Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[chris4652009]

Guvernator said:

chris4652009 said:

I've listened to a few interviews recently, on more than one of them GL said "I feel like I've sold a child to a white slave trader" END QUOTE

massive regret doesn't even come close

Again I have no idea why he did it. Ok it's a lot of money but he was already a multi-millionaire or maybe even billionaire so he sold his soul to add a few more zero's onto an account he'll never be able to spend in his lifetime anyway!

If he just wanted to get the films made but didn't have the energy to do it all himself, he should have had some creative control conditions put in the contract so that he could veto the story.

I just find it really odd that he handed the whole lot over and then complained about it. It's akin to me selling someone my car then complaining that they've abused or crashed it, it's none of my business from the moment I hand over the keys.

He was worried about his age at the time of selling, more specifically not living to finish the story

Editt: He also wanted to retain overall control but that was never going to be an option in Robert Iger's eyes

[Guvernator]

chris4652009 said:

He was worried about his age at the time of selling, more specifically not living to finish the story

Editt: He also wanted to retain overall control but that was never going to be an option in Robert Iger's eyes

The age\energy think I can understand but surely Lucas held all the cards in any deal? These are the conditions, make it happen or go away and I sell to someone else who will.

[chris4652009]

Guvernator said:

chris4652009 said:

He was worried about his age at the time of selling, more specifically not living to finish the story

Editt: He also wanted to retain overall control but that was never going to be an option in Robert Iger's eyes

The age\energy think I can understand but surely Lucas held all the cards in any deal? These are the conditions, make it happen or go away and I sell to someone else who will.

He had an emotional attachment with "Walt Disney"
He's often said he'd have never considered handing Lucasfilms over to ANY other company.

[rider73]

chris4652009 said:

Guvernator said:

chris4652009 said:

He was worried about his age at the time of selling, more specifically not living to finish the story

Editt: He also wanted to retain overall control but that was never going to be an option in Robert Iger's eyes

The age\energy think I can understand but surely Lucas held all the cards in any deal? These are the conditions, make it happen or go away and I sell to someone else who will.

He had an emotional attachment with "Walt Disney"
He's often said he'd have never considered handing Lucasfilms over to ANY other company.

I also thought there was some rumours that studios were not gonig to finance his next star wars movies (he financed the prequels himself)
His next movie (something about pilots in ww2) was knocked back by all studios and he did it himself also - after that i think he's just done the Indiana Jones movie (which was also dire) but had spielberg too with that (as a producer)

[rider73]

and agree with others above about how the expanded universe had some excellent writing / idea's / stories - something Disney immediatley ignored.

[KillerHERTZ]

Prequels: - Great story executed poorly
Sequels: - bad story executed well.

[JagLover]

KillerHERTZ said:

Prequels: - Great story executed poorly
Sequels: - bad story executed well.

By Great story do you mean the potential of the story. In that the story of one man's journey to the dark side, and his relationship with Obi Wan Kenobi and Luke and Leia's mother, could have been great. Or that there was good writing let down by poor directing and CGI.

Because leaving aside oft raised complaints, such as the fact the first movie is about a trade dispute. The writing of the core story is mostly poor throughout.

The only part at all well written about Anakin's descent into the dark side was when he killed the sand people. You were seeing the basic conflict between humanity (the desire for revenge in this instance) and the requirements of the Jedi order. That is what the whole thing should have been about not Cr*p about his wife living forever and then suddenly killing all the younglings.

Similarly with Anakin's relationship. Meeting her as a child in the first film and then some of the most awful romantic scenes ever in the second film.

Edited by JagLover on Thursday 24th October 16:10

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

JagLover said:

Similarly with Anakin's relationship. Meeting her as a child in the first film and then some of the most awful romantic scenes ever in the second film.

Edited by JagLover on Thursday 24th October 16:10

How dare you. That sand chat up line was a piece of art

[Guvernator]

The age gap thing between Anakin and Padme and her meeting him as a boy was ill thought out at best. Imagine if that scenario was the other way round, there'd be cries of outrage. The story should have just picked them both up as young teenagers. Anakin's decent into darkness was also rubbish, waste pretty much two films on teenage angst then have him killing young-lings within 5 minutes in the third.

The sequels and prequels have both been disappointing tbh due to bad plotting and dialogue. The fight scenes and the special effects are the only saving grace but that's really not enough.

[JagLover]

Guvernator said:

The age gap thing between Anakin and Padme and her meeting him as a boy was ill thought out at best. Imagine if that scenario was the other way round, there'd be cries of outrage. The story should have just picked them both up as young teenagers. Anakin's decent into darkness was also rubbish, waste pretty much two films on teenage angst then have him killing young-lings within 5 minutes in the third.
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The thing about Lucas is he is not a great writer and he let his ego get the better of him while surrounded by a host of yes men and women. He made Star Wars work but the core plot to that is as basic and derivative as they come. Farm boy chosen one hero, Princess to be rescued, wise old magician mentor, evil empire.

The prequels were always going to require far better writing because they didn't have such well worn tropes. To credible, and sympathetically, portray one man's descent into darkness and have it feel like a tragedy. Think back a moment to Luke getting angry with Vader in the throne room in ROTJ. We as the audience are with him as he fights back but also are wary of where it might lead. That is the conflict at the heart of it, between the basic instincts of humanity and the requirements of an order of mystic monks.

[AshVX220]

chris4652009 said:

Guvernator said:

chris4652009 said:

He was worried about his age at the time of selling, more specifically not living to finish the story

Editt: He also wanted to retain overall control but that was never going to be an option in Robert Iger's eyes

The age\energy think I can understand but surely Lucas held all the cards in any deal? These are the conditions, make it happen or go away and I sell to someone else who will.

He had an emotional attachment with "Walt Disney"
He's often said he'd have never considered handing Lucasfilms over to ANY other company.

Indeed, the ride Star Tours opened in Disneyland in 1987. Lucas has since then always had an affiliation with Disney. In 1997 they started doing Star Wars weekends (which were bloody excellent, I went in 2012). Whenever it was sold, it was always going to be to Disney.

[Mafffew]

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:

JagLover said:

Similarly with Anakin's relationship. Meeting her as a child in the first film and then some of the most awful romantic scenes ever in the second film.

Edited by JagLover on Thursday 24th October 16:10

How dare you. That sand chat up line was a piece of art

You're both wrong. Padme just losing the will to live was the absolute peak of modern cinema

[warch]

Mafffew said:

Padme just losing the will to live, was the absolute peak of modern cinema

Not as bk curlingly embarrassing as Darth Vader's BIG NOOOOOOO! (Do Not Want!) shortly afterwards. Made even worse by it's later inclusion in the dying moments of Return of the Jedi (Version 7.4).

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

Mafffew said:

You're both wrong. Padme just losing the will to live was the absolute peak of modern cinema

Perhaps she experienced a premonition of TLJ as she became one with the force

[Halmyre]

warch said:

Mafffew said:

Padme just losing the will to live, was the absolute peak of modern cinema

Not as bk curlingly embarrassing as Darth Vader's BIG NOOOOOOO! (Do Not Want!) shortly afterwards. Made even worse by it's later inclusion in the dying moments of Return of the Jedi (Version 7.4).

The NOOOOO was bad enough, but milking the giant cow was the extra cheese on top.

[warch]

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:

Perhaps she experienced a premonition of TLJ as she became one with the force

When she realised that she had featured in the three worst films in the series you mean?

You may not like The Last Jedi but it is infinitely better than any of the Prequel Trilogy, which are simply unwatchable crap by comparison. Weirdly the acting and storyline in Star Wars Battlefront was much more compelling which is quite an achievement.

[Halb]

warch said:

Not as bk curlingly embarrassing as Darth Vader's BIG NOOOOOOO! (Do Not Want!) shortly afterwards. Made even worse by it's later inclusion in the dying moments of Return of the Jedi (Version 7.4).

George's biggest crime? When I saw that scene and heard the included, 'nooooo', it stole all the impact. After seeing that George probably deserves what Disney did to his IP.

[zygalski]

"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."

[Halb]

10 min vid by midnight's edge on the lil purchase history of Disney and what bob eiger wanted, also pointing out the differences in the three purchases.

Why Disney failed with Star Wars, but succeeded with Marvel and Pixar
https://youtu.be/gHaXavGyrVw

[rider73]

P:"there is still good in him - i can feel it"
OW:"so dont die then"
P:"errrr but i dont want to ever bein or talk about this movie franchise ever again"
OW:"i wish i could , they keep wanting me to do another movie to explain all the problems with these ones ..."
P:<dies>
ow:"dam - ok i'll hide the son of the worst ever jedi / evil sith in history on the planet he was born on with his uncle - yoda is wise"
yoda:"sh**y cgi , i am , hide i must..."