Chernobyl (HBO Mini Series)

Chernobyl (HBO Mini Series)

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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

1,177 posts

19 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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llewop said:
eek

also outside the footprint, which appears to be Baltic centric.

sarcophagus should be irrelevant now unless it collapses and takes out the NSC with it. The plan will be to take its roof off at some point but I suspect they won't reach that point for a while, although I'm not getting the updates I used to.
Sorry I meant NSC... The big metal tenty thing on a track... Typing while having lunch.

You should do a thread on it... Enough folks on here working in the industry to appreciate it.

llewop

3,294 posts

175 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
The big metal tenty thing on a track...

You should do a thread on it... Enough folks on here working in the industry to appreciate it.
rofl that's one of the best descriptions of it yet.

I did once upon a time, might have started whilst I was there but also after I'd got back. Which as Facebook reminded me recently with one of its 'you posted this X years ago.....' from when I left. X = 8 years! getmecoat

Mazinbrum

474 posts

142 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Welshbeef said:
I’ve not seen any of this in the news could you provide a link?
This is the place https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ch...

100% rumour so take with a pinch of salt but it did come from someone in a Baltic country. Will see what happens.

Gary C

7,663 posts

143 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Gary C said:
Lol

As someone who knows more than the basic facts (though not as a theoretical physicist), actually does the job as a nuclear operations engineer and is authorised as a Duly Authorised Person and an Emergency Controller under a UK ONR site licence in a UK power plant and has spent time with operators on an RBMK in Russia as part of a Uk Government Department of Trade and Industry assist visit (i'm actually classed by uk government as a 'nuclear operations expert' !)...

I found it very watchable and very touching. The way it describes the basic reactor dynamics is actually very clever and while there are some calculation inaccuracies, some were real ones made at the time.

I must say though, there is the bit in the BBC drama when the explosion occurs and the operator puts his hand to his face in sheer terror, THAT sends real shivers down my spine just thinking of it. I felt that was actually done a little bit more realistically in the way the operators talked and acted.
Which one? I did a week at ignalina in the late 90s. Fascinating plants. I was there for an IAEA mission. It was a real eye opener. Got pissed with the plant manager on the last night and we spun dits all evening... In English... The following day during the feedback session he didn't speak a word of English... rofl

Amazing country... Must go back at some point.

And back on topic, everyone who I work with, from core design folks to ops, thought it was an incredible programme.
I was at Smolensk.

We got pissed quite a lot too. Had a audience with the station manager, I was white as a sheet and sweating ! everybody thought it was funny.

They do breathalyse every single member of staff as they come onto site, with that stuff (Vodka in the UK is total crap, Russian stuff is so easy to drink, especially when cooled in the freezer).

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

1,177 posts

19 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Gary C said:
I was at Smolensk.

We got pissed quite a lot too. Had a audience with the station manager, I was white as a sheet and sweating ! everybody thought it was funny.

They do breathalyse every single member of staff as they come onto site, with that stuff (Vodka in the UK is total crap, Russian stuff is so easy to drink, especially when cooled in the freezer).
I was promised it didn't give you a hangover... They lied.

Breakfast was an onion and dried meat salad vomit

Gary C

7,663 posts

143 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Gary C said:
I was at Smolensk.

We got pissed quite a lot too. Had a audience with the station manager, I was white as a sheet and sweating ! everybody thought it was funny.

They do breathalyse every single member of staff as they come onto site, with that stuff (Vodka in the UK is total crap, Russian stuff is so easy to drink, especially when cooled in the freezer).
I was promised it didn't give you a hangover... They lied.

Breakfast was an onion and dried meat salad vomit
I think I slept through most of the hangover, they woke me up with a cake and a coffee then we were trooped to the station managers office for a talk while he stood under a portrait of Putin. smile

I needed an emergency 'visit' and got taken to the executive bathrooms, was interesting to see all the soviet era offices with their wax door seals so the occupants could see if the KGB had been into them. Which reminds me, our FSB minder was also drunk all the time smile


I do also remember the huge amount of fish served at every banquet !, because we were sponsored by the Department of Trade and Industry, they had an excuse to make every evening meal an official one while we were on site. They then told us it was a Russian custom for the hosts and guests to toast in turn and that it was rude to leave much more than 10 minutes between each response.

Epic.

Edited by Gary C on Monday 29th June 18:43

LukeBrown66

661 posts

10 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Aren't there numerous other sites using the same tech as Chernobyl? Shocked nothing else has happened, am presuming things were changed post the incident to prevent more incidents!!

Gary C

7,663 posts

143 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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LukeBrown66 said:
Aren't there numerous other sites using the same tech as Chernobyl? Shocked nothing else has happened, am presuming things were changed post the incident to prevent more incidents!!
Yep, lots of changes.

Not least were the human performance changes which I was part of. We did a lot of operator exchange programs and training. We were in the control room of one unit and asked about their operating procedures and an operator proudly showed us a cabinet of pristine manuals. He was a little shocked when he saw our dogeared versions and then understood that, while we understand what we are doing, we read our instructions and follow them.

