Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker
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Rick_1138 said:
the most aggravating thing in the trailer was 3PO saying he wanted to remember his friends....
It's time travel I'm telling you! 
They will have to wipe his mind so he doesn't know the future, or some nonsense like that.HorneyMX5 said:
For me RO is bested only by ANH, a properly great film.
I might put Empire Strikes Back above it, but I certainly found it much better than a lot of the reviewers and fan YouTube channels did, really enjoyable.
FunkyNige said:
Rick_1138 said:
the most aggravating thing in the trailer was 3PO saying he wanted to remember his friends....
It's time travel I'm telling you! They will have to wipe his mind so he doesn't know the future, or some nonsense like that.Also...Threepio... hope he gets shot to s
t, can't really like him anymore, not since we know how much of a dick he was on set for years. Everyone would go for lunch and leave him, because of his stty attitude. 
Halb said:
I know RLM predicted it, and they were on the ball with SOlo...but...I mean...c'mon! Time travel in STar Wars? I think that is scraping the barrel. I reckon it'll be clones and vats or something. Star Destroyers in storage and the round radar dish replacing a broken rectangle one.
Maybe they will go back in time and kill Rian Johnson's mother before he can be born? Halb said:
I know RLM predicted it, and they were on the ball with SOlo...but...I mean...c'mon! Time travel in STar Wars? I think that is scraping the barrel. I reckon it'll be clones and vats or something. Star Destroyers in storage and the round radar dish replacing a broken rectangle one.
I know, but it's fun to take a crazy theory and try and try to fit some facts to it 
Pesty said:
Rick_1138 said:
Its idiocy like this that makes me sad to be a Star wars fan nowadays.
https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/04/13/star-war...
It was a bit of fun from the official star wars feed, basically rebel or empire, and folk see people liking the first order and saying all these people are nazi's...Jesus wept, these are the current crop Disney want to try and get to like the Franchise with the new films, as far as im concerned they should maybe just forget about them and not pander to the idiocy.
I like the Empire because they had cooler ships, not because i prefer their particular variation of Galactic fascism....good god.
Cooler ships? The x wing and falcon were coolest.https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/04/13/star-war...
It was a bit of fun from the official star wars feed, basically rebel or empire, and folk see people liking the first order and saying all these people are nazi's...Jesus wept, these are the current crop Disney want to try and get to like the Franchise with the new films, as far as im concerned they should maybe just forget about them and not pander to the idiocy.
I like the Empire because they had cooler ships, not because i prefer their particular variation of Galactic fascism....good god.
However the rebels are murdering terrorist scum.
I’d join Darth, He cant do it alone.
The Interceptor and Super Star Destroyer are my fave ships. but I do have a soft spot for Mon Cal cruisers
.B - Wing is my fave rebel ship.
Halb said:
FunkyNige said:
Rick_1138 said:
the most aggravating thing in the trailer was 3PO saying he wanted to remember his friends....
It's time travel I'm telling you! They will have to wipe his mind so he doesn't know the future, or some nonsense like that.Also...Threepio... hope he gets shot to s
t, can't really like him anymore, not since we know how much of a dick he was on set for years. Everyone would go for lunch and leave him, because of his stty attitude. k you C3PO.<editted for spelling>
Edited by generationx on Thursday 24th October 07:55
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Just to be clear, isn't the Trilogy following a story that was written in the beginning? Most of the complaints seem to be how so and so has done this re-written that-are you seriously telling me there isn't a story arc that's being followed from the beginning?
It'd be interesting if it wasn't written as a trilogy. Star Wars (A New Hope) certainly wasn't intended to be the first film in a trilogy, and there are still signs in The Empire Strikes Back that George Lucas hadn't thought about or resolved some fairly key points.Regarding some of the many Star Wars obsessives we now have, someone presciently wrote this about them during a largely negative review of the new film in 1977.
"This picture was made for those (particularly males) who carry a portable shrine within them of their adolescence, a chalice of a Self that was Better Then before the world's affairs or- in any complex way- sex intruded".
Bit pseudy but really hit the nail on the head.
From what i heard - Lucas had more than just an outline for 6 films but condensed some of it in to 1 - Star Wars , when it became mega, they changed the title to Star Wars A New Hope Episode IV, which confused everyone, and he went to work on the other 2, with some bits from his original work and some bits from other writers , brought in to polish things up - Lucas was so busy after the first movie with writing and producing and getting all GEEKY over the effects/models he handed over direction for Empire Strikes back - one of the best films of all and ROTJ - not the best but good enough to finish on.
