Patrick Stewart to return as Picard

[sbk1972]

I like this thread, it's a safe area where I can admit my Star Trek addiction without fear or judgement, like the 21st Century :-)

Back to 7of9, I may be wrong but Im sure I read a story that she was with a guy who enjoying swinging and was recorded / divorcing him etc. Or am I imaging that ?

[rider73]

sbk1972 said:

I like this thread, it's a safe area where I can admit my Star Trek addiction without fear or judgement, like the 21st Century :-)

unless your a Synth, cos us factory workers call you names and degrad you - although we've all moved on beyond these things in the future .... until this show came along.

anyone notice the lack of "aliens" in this show - theres a lot of humans and pointy eared roms/vulcs, but thats it.....perhaps they dont like visting our solar system anymore.....

[Guvernator]

Yep I can sort of understand the backlash against synths as they killed thousands of people, even if it was all some nefarious plot but I'm still not loving the general xenophobia and paranoia of the Federation in Picard.

Maybe it will be explained as the Romulans turning the Federation from within but I doubt the writers are that clever tbh. I just find it odd that several hundred years of enlightenment seems to have been undone in just over a decade.

I'm still enjoying it but this isn't the Federation we knew, I just think the writers have got a bit caught up in the modern trend of making shows "dark and gritty", Trek was never really dark. It's the show you watched to inspire you about a better, brighter future.

[FourWheelDrift]

rider73 said:

unless your a Synth, cos us factory workers call you names and degrad you - although we've all moved on beyond these things in the future .... until this show came along.

anyone notice the lack of "aliens" in this show - theres a lot of humans and pointy eared roms/vulcs, but thats it.....perhaps they dont like visting our solar system anymore.....

The Federation is a lot smaller because of the systems that left the Federation after Starfleet agreed to help the Romulans. Subtle to thin out the aliens to mostly Vulcan and Romulan.

[Getragdogleg]

FourWheelDrift said:

rider73 said:

unless your a Synth, cos us factory workers call you names and degrad you - although we've all moved on beyond these things in the future .... until this show came along.

anyone notice the lack of "aliens" in this show - theres a lot of humans and pointy eared roms/vulcs, but thats it.....perhaps they dont like visting our solar system anymore.....

The Federation is a lot smaller because of the systems that left the Federation after Starfleet agreed to help the Romulans. Subtle to thin out the aliens to mostly Vulcan and Romulan.

Like a sort of, "Trexit" almost.

[dxg]

slipstream 1985 said:

carl_w said:

slipstream 1985 said:

The idea is that humanity has bettred themselves and no longer chase monetary things. everyone has clean living quarters replicators to provide anything you need.

I imagine most undesirable jobs have been automated or just engineered out of society.
The federation maybe is Socialism in it's truest form?

So anyone who fancies some of JL's wine can just teleport over and help themselves?

I'm also assuming there are no "have nots" in society and zero theft.

I imagine the federation future is one when the annual purge of the poor has has the effect of wiping out the poor

There will *always* be theft. Some people will want the thrill of stealing. The only way to get rid of theft is to get rid of the concept of property. But even monkeys have that, so...

[Flip Martian]

Guvernator said:

Yep I can sort of understand the backlash against synths as they killed thousands of people, even if it was all some nefarious plot but I'm still not loving the general xenophobia and paranoia of the Federation in Picard.

Maybe it will be explained as the Romulans turning the Federation from within but I doubt the writers are that clever tbh. I just find it odd that several hundred years of enlightenment seems to have been undone in just over a decade.

I'm still enjoying it but this isn't the Federation we knew, I just think the writers have got a bit caught up in the modern trend of making shows "dark and gritty", Trek was never really dark. It's the show you watched to inspire you about a better, brighter future.

Agree with that. But I guess DS9 was a bit in that direction (in a 90s way, so not too far gone)

[rider73]

Guvernator said:

Yep I can sort of understand the backlash against synths as they killed thousands of people, even if it was all some nefarious plot but I'm still not loving the general xenophobia and paranoia of the Federation in Picard.

Maybe it will be explained as the Romulans turning the Federation from within but I doubt the writers are that clever tbh. I just find it odd that several hundred years of enlightenment seems to have been undone in just over a decade.

I'm still enjoying it but this isn't the Federation we knew, I just think the writers have got a bit caught up in the modern trend of making shows "dark and gritty", Trek was never really dark. It's the show you watched to inspire you about a better, brighter future.

The Synth hate (taht i was referencing in my post) was before that happened though - then the Synth went nuts and killed them all and itself.

I think one of the big things of DS9 was we saw in even more detail how everyone managed to get along - so i feel this series a bit jarring in undoing all of that just to give us a plotline for this series.a little bit like ST:Discovery did.....

[irocfan]

Guvernator said:

Maybe it will be explained as the Romulans turning the Federation from within but I doubt the writers are that clever tbh. I just find it odd that several hundred years of enlightenment seems to have been undone in just over a decade.

<ahem> Nazi Germany (ok not federation style enlightened, but not a pit of depravity either)...

[irocfan]

sbk1972 said:

Back to 7of9, I may be wrong but Im sure I read a story that she was with a guy who enjoying swinging and was recorded / divorcing him etc. Or am I imaging that ?

yup - I read that too. Wonder if she ever dressed up as 7.... oops stop day-dreaming! In all seriousness (IIRC) the news at the time hinted it was quite a nasty relationship.