There were also lots of technical changes to prevent the same accident.

One error in the HBO series was the large computer screens in the control room, they didn't have them

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

1,177 posts

19 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Gary C said:
Yep, lots of changes.

Not least were the human performance changes which I was part of. We did a lot of operator exchange programs and training. We were in the control room of one unit and asked about their operating procedures and an operator proudly showed us a cabinet of pristine manuals. He was a little shocked when he saw our dogeared versions and then understood that, while we understand what we are doing, we read our instructions and follow them.

There were also lots of technical changes to prevent the same accident.

One error in the HBO series was the large computer screens in the control room, they didn't have them
When I went in the MCR, they had just reinstated smoking permission. I asked why... Our chaperone opened the access door at the end of panels and took me behind to show me the cigeratte burns on the backs of some (class 2 meters IIRC but could have been C1) ... I had to admit this was a wise choice rofl

This was late 90s and every desk had an lcd panel on it... The west chucked a lot of wedge at making RBMKs safer.

Would love to see how much we (the west) spent... It can't have been much more expensive for WEC or GE to throw up some PWRs instead.



Vickers_VC10

6,075 posts

169 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Drclarke said:
El stovey said:
No spoilers please!
Sorry but I am going to have to spoil it.

The reactor catches fire, there is a bloody Big Bang and lots of destruction.
Get him out of here, he's delirious.

It was a hydrogen tank explosion and some mild contamination from the feedwater! How else can an RMBK reactor explode. Donut.

Gary C

7,663 posts

143 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Vickers_VC10 said:
Drclarke said:
El stovey said:
No spoilers please!
Sorry but I am going to have to spoil it.

The reactor catches fire, there is a bloody Big Bang and lots of destruction.
Get him out of here, he's delirious.

It was a hydrogen tank explosion and some mild contamination from the feedwater! How else can an RMBK reactor explode. Donut.
and the radiation was within limits, the meters told them so !

littlebasher

3,170 posts

135 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Gary C said:
and the radiation was within limits, the meters told them so !
It was only 3.6 Roentgen. Not great, not terrible

llewop

3,294 posts

175 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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littlebasher said:
Gary C said:
and the radiation was within limits, the meters told them so !
It was only 3.6 Roentgen. Not great, not terrible
that does appear to be the quote that has stuck in peoples heads!

In a parallel; the other day I was looking at a procedure that said if dose rate was >10Sv/h on instrument A, go get instrument B. Since that was full scale for instrument A..... Not a location I or anyone else was planning to be I hasten to add!

Clockwork Cupcake

65,656 posts

236 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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llewop said:
that does appear to be the quote that has stuck in peoples heads!
It's certainly memorable, not least because it lends itself so well to memes. smile

But, also, it absolutely epitomises the initial refusal to acknowledge how serious the situation was and to grasp at false hope.

Gary C

7,663 posts

143 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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llewop said:
that does appear to be the quote that has stuck in peoples heads!

In a parallel; the other day I was looking at a procedure that said if dose rate was >10Sv/h on instrument A, go get instrument B. Since that was full scale for instrument A..... Not a location I or anyone else was planning to be I hasten to add!
10Sv/hr ! crikey

I remember, my lifetime dose was 3mSv when I went to Russia and I doubled that in one day looking into the ponds and watching refuelling at Smolensk.

Call me Bob

1 posts

7 months

Monday 28th September 2020
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Andy S15 said:
Just wanted to say a quick thanks to all those in the trade who have posted some fascinating insights into the world of nuclear energy. It's really added to my enjoyment of this series.

Chernobyl has been a personal interest of mine for about 15 years, and I jumped for joy when I watched the trailer for this series 6 months or so ago - I'd always wanted a series like this and it exceeded my expectations. I had been looking into doing a tour back in the days where it was more akin to you being smuggled into the zone... expect the prices of this to increase these days though as it's bound to become more popular now! Fantastic series respectfully created. Bravo.

For those unaware - I believe this website was one of the earliest to document a visit into the zone with lots of great pictures on the 'net. Lots of pictures before things were quite so overgrown too. Glad it's still up, even if it i very dated now, it's well worth some of your time: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/

Edited by Andy S15 on Friday 7th June 08:18
just found out that Elena still travel to Chernobyl, here is video from her latest trips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GeXGiPcHtE

pidsy

6,248 posts

121 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Channel 5 now.

Ben fogle goes to the zone. Some interesting bits so far but Ben is an awful presenter for the subject.

p1stonhead

24,964 posts

131 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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pidsy said:
Channel 5 now.

Ben fogle goes to the zone. Some interesting bits so far but Ben is an awful presenter for the subject.
Imagine reading this as the description on the TV guide hehe

TTmonkey

16,858 posts

211 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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pidsy said:
Channel 5 now.

Ben fogle goes to the zone. Some interesting bits so far but Ben is an awful presenter for the subject.
He’s five years to late to make this either interesting or daring.

El stovey

37,944 posts

227 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Does Ben manage to get his kit off? In all the ‘new lives in the wild’ etc series he always manages a swim in a river or a bath or something so the mums can oogle him.