anyone? How about Space Oirish? Etc.
It certainly seems to have come on with TM as showrunner.
I think there's room for a Season 4 or more especially with the new characters being introduced.
Maybe start to lay back a bit on the originals & base it around Captain Shaw & the Titan with occasional guest appearances from the TNG, Voyager & DS9 crews.
I'd like to see what Chief O'Brien is up to. Teaching at the Academy maybe? Running a training ship?
Captain Ezri Dax? What about Garak? How's Quark doing?
Where's Reg Barclay? Maybe Kurn could show up?
Is Harry Kim still an Ensign? Etc.
Unfortunately it's very likely Picard season 3 will be the last season. Paramount and Alan Kurtzman, the hack they put in charge of the whole Star Trek property have royally screwed the pooch producing dross like Discovery and Season 1 and 2 of Picard and Season 3 while much better is too little, too late.
They are losing money hand over fist. Discovery has been cancelled as will all the other Star Trek shows over the next year. Picard will hopefully end on a high with season 3 but there is a very high likelihood that we won't get more Star Trek content for a while.
The big studios have made it a habit of spectacularly getting well known IP's wrong over the last few years, when they should be easy home runs. Things like The Mandalorian and Picard Season 3 show what can be achieved when they stop interfering and just let people who understand the shows do it properly.
Sorry for the mini rant but it boils my piss that they get it so wrong, time and again.
They are losing money hand over fist. Discovery has been cancelled as will all the other Star Trek shows over the next year. Picard will hopefully end on a high with season 3 but there is a very high likelihood that we won't get more Star Trek content for a while.
The big studios have made it a habit of spectacularly getting well known IP's wrong over the last few years, when they should be easy home runs. Things like The Mandalorian and Picard Season 3 show what can be achieved when they stop interfering and just let people who understand the shows do it properly.
Sorry for the mini rant but it boils my piss that they get it so wrong, time and again.
Guvernator said:
Unfortunately it's very likely Picard season 3 will be the last season. Paramount and Alan Kurtzman, the hack they put in charge of the whole Star Trek property have royally screwed the pooch producing dross like Discovery and Season 1 and 2 of Picard and Season 3 while much better is too little, too late.
They are losing money hand over fist. Discovery has been cancelled as will all the other Star Trek shows over the next year. Picard will hopefully end on a high with season 3 but there is a very high likelihood that we won't get more Star Trek content for a while.
The big studios have made it a habit of spectacularly getting well known IP's wrong over the last few years, when they should be easy home runs. Things like The Mandalorian and Picard Season 3 show what can be achieved when they stop interfering and just let people who understand the shows do it properly.
Sorry for the mini rant but it boils my piss that they get it so wrong, time and again.
Season 3 of SNW is just going into production, apparently - so that's continuing. Disco is being cancelled (thank God) but only after season 5 has been completed. Picard was always down to be 3 seasons, although Patrick Stewart was quoted (just before S3 started airing) as saying that he enjoyed it so much he would be open to doing a S4. They are losing money hand over fist. Discovery has been cancelled as will all the other Star Trek shows over the next year. Picard will hopefully end on a high with season 3 but there is a very high likelihood that we won't get more Star Trek content for a while.
The big studios have made it a habit of spectacularly getting well known IP's wrong over the last few years, when they should be easy home runs. Things like The Mandalorian and Picard Season 3 show what can be achieved when they stop interfering and just let people who understand the shows do it properly.
Sorry for the mini rant but it boils my piss that they get it so wrong, time and again.
Don't know much about Lower Decks etc as I don't watch those but I've only heard positive things about those and not heard they're stopping. It really seemed to be Disco and the first 2 seasons of Picard that were so polarising. I'm hoping they don't bother with the Section 31 spin off (especially now Michelle Yeoh has won an oscar which will see her price go up).
And for every Mandalorian there's another show that goes down like a lead balloon like Kenobi or Boba Fett (although I enjoyed the latter).
Guvernator said:
They just seem to be VERY hit and miss in quality or just get it wrong by not understanding the IP or the fanbase which considering the amount of money they spend on them, seems mental.
I suspect they started off with the misses and they've been ploughing on with the grim "not ST" tone and plotting for Disco and Picard until they listened to the room and conceived SNW as a way to get disgruntled fans back on track. And certainly the tone of Picard S3 is more along those lines too. At the same time, there's a whole army of self righteous and aggressive Disco fans who think its wonderful and anyone who hates on it is a homophobic asshole. It seems they forgive poor characterisation, bad plotting and writing as long as they have gender neutral and gay characters in it. Very weird.