[cologne2792]

irocfan said:

sbk1972 said:

Back to 7of9, I may be wrong but Im sure I read a story that she was with a guy who enjoying swinging and was recorded / divorcing him etc. Or am I imaging that ?

yup - I read that too. Wonder if she ever dressed up as 7.... oops stop day-dreaming! In all seriousness (IIRC) the news at the time hinted it was quite a nasty relationship.

Borrowed from Wiki but it's representative of other write ups at the time and potentially changed the path of American Politics:

In 1990 the actress met investment banker and future Republican political candidate Jack Ryan. The couple married on June 15, 1991, and had a son, Alex, on August 15, 1994. Throughout the marriage, they took turns commuting between Los Angeles and Chicago for their careers, but divorced on August 27, 1999. Although Ryan mentioned in an interview for Star Trek that the frequent separations had been difficult for the marriage, the reasons for the divorce were kept sealed at their mutual request. A few years after she joined the Voyager cast, Ryan began dating Star Trek: Voyager producer Brannon Braga.

When Jack Ryan's campaign for an open United States Senate seat in Illinois began in 2003, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have his records released. Both Jeri and Jack agreed to make their divorce, but not custody, records public, saying their release could be harmful to their son.

On June 18, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider agreed to release the custody files. The decision generated much controversy, because it went against both parents' direct request and reversed the decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. It was revealed that six years earlier, Jeri had accused Jack Ryan of asking her to perform sexual acts with him in public, and in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips, and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling." Jack denied these allegations. Although Jeri only made a brief statement, and she refused to comment on the matter during the campaign, the document disclosure led Jack to withdraw his candidacy;his main opponent, Barack Obama, then won the 2004 United States Senate election in Illinois.

[Catatafish]

carl_w said:

o anyone who fancies some of JL's wine can just teleport over and help themselves?

Everyone has free access to replicators and energy - it's a post scarcity society. Anyone who wants a glass of wine can order up a bucketload (or anything else they want) but they tend to harp on about replicated stuff being inferior in the non-kurtzmann trek, so connoisseurs or pretentious types might seek out chateau Picard to get some of the proper stuff.

Who knows if Picard just makes it for something to do, or had a passion for it in the past. He may just give it away.

[geeks]

Catatafish said:

carl_w said:

o anyone who fancies some of JL's wine can just teleport over and help themselves?

Everyone has free access to replicators and energy - it's a post scarcity society. Anyone who wants a glass of wine can order up a bucketload (or anything else they want) but they tend to harp on about replicated stuff being inferior in the non-kurtzmann trek, so connoisseurs or pretentious types might seek out chateau Picard to get some of the proper stuff.

Who knows if Picard just makes it for something to do, or had a passion for it in the past. He may just give it away.

The Picard vineyard is a well established storyline from TNG, although I remember the episode where we was told his brother had died I did think he had a nephew and a sister in law still, they haven't mentioned this yet though.

[FourWheelDrift]

His brother and nephew I think died in the fire.

[james_TW]

FourWheelDrift said:

His brother and nephew I think died in the fire.

The did in the film Generations - Well, it was announced then, anyway. Such an odd thing to do really - and a shame.

[geeks]

james_TW said:

FourWheelDrift said:

His brother and nephew I think died in the fire.

The did in the film Generations - Well, it was announced then, anyway. Such an odd thing to do really - and a shame.

Ah cheers guys, I had forgotten his nephew had died as well, I remember now, all the Nexus stuff has come flooding back...

It drove Picards Nexus illusion about having never had a family himself following the sadness he felt that his nephew died at such a young age!

[slipstream 1985]

geeks said:

james_TW said:

FourWheelDrift said:

His brother and nephew I think died in the fire.

The did in the film Generations - Well, it was announced then, anyway. Such an odd thing to do really - and a shame.

Ah cheers guys, I had forgotten his nephew had died as well, I remember now, all the Nexus stuff has come flooding back...

It drove Picards Nexus illusion about having never had a family himself following the sadness he felt that his nephew died at such a young age!

It was done to make him think out about missing out on family life by picking a life of starfleet. Then his very next mission he met a hot 400 year old woman started to fall in love with her and has apparently forgotton about her.

Strange thing is in Picard he admits to wallowing over datas death for 20 years but in TNG data and Geordie were close friends. It was the big screen films (first contact) onwards that the Picard and Data bromance came to the fore.

[AlexC1981]

rider73 said:

unless your a Synth, cos us factory workers call you names and degrad you - although we've all moved on beyond these things in the future .... until this show came along.

anyone notice the lack of "aliens" in this show - theres a lot of humans and pointy eared roms/vulcs, but thats it.....perhaps they dont like visting our solar system anymore.....

There is precedent. The crew of Voyager were dismissive, even rude to the EMH Doctor for quite a while. There was plenty of racism in DS9 from Humans against Ferengi and Cardassians even before the Dominion war. McCoy had some plenty of race related nicknames for Spock before they became friends.

[james_TW]

AlexC1981 said:

rider73 said:

unless your a Synth, cos us factory workers call you names and degrad you - although we've all moved on beyond these things in the future .... until this show came along.

anyone notice the lack of "aliens" in this show - theres a lot of humans and pointy eared roms/vulcs, but thats it.....perhaps they dont like visting our solar system anymore.....

There is precedent. The crew of Voyager were dismissive, even rude to the EMH Doctor for quite a while. There was plenty of racism in DS9 from Humans against Ferengi and Cardassians even before the Dominion war. McCoy had some plenty of race related nicknames for Spock before they became friends.

And Kirk loved the Klingons...

[james_TW]

Just watched this week's - much better and the ending was definitely TNG worthy