Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker
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Coolbanana said:
https://qz.com/1169393/disneys-star-wars-films-hav...
Hardly a problem for Disney, eh?
They've made a profit from their acquisition of the franchise and will continue to reap more - and that is regardless of what certain fans would like to think. The fact is Disney has recouped its investment and then some - so a success.
Most people who watch these movies don't buy comics to read and then get mighty cross when a scriptwriter and the production team for the movie decides to go down a different path. Most couldn't give a stuff that it isn't altogether consistent. The so-called True Fans need to remember that - they never owned the story.
My kids grew up as fans of Star Wars - they've seen them dozens of times. Not once did they want the comics or toys, not even the lego. They still, like me who saw the original in a drive-in theatre when it was released, enjoy each and every movie and while we might prefer some over others, overall, we liked them enough to continue going to see what Disney produces next. My son prefers the Star Wars franchise over Marvel - he's actually not much of a fan of that. My daughter is the opposite. I like them both but would give the edge to Star Wars.
I think that's just based on what they've spent on the movies though, for the whole franchise they're still down, they spent an abslute fortune developing and building Galaxy's Edge at WDW and Disneyland, probably over $1b, and that doesn't include the Star Wars themed hotel they're building. They've also spent money on The Mandalorian and other TV shows (Rebels and at least one other?).Hardly a problem for Disney, eh?
They've made a profit from their acquisition of the franchise and will continue to reap more - and that is regardless of what certain fans would like to think. The fact is Disney has recouped its investment and then some - so a success. Most people who watch these movies don't buy comics to read and then get mighty cross when a scriptwriter and the production team for the movie decides to go down a different path. Most couldn't give a stuff that it isn't altogether consistent. The so-called True Fans need to remember that - they never owned the story.
My kids grew up as fans of Star Wars - they've seen them dozens of times. Not once did they want the comics or toys, not even the lego. They still, like me who saw the original in a drive-in theatre when it was released, enjoy each and every movie and while we might prefer some over others, overall, we liked them enough to continue going to see what Disney produces next. My son prefers the Star Wars franchise over Marvel - he's actually not much of a fan of that. My daughter is the opposite. I like them both but would give the edge to Star Wars.
I've no doubt they'll make their money back, bt in real terms I doubt they have yet when the whole franchise is considered.
AshVX220 said:
I think that's just based on what they've spent on the movies though, for the whole franchise they're still down, they spent an abslute fortune developing and building Galaxy's Edge at WDW and Disneyland, probably over $1b, and that doesn't include the Star Wars themed hotel they're building. They've also spent money on The Mandalorian and other TV shows (Rebels and at least one other?).
I've no doubt they'll make their money back, bt in real terms I doubt they have yet when the whole franchise is considered.
I think it may take many years. If one goes off the accepted productions budgets (and then times two for marketing) they spent 2,624b, then look at profit from films it's 2,630b. Marketing could be less for some, but the rule of thumb most people say is (especially for blockbusters) times two for world marketing. Of course this doesn't include (forget the term) lower stream services? dvd/streaming/tv etc.I've no doubt they'll make their money back, bt in real terms I doubt they have yet when the whole franchise is considered.
Another thought just crossed my mind for those who have enjoyed the Disney releases.
When you watch a film like this, do you care about, for example, where Snoke has come from, who he is and how is now in charge of the first order? Or do you care about who Rey's parents are, how she became so powerful with the force? Or do you care how the Emporor came back from the dead, well clearly he didn't actually die, but how?
I think maybe this is what seperates uber nerdy fans (like me) and people who say they're fans (and they will be fans as Coolbanana says above) but don't want to know or don't care about the background story behind events?
I think the fans who are most upset by the Disney trilogy are those that do care about the franchise as a whole, we appreciate it, it's played a huge part in our lives for a very long time, it was never "just a movie". We did buy the toys as kids, we did and do buy the novels to expand the Star Wars universe in our minds, we did and do buy the video games and Lego sets because of a kind of passion and love of the franchise.
If it's just a movie, I can see why people can enjoy it, but to a lot of fans (myself being very much a nerdy uber-fan) it is more than just a movie, it resonates with our lives, we feel a connection to the characters, we enjoy the entire fan base experience, such as going to Star Wars Celebration (the Star Wars equivalent of Cominc-Con) etc, etc.
Plotlines and connections make a movie, and when you throw them away or suddenly introduce new things that haven't even been mentioned or shown in previous films of the franchise (especially with the things that could turn an entire film around (Yoda could have saved Padme)) it cheapens the whole thing.
The belittling bit for those who see it as just a movie, to me is I guess, if it's shiny enough with Gucci special effects and huge set pieces, then the substance is less important. Regular movie goers who see it as just a movie will enjoy the SFX without any thought to the "why/how" etc.