I've never met any real life Trek fan who actually liked Discovery but then I am middle aged. Maybe the younger generation like it and that's the problem they seem to struggle with time and again. Trying to bring in new viewers while not alienating or even pissing off original fans is a fine line that they often get wrong.
So am I - yes, agreed on that. They lost me though when they started talking about how UNinclusive previous ST was and illustrating that with what is widely seen as 1 of the worst TNG eps with the alien Africans. And that's why what they were doing with Disco was so good. Cough.
But ST has been inclusive from day 1 - it's had race stories, same sex relationship stories, non binary gender stories. It just didn't need to spell everything out in words of 1 syllable with lots of repetition getting in the way of the story to make the point. They just told stories in a future universe where it was just accepted. As such I grew up seeing all these things as normal, so I object to being preached and patronised.
I'd find it just as stupid if they'd written Disco to preach that all men were over the top heterosexuals with the women folk reduced to lying on their backs or making dinner.
But ST has been inclusive from day 1 - it's had race stories, same sex relationship stories, non binary gender stories. It just didn't need to spell everything out in words of 1 syllable with lots of repetition getting in the way of the story to make the point. They just told stories in a future universe where it was just accepted. As such I grew up seeing all these things as normal, so I object to being preached and patronised.
I'd find it just as stupid if they'd written Disco to preach that all men were over the top heterosexuals with the women folk reduced to lying on their backs or making dinner.
Guvernator said:
I've never met any real life Trek fan who actually liked Discovery but then I am middle aged. Maybe the younger generation like it and that's the problem they seem to struggle with time and again. Trying to bring in new viewers while not alienating or even pissing off original fans is a fine line that they often get wrong.
I've never met anyone in real life who likes Star Trek. I've spoken to friends, family, colleagues... The only time I can ever discuss it with someone is online.I can see why initially they wanted to move away from traditional TNG style Trek. Away from us middle aged fans, TNG style Star Trek has a very poor reputation.
AlexC1981 said:
I've never met anyone in real life who likes Star Trek. I've spoken to friends, family, colleagues... The only time I can ever discuss it with someone is online.
I can see why initially they wanted to move away from traditional TNG style Trek. Away from us middle aged fans, TNG style Star Trek has a very poor reputation.
You need to get better friends, I've know half a dozen at least who think TNG is mostly brilliant.I can see why initially they wanted to move away from traditional TNG style Trek. Away from us middle aged fans, TNG style Star Trek has a very poor reputation.
Flip Martian said:
I'm hoping they don't bother with the Section 31 spin off (especially now Michelle Yeoh has won an oscar which will see her price go up).
I was watching Everything Everywhere all at once the other day, and was chatting to my wife about the other things she’d been in. I completely forgot about Discovery, which says a lot really.juggsy said:
Flip Martian said:
I'm hoping they don't bother with the Section 31 spin off (especially now Michelle Yeoh has won an oscar which will see her price go up).
I was watching Everything Everywhere all at once the other day, and was chatting to my wife about the other things she’d been in. I completely forgot about Discovery, which says a lot really.
Guvernator said:
Things like The Mandalorian and Picard Season 3 show what can be achieved when they stop interfering and just let people who understand the shows do it properly.
I think you spoke to soon WRT The Mandalorian. Season 3 has got off to an ignominious start, but it was doomed when 'person who understood the show and was doing it properly (John Favreau)' clashed with 'interfering woke producer' (Kathleen Kennedy) and lost. The ending of season 2 was effectively reset thanks to interference in the Boba Fett spin-off series, and now The Mandalorian has gone from a strong male character to a misguided religious obsessive who needs a strong female to rescue him.If you had said 'Andor' above you would be closer to the mark.
Evercross said:
I think you spoke to soon WRT The Mandalorian. Season 3 has got off to an ignominious start, but it was doomed when 'person who understood the show and was doing it properly (John Favreau)' clashed with 'interfering woke producer' (Kathleen Kennedy) and lost. The ending of season 2 was effectively reset thanks to interference in the Boba Fett spin-off series, and now The Mandalorian has gone from a strong male character to a misguided religious obsessive who needs a strong female to rescue him.
If you had said 'Andor' above you would be closer to the mark.
I fear you may be right, I've not been impressed with Mando Season 3 so far. I didn't know the background but it just felt off, now I know why. If you had said 'Andor' above you would be closer to the mark.
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