Chernobyl (HBO Mini Series)
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There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Scabutz said:
There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Have you see the China Syndrome? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_SyndromeWatching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
"The March 1979 release was met with backlash from the nuclear power industry's claims of it being 'sheer fiction' and a 'character assassination of an entire industry'. Twelve days later, the Three Mile Island nuclear accident occurred in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania"
Scabutz said:
There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Just watched it, lies lies, cover up what else don’t we know.Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Just look up davis-besse reactor pressure vessel head degradation.
Time after time, the engineering advice was ignored and commercial performance was put ahead of nuclear safety.
The plant achieved the highest INPO ratings, right up until they found that the head had corroded almost through.
It was the worst nuclear accident that never happened.
Time after time, the engineering advice was ignored and commercial performance was put ahead of nuclear safety.
The plant achieved the highest INPO ratings, right up until they found that the head had corroded almost through.
It was the worst nuclear accident that never happened.
Gary C said:
Just look up davis-besse reactor pressure vessel head degradation.
Time after time, the engineering advice was ignored and commercial performance was put ahead of nuclear safety.
The plant achieved the highest INPO ratings, right up until they found that the head had corroded almost through.
It was the worst nuclear accident that never happened.
And their other near miss... Which was almost as bad. NRC (US Regulator for the acronym averse) base one of the their training courses on it. It used to be on the Internet and is an interesting read. It's a catalogue of misread data, partially stuck valves, etc.Time after time, the engineering advice was ignored and commercial performance was put ahead of nuclear safety.
The plant achieved the highest INPO ratings, right up until they found that the head had corroded almost through.
It was the worst nuclear accident that never happened.
ETA https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
NUREG 1201 document if the link doesn't work. Total loss of feed water event.
Edited by take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey on Tuesday 10th May 23:14
FourWheelDrift said:
Scabutz said:
There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Have you see the China Syndrome? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_SyndromeWatching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
"The March 1979 release was met with backlash from the nuclear power industry's claims of it being 'sheer fiction' and a 'character assassination of an entire industry'. Twelve days later, the Three Mile Island nuclear accident occurred in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania"
t up......oh st its almost happening over here in the same fking place.Scabutz said:
There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
The Japanese, for all their reputation on fastidiousness and efficiency/ quality did the same.Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Its a global, human failing, and one we need to be very careful of due to the consequences...
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
And their other near miss... Which was almost as bad. NRC (US Regulator for the acronym averse) base one of the their training courses on it. It used to be on the Internet and is an interesting read. It's a catalogue of misread data, partially stuck valves, etc.
ETA https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
NUREG 1201 document if the link doesn't work. Total loss of feed water event.
Yes, I was going to mention that one too. I have the event report at work and it reads like a mini-series all by itself.ETA https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
NUREG 1201 document if the link doesn't work. Total loss of feed water event.
Edited by take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey on Tuesday 10th May 23:14
I attended a week long INPO managers professional development centre once and we did a bit on Operation Experience and the number of events on top rated INPO sites was disturbing. The one level lower stations seemed to have much better safety performance.
It was almost as if the top rated sites put more effort into appearing to be at a high standard, than actually sorting out issues to achieve a high standard. I made this point to the INPO manager, he paused for a moment as if it had never occurred to him, then acknowledged that it might be true.
Problem is, the pay and bonus's of quite a few exec's depend on achieving high INPO standards, and that's just not right.
Are we perfect in the UK ?, of course not but in my 39 years in the industry and 34 years in AGR's we don't have that same attitude amongst the station staff and exec team.
Gary C said:
Yes, I was going to mention that one too. I have the event report at work and it reads like a mini-series all by itself.
I attended a week long INPO managers professional development centre once and we did a bit on Operation Experience and the number of events on top rated INPO sites was disturbing. The one level lower stations seemed to have much better safety performance.
It was almost as if the top rated sites put more effort into appearing to be at a high standard, than actually sorting out issues to achieve a high standard. I made this point to the INPO manager, he paused for a moment as if it had never occurred to him, then acknowledged that it might be true.
Problem is, the pay and bonus's of quite a few exec's depend on achieving high INPO standards, and that's just not right.
Are we perfect in the UK ?, of course not but in my 39 years in the industry and 34 years in AGR's we don't have that same attitude amongst the station staff and exec team.
