Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[AshVX220]

robemcdonald said:

Halb said:

deleted scene
https://youtu.be/Brbrdnh74yA

Damn you. I was just going to post that.

That was brilliant!

[DeejRC]

robemcdonald said:

DeejRC said:

was at the opening midnight showing of EP1

As a matter of interest where did you see it on opening day at midnight?

As far as I was aware Cinemas opened at 9:00am to show it.

I only asked because now I feel like I missed out

Not my recollection. Was the standard Cineworld back over the bridge from Rochester in Kent.

But then if it wasn’t, shrug, it was 20yrs ago, I can live with my memory being crap.

[AshVX220]

Interesting youtube video about the editting and stoy arc of the sequel saga.

It's long at 41 minutes, but pretty good I think and kind of nails the main problems;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzujpplt-0M

Edited by AshVX220 on Monday 10th February 13:15

[defblade]

ZeroGroundZero said:

Saw the new movie recently and enjoyed it - went in expecting a typical "star wars" movie and wasn't disappointed. Although the critique that I would offer is that as with many hollywood movies these days it just felt "rushed".

Liea's death was rushed through, Chewy's death was rushed, 3PO's death was rushed. And then at no point during many of hollywood's movies does the film just sit back and allow the viewer to soak in to the environment. This is an important aspect of sci-fi movies for me. To feel "off-world" and somewhere else the movie should give more time towards settling in to another environment. The only other 'recent' movie that did this was Avatar a good few years ago.

Try Blade Runner 2049.

[grassomaniac]

defblade said:

ZeroGroundZero said:

Saw the new movie recently and enjoyed it - went in expecting a typical "star wars" movie and wasn't disappointed. Although the critique that I would offer is that as with many hollywood movies these days it just felt "rushed".

Liea's death was rushed through, Chewy's death was rushed, 3PO's death was rushed. And then at no point during many of hollywood's movies does the film just sit back and allow the viewer to soak in to the environment. This is an important aspect of sci-fi movies for me. To feel "off-world" and somewhere else the movie should give more time towards settling in to another environment. The only other 'recent' movie that did this was Avatar a good few years ago.

Try Blade Runner 2049.

Saw it at the IMAX at the film and TV museum at Bradford, was so worth the trip to watch it on that screen.

[rider73]

so its passed all oher movies "new" movies now apart fro TFA and TLJ ---- interesting how initially it was touted it was going to be one of the worse grossing star wars movies of them all.....

[warch]

rider73 said:

so its passed all oher movies "new" movies now apart fro TFA and TLJ ---- interesting how initially it was touted it was going to be one of the worse grossing star wars movies of them all.....

Yes although a lot of that was trolling articles from geek/clickbait websites and youtube sites desperate for views.

I watched the Last Jedi again last night, can't wait to see the new film again.

[Halb]

Yeah, I noticed RoS squeaked past R1 this week, intentionally at least, it won't get near the US domestic run, which has higher profit margin. But still it was close, wasn't sure it was gonna make it. RoS was touted as having a yuge opening weekend, not to be a bomb at all, that wasn't the narrative, as it was the opening weekend fell and fell till it ended up where it was. It was rather lucky for the film that the holiday week was it's second week, that's when it rallied and saved it from disaster, it got to within 9 million (domestic) of Last Jedi I think, of course once the holiday week (with little competition) finished it was done and slumped back down to over 100 mill off Jedi.
For the final film in a supposedly 40 year series, it was a damp squib.
Of course it has a much higher budget than R1 as well as PR budget,

[warch]

The Rise of Skywalker came out very close to Christmas in the UK, which meant that quite a few people didn't see it until several weeks after the release date, leading lots of people to predict it would be a box office failure, box office returns usually drop massively after the first week.

It would be hard to describe any film surpassing a billion dollars as a damp squib, but I quite agree that the release of five Star Wars films in five years has probably reduced the box office draw of each new film.

[Halb]

warch said:

The Rise of Skywalker came out very close to Christmas in the UK, which meant that quite a few people didn't see it until several weeks after the release date, leading lots of people to predict it would be a box office failure, box office returns usually drop massively after the first week.

It would be hard to describe any film surpassing a billion dollars as a damp squib, but I quite agree that the release of five Star Wars films in five years has probably reduced the box office draw of each new film.

The early reports was of a250 opening weekend, it was never said it would a failure. But as time went on the opening weekend predictions slowly dropped, to what they actually became.
As said, the end of the saga, a 40 year thing and it gets by 1 billion, when for comparison you have Endgame, a 10 year end, which breaks all box office records. I think it's not difficult to name it a damp squib, one may disagree, but not hard to describe it as such.