When he then decided to do the first 3 decades later, he decided to write, direct them all, and yes we see the result - flashes of brilliance, but mostly a dire mess . Most of this storyline was bits left over from his original work. --- and yes we all see the non continuity issues with the original 3 that he seemed to just not care about....
When Disney took it over, they also bought the rights to his "ideas" for the next 3 films, although recent news released say they canned it all and nothing of it remains, and now he doesnt have the IP rights to it , Disney do - and he got upset.
When he then decided to do the first 3 decades later, he decided to write, direct them all, and yes we see the result - flashes of brilliance, but mostly a dire mess . Most of this storyline was bits left over from his original work. --- and yes we all see the non continuity issues with the original 3 that he seemed to just not care about....
When Disney took it over, they also bought the rights to his "ideas" for the next 3 films, although recent news released say they canned it all and nothing of it remains, and now he doesnt have the IP rights to it , Disney do - and he got upset.
JagLover said:
Halb said:
I know RLM predicted it, and they were on the ball with SOlo...but...I mean...c'mon! Time travel in STar Wars? I think that is scraping the barrel. I reckon it'll be clones and vats or something. Star Destroyers in storage and the round radar dish replacing a broken rectangle one.
Maybe they will go back in time and kill Rian Johnson's mother before he can be born? 
rider73 said:
From what i heard - Lucas had more than just an outline for 6 films but condensed some of it in to 1 - Star Wars , when it became mega, they changed the title to Star Wars A New Hope Episode IV, which confused everyone, and he went to work on the other 2, with some bits from his original work and some bits from other writers , brought in to polish things up - Lucas was so busy after the first movie with writing and producing and getting all GEEKY over the effects/models he handed over direction for Empire Strikes back - one of the best films of all and ROTJ - not the best but good enough to finish on.
When he then decided to do the first 3 decades later, he decided to write, direct them all, and yes we see the result - flashes of brilliance, but mostly a dire mess . Most of this storyline was bits left over from his original work. --- and yes we all see the non continuity issues with the original 3 that he seemed to just not care about....
When Disney took it over, they also bought the rights to his "ideas" for the next 3 films, although recent news released say they canned it all and nothing of it remains, and now he doesnt have the IP rights to it , Disney do - and he got upset.
Indeed, however dyer the prequels are, in my opinion pretty much all down to the over use of CGI, they did at least to me have a coherent and flowing story across the trilogy.When he then decided to do the first 3 decades later, he decided to write, direct them all, and yes we see the result - flashes of brilliance, but mostly a dire mess . Most of this storyline was bits left over from his original work. --- and yes we all see the non continuity issues with the original 3 that he seemed to just not care about....
When Disney took it over, they also bought the rights to his "ideas" for the next 3 films, although recent news released say they canned it all and nothing of it remains, and now he doesnt have the IP rights to it , Disney do - and he got upset.
I say CGI, because people critisise [sp] the acting, however it was due to the cast not really acting between themselves, in many case acting in front of a camera, with no opposite reaction to work off, or just acting against a green screen which would be filled in later.
The Disney stuff, has no coherent flowing story. Of the many mistakes Disney have made this is number one in my view. They also should have continued to use George Lucas for his thoughts and should also have maintained somehow what happened in the books of the expanded universe, there's so much good source material there that could last them years.
AshVX220 said:
Indeed, however dyer the prequels are, in my opinion pretty much all down to the over use of CGI, they did at least to me have a coherent and flowing story across the trilogy.
I say CGI, because people critisise [sp] the acting, however it was due to the cast not really acting between themselves, in many case acting in front of a camera, with no opposite reaction to work off, or just acting against a green screen which would be filled in later.
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Far more to it than that. I think you need to watch the Plinkett reviews which go through them all in detail. It was coherent yes but there were basic flaws in the writing. Also in regard to how it looks the issues were not just with the CGI but with Lucas's laziness as a film maker by that point. Many scenes were very static and with just two camera angles. I say CGI, because people critisise [sp] the acting, however it was due to the cast not really acting between themselves, in many case acting in front of a camera, with no opposite reaction to work off, or just acting against a green screen which would be filled in later.
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AshVX220 said:
The Disney stuff, has no coherent flowing story. Of the many mistakes Disney have made this is number one in my view. They also should have continued to use George Lucas for his thoughts and should also have maintained somehow what happened in the books of the expanded universe, there's so much good source material there that could last them years.