The fans who do see it as just a movie are not the ones that will keep the franchise alive beyond it's sell by date or buy a load of merchandise or follow on stuff. It is the uber fans that keep franchises like this alive and it's the uber fans that are responsible for it to still be such a huge thing 43 years after initial release. So, long/short: It's the difference between fans that care about the franchise and those that "just see a movie".
When you watch a film like this, do you care about, for example, where Snoke has come from, who he is and how is now in charge of the first order? Or do you care about who Rey's parents are, how she became so powerful with the force? Or do you care how the Emporor came back from the dead, well clearly he didn't actually die, but how?
I think maybe this is what seperates uber nerdy fans (like me) and people who say they're fans (and they will be fans as Coolbanana says above) but don't want to know or don't care about the background story behind events?
I think the fans who are most upset by the Disney trilogy are those that do care about the franchise as a whole, we appreciate it, it's played a huge part in our lives for a very long time, it was never "just a movie". We did buy the toys as kids, we did and do buy the novels to expand the Star Wars universe in our minds, we did and do buy the video games and Lego sets because of a kind of passion and love of the franchise.
If it's just a movie, I can see why people can enjoy it, but to a lot of fans (myself being very much a nerdy uber-fan) it is more than just a movie, it resonates with our lives, we feel a connection to the characters, we enjoy the entire fan base experience, such as going to Star Wars Celebration (the Star Wars equivalent of Cominc-Con) etc, etc.
Plotlines and connections make a movie, and when you throw them away or suddenly introduce new things that haven't even been mentioned or shown in previous films of the franchise (especially with the things that could turn an entire film around (Yoda could have saved Padme)) it cheapens the whole thing.
The belittling bit for those who see it as just a movie, to me is I guess, if it's shiny enough with Gucci special effects and huge set pieces, then the substance is less important. Regular movie goers who see it as just a movie will enjoy the SFX without any thought to the "why/how" etc.
The fans who do see it as just a movie are not the ones that will keep the franchise alive beyond it's sell by date or buy a load of merchandise or follow on stuff. It is the uber fans that keep franchises like this alive and it's the uber fans that are responsible for it to still be such a huge thing 43 years after initial release. So, long/short: It's the difference between fans that care about the franchise and those that "just see a movie".
AshVX220 said:
Another thought just crossed my mind for those who have enjoyed the Disney releases.
When you watch a film like this, do you care about, for example, where Snoke has come from, who he is and how is now in charge of the first order? Or do you care about who Rey's parents are, how she became so powerful with the force? Or do you care how the Emporor came back from the dead, well clearly he didn't actually die, but how?
That isn't a Disney specific thing or something that requires love of the subject matter, it's common courtesy to make sense. Characters magicked up out of nowhere get on my nerves. When you watch a film like this, do you care about, for example, where Snoke has come from, who he is and how is now in charge of the first order? Or do you care about who Rey's parents are, how she became so powerful with the force? Or do you care how the Emporor came back from the dead, well clearly he didn't actually die, but how?
That's why the X Men films pooing all over their timelines drive me nuts. Be consistent or bog off.
bloomen said:
AshVX220 said:
Another thought just crossed my mind for those who have enjoyed the Disney releases.
When you watch a film like this, do you care about, for example, where Snoke has come from, who he is and how is now in charge of the first order? Or do you care about who Rey's parents are, how she became so powerful with the force? Or do you care how the Emporor came back from the dead, well clearly he didn't actually die, but how?
That isn't a Disney specific thing or something that requires love of the subject matter, it's common courtesy to make sense. Characters magicked up out of nowhere get on my nerves. When you watch a film like this, do you care about, for example, where Snoke has come from, who he is and how is now in charge of the first order? Or do you care about who Rey's parents are, how she became so powerful with the force? Or do you care how the Emporor came back from the dead, well clearly he didn't actually die, but how?
That's why the X Men films pooing all over their timelines drive me nuts. Be consistent or bog off.
Thats because normal people laugh at "uber fans" for being sad gimps with no life.
In the same way that Clarkson, Hammond and May took/take the piss out of "uber fans" car enthusiasts for being sad gimps.
Nobody in their right mind regards a film, any film as being anything more than just a film.
I say that as somebody who watched the originals as a kid, was at the opening midnight showing of EP1, with most of the audience in dress/costume of some kind and some waving lightsabers and closed the loop with being at the opening midnight showing of this last one. I have, in effect, earned my SW stripes
In the same way that Clarkson, Hammond and May took/take the piss out of "uber fans" car enthusiasts for being sad gimps.
Nobody in their right mind regards a film, any film as being anything more than just a film.
I say that as somebody who watched the originals as a kid, was at the opening midnight showing of EP1, with most of the audience in dress/costume of some kind and some waving lightsabers and closed the loop with being at the opening midnight showing of this last one. I have, in effect, earned my SW stripes
Halb said:
This is from a year ago, but Disney may have recouped a quarter of what they spent.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/06/04/disn...
THe toys stated to flop post Last Jedi. Not sure how the toy deals work, they sell the rights for a bundle to kenner or someone? Or get a percentage? Both?
Considering how much money the likes of Netflix and Amazon are burning through to fill their streaming services I think the acquisition is still looking shrewd, even if the movies haven't exactly done Avengers box office. https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/06/04/disn...
THe toys stated to flop post Last Jedi. Not sure how the toy deals work, they sell the rights for a bundle to kenner or someone? Or get a percentage? Both?
Netflix are spending well over $10b a year to produce original content alone, much of which will be in the public eye for a few days then be forgotten.
Heres some concept art from the unmade version
https://imgur.com/a/lX9JG8F#MTYat4i
It could have been great....
https://imgur.com/a/lX9JG8F#MTYat4i
It could have been great....
seems the much touted Obi Wan series has been put on hold,
creative differences between the writing staff and KK (shocker!!!!!!!!)
despite her saying it was all written and done, interweb says only 2 episodes has actually been done for production and she didnt like them - they were treading on themes already setup in Mandalorian (yeah, young baby gets shadowed by older master on a desert planet )
perhaps they should have thought of that before saying its coming, because, well you know, they would already have known what Mandalorian was about!
ukaskew said:
Considering how much money the likes of Netflix and Amazon are burning through to fill their streaming services I think the acquisition is still looking shrewd, even if the movies haven't exactly done Avengers box office.
Netflix are spending well over $10b a year to produce original content alone, much of which will be in the public eye for a few days then be forgotten.
Netflicx have a bump in the road soon, they are spending more than they should, but it seems to me they have either no plan or have internal fights we don't know about from looking at what they push and don't push. They've had some wins, but don't seem to capitalise.Netflix are spending well over $10b a year to produce original content alone, much of which will be in the public eye for a few days then be forgotten.
an excellent short vid detailing Netflix V Hollywood
Georg Rockall-Schmidt
https://youtu.be/LlD8ZQaw2h0
Lucasflm will be a shrewd purchase if they handle the property correctly.
FourWheelDrift said:
It's just the end of the Skywalker saga, Disney will still be pumping out movies and tv series on different Star Wars universe stories.
Plus the Obi Wan Kenobi tv series with Ewan McGregor, the Cassian Andor (from Rogue One) series, a new Rian Johnson trilogy of films, the Kevin Feige film, someone else might pick up the trilogy Benioff and Weiss were going to do.
Kenobi put on hold by Disney - https://collider.com/obi-wan-series-delayed-disney...Plus the Obi Wan Kenobi tv series with Ewan McGregor, the Cassian Andor (from Rogue One) series, a new Rian Johnson trilogy of films, the Kevin Feige film, someone else might pick up the trilogy Benioff and Weiss were going to do.
"Two independent sources with knowledge of the situation tell Collider that the Obi-Wan series has been put on hold, as the crew that had assembled at Pinewood Studios in London was sent home. A timeframe was not given, but the crew was told that the show would be down “indefinitely.”
DeejRC said:
Thats because normal people laugh at "uber fans" for being sad gimps with no life.
In the same way that Clarkson, Hammond and May took/take the piss out of "uber fans" car enthusiasts for being sad gimps.
Nobody in their right mind regards a film, any film as being anything more than just a film.
I say that as somebody who watched the originals as a kid, was at the opening midnight showing of EP1, with most of the audience in dress/costume of some kind and some waving lightsabers and closed the loop with being at the opening midnight showing of this last one. I have, in effect, earned my SW stripes
Define 'Uber Fan' ... Also to add that I think that 'normal' people who laugh at "uber fans" for being sad gimps with no life are probably f###### w###### ...In the same way that Clarkson, Hammond and May took/take the piss out of "uber fans" car enthusiasts for being sad gimps.
Nobody in their right mind regards a film, any film as being anything more than just a film.
I say that as somebody who watched the originals as a kid, was at the opening midnight showing of EP1, with most of the audience in dress/costume of some kind and some waving lightsabers and closed the loop with being at the opening midnight showing of this last one. I have, in effect, earned my SW stripes
I thought I was a proper Star Wars fan on the basis of liking the films, with the original trilogy being a significant part of my childhood in the 80s. But I've realised as I absolutely loved the new films that I can't be regarded as a fan because that is incompatible with the uberfan viewpoint.
I think I can live with that.
I think I can live with that.
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