I've sat on a couple of IAEA guide committees and in one of the sessions the IAEA lead gave a presentation on just how many I in a million year near misses / accidents we've had internationally just in power generation I attended a week long INPO managers professional development centre once and we did a bit on Operation Experience and the number of events on top rated INPO sites was disturbing. The one level lower stations seemed to have much better safety performance.
It was almost as if the top rated sites put more effort into appearing to be at a high standard, than actually sorting out issues to achieve a high standard. I made this point to the INPO manager, he paused for a moment as if it had never occurred to him, then acknowledged that it might be true.
Problem is, the pay and bonus's of quite a few exec's depend on achieving high INPO standards, and that's just not right.
Are we perfect in the UK ?, of course not but in my 39 years in the industry and 34 years in AGR's we don't have that same attitude amongst the station staff and exec team.
I may have posted this before... But an interesting peruse over a tea break.
https://www.lutins.org/nukes.html#:~:text=tabulate...
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
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Scabutz said:
There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Was looking for it under Fallout, it’s called Meltdown: Three Mile Island. Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
I've sat on a couple of IAEA guide committees and in one of the sessions the IAEA lead gave a presentation on just how many I in a million year near misses / accidents we've had internationally just in power generation
I may have posted this before... But an interesting peruse over a tea break.
https://www.lutins.org/nukes.html#:~:text=tabulate...
On a sort of related note, the excellent and very listenable Cautionary Tales podcast has an episode called 'La La Land: Galileo's Warning'I may have posted this before... But an interesting peruse over a tea break.
https://www.lutins.org/nukes.html#:~:text=tabulate...
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7nRoUXEkyR1W8oG1P...
Galileo tried to teach us that adding more and more layers to a system intended to avert disaster often makes catastrophe all the more likely to happen. His basic lesson has been ignored in nuclear power plants, financial markets and at the Oscars... all resulting in chaos
ben5575 said:
On a sort of related note, the excellent and very listenable Cautionary Tales podcast has an episode called 'La La Land: Galileo's Warning'
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7nRoUXEkyR1W8oG1P...
Galileo tried to teach us that adding more and more layers to a system intended to avert disaster often makes catastrophe all the more likely to happen. His basic lesson has been ignored in nuclear power plants, financial markets and at the Oscars... all resulting in chaos
I couldn't agree more...but the industry is changing. EPR, I suspect, is the last very active plant design we'll see. It's contemporary, the AP1000, was a very different design in terms of emergency systems. https://open.spotify.com/episode/7nRoUXEkyR1W8oG1P...
Galileo tried to teach us that adding more and more layers to a system intended to avert disaster often makes catastrophe all the more likely to happen. His basic lesson has been ignored in nuclear power plants, financial markets and at the Oscars... all resulting in chaos
The problem with complex systems is you need more experts to understand them. The more experts needed, the greater the risk of really important stuff falling between the cracks.
It's an interesting time to be in nuclear as a lot of the SMR and ANT (advanced nuke tech) vendors look more like silicon Valley start ups than your old CEGB Westinghouse type orgs.
KAgantua said:
Scabutz said:
There is a documentary on Netflix called Fallout. Its about the Three Mile Island accident. Small amount of dramatisation but mostly talking heads of people involved and archive footage. It's good, thought anyone that was interested in Chernobyl would like it.
Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
The Japanese, for all their reputation on fastidiousness and efficiency/ quality did the same.Watching it though there are times when you think the US weren't really any better than the USSR. They lied about the severity, cut corners with the cleanup, punished whistleblowers.
Its a global, human failing, and one we need to be very careful of due to the consequences...
Can’t recall the title, but absolutely shocking reading.
Vipers said:
I recall reading a book about the number of nuclear accidents in the states it included a nuclear bomb which was dropped from a plane by accident in America, which fortunately didn’t explode, and one which was left somewhere for years as they had forgot about it.
Can’t recall the title, but absolutely shocking reading.
There have actually been 32 "Broken Arrow" incidents. Can’t recall the title, but absolutely shocking reading.
Of those, 6 involve nuclear weapons that remain lost and unaccounted-for.
See
https://www.atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrow...
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Vipers said:
I recall reading a book about the number of nuclear accidents in the states it included a nuclear bomb which was dropped from a plane by accident in America, which fortunately didn’t explode, and one which was left somewhere for years as they had forgot about it.
Can’t recall the title, but absolutely shocking reading.
There have actually been 32 "Broken Arrow" incidents. Can’t recall the title, but absolutely shocking reading.
Of those, 6 involve nuclear weapons that remain lost and unaccounted-for.
See
https://www.atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrow...
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