They make the mistake of most modern blockbusters. CGI budget $100m. Written by the director and a few lackeys. Few actually use proper writers and so whereas you might get a fully realised world, and characters, in many sci-fi novels a sci-fi movie tends to be generic and disjointed. Yep I also read an article that said Lucas wasn't very happy with the direction they'd taken but I'd say two things about that. Firstly you sold your soul to the devil (Disney) so not sure you can really complain about it after the fact. Personally in his shoes I'd have never sold the IP, there was always a chance Disney were gonna screw this up plus he's already very rich, just how much money do you really need?
Secondly his prequels weren't exactly brilliant either so not sure he can really complain about the new one's not being what he expected. If that was important he should have had it written into the deal with Disney that he'd have control over certain aspects of the overall storyline.
On Disney's treatment of the new trilogy, from articles I've read, it definitely looks like they didn't have the overall story for all 3 mapped out which just seems absolutely nuts to me. However they probably knew they are going to make money no matter what crap they churned out and in truth they are right about that bit.
Secondly his prequels weren't exactly brilliant either so not sure he can really complain about the new one's not being what he expected. If that was important he should have had it written into the deal with Disney that he'd have control over certain aspects of the overall storyline.
On Disney's treatment of the new trilogy, from articles I've read, it definitely looks like they didn't have the overall story for all 3 mapped out which just seems absolutely nuts to me. However they probably knew they are going to make money no matter what crap they churned out and in truth they are right about that bit.
Edited by Guvernator on Thursday 24th October 12:09
generationx said:
With my (C3PO-pictured) ticket in hand and a pen at the ready I politely asked for an autograph, which he refused about as abruptly as any response I've ever had saying he was too busy. fk you C3PO.
<editted for spelling>
Antony Daniels can be really nice or a bit of a knob depending when you catch him. Peter Mayhew was much the same and I've heard similar about Dave Prowse. Have to say though I've met Dave backstage at an event and he was lovely, chatty and amusing.k you C3PO.<editted for spelling>
Edited by generationx on Thursday 24th October 07:55
I'm considering MCM Birmingham because Antony Daniels is one of the few autos I need, maybe catch him early though
Guvernator said:
Yep I also read an article that said Lucas wasn't very happy with the direction they'd taken but I'd say two things about that. Firstly you sold your soul to the devil (Disney) so not sure you can really complain about it after the fact. Personally in his shoes I'd have never sold the IP, there was always a change Disney were gonna screw this up plus he's already very rich, just how much money do you really need?
Secondly his prequels weren't exactly brilliant either so not sure he can really complain about the new one's not being what he expected. If that was important he should have had it written into the deal with Disney that he'd have control over certain aspects of the overall storyline.
On Disney's treatment of the new trilogy, from articles I've read, it definitely looks like they didn't have the overall story for all 3 mapped out which just seems absolutely nuts to me. However they probably knew they are going to make money no matter what crap they churned out and in truth they are right about that bit.
I've listened to a few interviews recently, on more than one of them GL said "I feel like I've sold a child to a white slave trader" END QUOTESecondly his prequels weren't exactly brilliant either so not sure he can really complain about the new one's not being what he expected. If that was important he should have had it written into the deal with Disney that he'd have control over certain aspects of the overall storyline.
On Disney's treatment of the new trilogy, from articles I've read, it definitely looks like they didn't have the overall story for all 3 mapped out which just seems absolutely nuts to me. However they probably knew they are going to make money no matter what crap they churned out and in truth they are right about that bit.
massive regret doesn't even come close
chris4652009 said:
I've listened to a few interviews recently, on more than one of them GL said "I feel like I've sold a child to a white slave trader" END QUOTE
massive regret doesn't even come close
Again I have no idea why he did it. Ok it's a lot of money but he was already a multi-millionaire or maybe even billionaire so he sold his soul to add a few more zero's onto an account he'll never be able to spend in his lifetime anyway!massive regret doesn't even come close
If he just wanted to get the films made but didn't have the energy to do it all himself, he should have had some creative control conditions put in the contract so that he could veto the story.
I just find it really odd that he handed the whole lot over and then complained about it. It's akin to me selling someone my car then complaining that they've abused or crashed it, it's none of my business from the moment I hand over the keys.
George Lucas isn't exactly an nice bloke either. He was a terrible film director too, with the possible exception of American Grafitti.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12910683
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12910683
warch said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Just to be clear, isn't the Trilogy following a story that was written in the beginning? Most of the complaints seem to be how so and so has done this re-written that-are you seriously telling me there isn't a story arc that's being followed from the beginning?
It'd be interesting if it wasn't written as a trilogy. Star Wars (A New Hope) certainly wasn't intended to be the first film in a trilogy, and there are still signs in The Empire Strikes Back that George Lucas hadn't thought about or resolved some fairly key points.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff