Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[ukaskew]

Pesty said:

Yeah but remember that time they used hyperdrive to blow up a destroyer therefore making all super weapons useless in one quick swoop and auto forgot to invent autopilot or teach droids to fly?

Everybody with a faster than light ship can destroy anything now.

I've never understood this argument, that theory could be applied to real life as well in terms of kamikazes, but it's a tactic that simply isn't employed by 99.99999999% of military groups.

[glazbagun]

ukaskew said:

I've never understood this argument, that theory could be applied to real life as well in terms of kamikazes, but it's a tactic that simply isn't employed by 99.99999999% of military groups.

Because we have better weapons. I can ran remember few instances of a single kamikaze attack taking out a major asset by any means other than the bomb it was carrying. They were more accurate than a dumb bomb, but an Exocet from the 80's would be a better anti-ship weapon than a Eurofighter at full chat.

A Eurofighter at light speed would be pretty unstoppable though.

[warch]

Pesty said:

Everybody with a faster than light ship can destroy anything now.

I've never seen anything in any of the other films to suggest this wasn't the case. Although you'd need quite a big expensive ship to do it, so Death Star/Starkiller base superlasers would probably be a more sensible option (for a given value of sensible).

Most droids in Star Wars seem to be subject to Asimov's Laws, with the obvious exception of the Battle Droids and IG88 So C3P0 probably couldn't fly a suicide mission as it might interfere with his programming.

[Halb]

warch said:

I've never seen anything in any of the other films to suggest this wasn't the case. Although you'd need quite a big expensive ship to do it, so Death Star/Starkiller base superlasers would probably be a more sensible option (for a given value of sensible).

Every battle we've seen suggests death by hyperspace in a battle isn't a thing/possible. Hence the shock and annoyance.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

If there’s one thing Star Wars fans like it’s a bit of shock and annoyance.

[rider73]

I know theres a lot of love and hate for TLJ movie - i know its all over the internet , media, the world and now the pistonhead forums, i know. just one thing to say thats needed to prevent anymore hate and anger on both sides.

its f***** sh*t

i have spoken. (go watch the mandalorian for that quote)

[funkyrobot]

rider73 said:

I know theres a lot of love and hate for TLJ movie - i know its all over the internet , media, the world and now the pistonhead forums, i know. just one thing to say thats needed to prevent anymore hate and anger on both sides.

its f***** sh*t

i have spoken. (go watch the mandalorian for that quote)

It was indeed a big pile of #metoo, stinking st.

I will wait until the latest one is reviewed on here before bothering with it.

[warch]

Halb said:

warch said:

I've never seen anything in any of the other films to suggest this wasn't the case. Although you'd need quite a big expensive ship to do it, so Death Star/Starkiller base superlasers would probably be a more sensible option (for a given value of sensible).

Every battle we've seen suggests death by hyperspace in a battle isn't a thing/possible. Hence the shock and annoyance.

Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

BTW I do know what you are saying, that in your opinion this revelation of weaponizing hyperspace is unrealistic in the context of the Star Wars universe as we understand it.

I was rather more nonplussed by the previous film where people insist on treating the Millennium Falcon like a rubber toy, crashing it in to trees and the landscape on Starkiller Base.

[Halb]

warch said:

Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?
BTW I do know what you are saying, that in your opinion this revelation of weaponizing hyperspace is unrealistic in the context of the Star Wars universe as we understand it.
I was rather more nonplussed by the previous film where people insist on treating the Millennium Falcon like a rubber toy, crashing it in to trees and the landscape on Starkiller Base.

I phrased it poorly, weaponised hyperspace, obviously one may die in an accident like any travel. it's not been done in any battle onscreen or referenced, hence it's not a possible thing. So it's not really 'opinion', it's what we know from what we've seen.
the 'revelation' as you put it, is a significant change, as the writer wasn't able to rectify the knots he'd put himself into.

[JagLover]

Halb said:

I phrased it poorly, weaponised hyperspace, obviously one may die in an accident like any travel. it's not been done in any battle onscreen or referenced, hence it's not a possible thing. So it's not really 'opinion', it's what we know from what we've seen.
the 'revelation' as you put it, is a significant change, as the writer wasn't able to rectify the knots he'd put himself into.

The reason why it makes no sense whatsoever is that we have battle droids in this universe, and small craft capable of hyperspeed. So it instantly makes all large battleships pointless as all you need to counteract them is one small ship and one droid.

[Guvernator]

Thinking about it logically, it's probably always been possible, it's just that no one has been stupid enough to do it as they realised it would break so many things in the Star Wars universe. Then along came Ryan Johnson.

[Halb]

JagLover said:

The reason why it makes no sense whatsoever is that we have battle droids in this universe, and small craft capable of hyperspeed. So it instantly makes all large battleships pointless as all you need to counteract them is one small ship and one droid.

Also, thinking back to the original trilogy. Life was cheap to the empire, hence no shields on tie-fighters. There would have been no space battles with the rebels as tie-bombers or bigger would simply ram and destroy all rebel ships. It's clearly something Lucas didn't have as a thing in his original plan. The Empire would have used it from day dot.

[AshVX220]

Bullett said:

Pesty said:

Yeah but remember that time they used hyperdrive to blow up a destroyer therefore making all super weapons useless in one quick swoop and auto forgot to invent autopilot or teach droids to fly?

Everybody with a faster than light ship can destroy anything now.

Just a question.
Did they only change it for the last one or was it lightspeed earlier. As "traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops"

Didn't they mention lightspeed and hyperspace in ANH, I thought at some point Han said something along the lines of "go strap yourselves in, we're preparing to make the jump to lightspeed", and also in the same film there was the "hyperspace ain't like dusting crops" speech.
Or were those lines in different films, though if so, I'm sure they were both in the OT.

[bing]

I heard today that after The Rise of Skywalker there will be another SW trilogy or movie due for release around 2022

[rider73]

i heard thats all been put on hold until the reception of this final one..

it seems very few directors want to take up the mantle of a star wars movie these days, given such high profile departures either before / during or late late on in production of movies

i suspect disney want a certain type of movie and perhaps that puts them off

Jon Fav seems flavour of the month for all things Disney / Marvel these days - and of course........ in JJ we trust..........

[AshVX220]

As I don't really care about Ep9 and any spoilers I was watching a couple of youtube vids last night and some intel has come out of the test screenings. I am not at all confident this film will be any good and completely confident it is going to ps off pretty much every fan of the franchise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2It0UTvyhk

[SV_WDC]

rider73 said:

i heard thats all been put on hold until the reception of this final one..

There's a Star Wars film every year and there's fatigue.

After what they did with Leia in the last one I'm completely done with SW now. A few people burst out laughing in the cinema when that happened, the ridiculousness of it

[warch]

What is clear is that a lot of people on here don't like the Disney Star Wars films. In that case, why persevere with them then? Why waste hours watching YouTube films and writing stuff about something as inconsequential as a sci fi film series.

If you love the original series, does a subsequent series of films ruin your enjoyment of the original? It shouldn't really, my enjoyment of the original trilogy which I love isn't reduced at all by the prequel trilogy which I thought was largely crap, especially the second and third films.

Star Wars obsessives are strange indeed.

[AshVX220]

warch said:

What is clear is that a lot of people on here don't like the Disney Star Wars films. In that case, why persevere with them then? Why waste hours watching YouTube films and writing stuff about something as inconsequential as a sci fi film series.

If you love the original series, does a subsequent series of films ruin your enjoyment of the original? It shouldn't really, my enjoyment of the original trilogy which I love isn't reduced at all by the prequel trilogy which I thought was largely crap, especially the second and third films.

Star Wars obsessives are strange indeed.

We are indeed. I loved the OT (obviously) and still enjoy them, Rogue One is right up there, possibly my 3rd favourite of the entire franchise. The Mandalorian I'm enjoying. I think if Disney could do it right, it would be spectacular, however the fan base has lost all confidence that Disney can do it right. I'd like to see Kathleen Kennedy dropped as head honcho and John Favreu [sp] in her place. He clearly "gets it".

[IanH755]

warch said:

If you love the original series, does a subsequent series of films ruin your enjoyment of the original? It shouldn't really, my enjoyment of the original trilogy which I love isn't reduced at all by the prequel trilogy which I thought was largely crap, especially the second and third films.

It's seeing loved OT characters and past events "disrespected" for me, and the reason I can't stop watching all the news about Ep9 is that it's a fireworks factory on fire right now - extremely destructive but so entertaining to watch it happen!

I genuinely think it'll go down in history for future "movie/film students" as the prime example of "if you disregard what the paying fans like/want, your franchise dies".