[Bullett]

warch said:

The release of five Star Wars films in five years has probably reduced the box office draw of each new film.

Yet Marvel can release 2-3 films per year plus TV and still pull huge audiences?

[warch]

Bullett said:

Yet Marvel can release 2-3 films per year plus TV and still pull huge audiences?

Marvel has a much bigger worldwide fanbase than Star Wars.

[chris watton]

Halb said:

warch said:

The Rise of Skywalker came out very close to Christmas in the UK, which meant that quite a few people didn't see it until several weeks after the release date, leading lots of people to predict it would be a box office failure, box office returns usually drop massively after the first week.

It would be hard to describe any film surpassing a billion dollars as a damp squib, but I quite agree that the release of five Star Wars films in five years has probably reduced the box office draw of each new film.

The early reports was of a250 opening weekend, it was never said it would a failure. But as time went on the opening weekend predictions slowly dropped, to what they actually became.
As said, the end of the saga, a 40 year thing and it gets by 1 billion, when for comparison you have Endgame, a 10 year end, which breaks all box office records. I think it's not difficult to name it a damp squib, one may disagree, but not hard to describe it as such.

I note many who say they like this, like warch, say how much this made, without thinking of how much this trilogy could have made if the films were better. Add to this the complete collapse of the once very lucrative SW merchandise market, the films have done way more harm than good, irrespective of the BO takings in the short term. The OT still make money, I highly doubt if these new 'of the time' films will be even remembered in 40 years.

I went to see TLJ at the first midnight screening, as all reviews were great, little did I know then that they were not at all honest. I haven't even seen this latest one, and probably never will. Life is too short to watch such crap, let alone spend money to watch it.

[Halb]

AT least LUcasfilm/Disney recognise they have yuge problems, as there won't be a SW film till 2023 (and Rian Johnson has gone).

[warch]

chris watton said:

I note many who say they like this, like warch, say how much this made, without thinking of how much this trilogy could have made if the films were better. Add to this the complete collapse of the once very lucrative SW merchandise market, the films have done way more harm than good, irrespective of the BO takings in the short term. The OT still make money, I highly doubt if these new 'of the time' films will be even remembered in 40 years.

I went to see TLJ at the first midnight screening, as all reviews were great, little did I know then that they were not at all honest. I haven't even seen this latest one, and probably never will. Life is too short to watch such crap, let alone spend money to watch it.

I completely disagree. I love the original trilogy, but if you watch them now, in the context of modern action films and shorn of the affection and nostalgia we all feel for them they come across as pretty tame and simplistic. No action film these days could get away with looking like an action film from 1977.

The sequel trilogy are a set of films made in a certain context and that context is the modern epic superhero film genre. There are bits in the modern films I dislike, or which don't really work or which could be improved but I could say that for many films I love. Basically I like the style of the new films, most of the characters, especially Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker in TLJ, which is the best of the new films. The lack of corny Lucas influenced dialogue and the often lovely cinematography is a real bonus, these are really visually impressive films. The plots are bobbins but have been ever thus.

I am not sure what film The Rise of Skywalker could be judged against to assess how successful or otherwise it has been. The nearest equivalent is probably Frozen 2, which was released slightly before TROS and managed about 1.5 billion on box office returns, but which has much broader appeal (take it from me, every little girl and their parents will have seen this at least once by now). Given the massive negative publicity from clickbait sites that started months before the film even came out it I think it did quite well.

The merchandising market had changed massively since the 1970s and probably 1999 too, kids in the demographic that modern Star Wars is aimed at, which is rather older than I was when I saw my first Star Wars film don't buy toys anymore, they're a lot more sophisticated. I imagine the film will shift plenty of copies of standalone and complete 9 film compilation disc sets though.

[chris watton]

warch said:

chris watton said:

I note many who say they like this, like warch, say how much this made, without thinking of how much this trilogy could have made if the films were better. Add to this the complete collapse of the once very lucrative SW merchandise market, the films have done way more harm than good, irrespective of the BO takings in the short term. The OT still make money, I highly doubt if these new 'of the time' films will be even remembered in 40 years.

I went to see TLJ at the first midnight screening, as all reviews were great, little did I know then that they were not at all honest. I haven't even seen this latest one, and probably never will. Life is too short to watch such crap, let alone spend money to watch it.

I completely disagree. I love the original trilogy, but if you watch them now, in the context of modern action films and shorn of the affection and nostalgia we all feel for them they come across as pretty tame and simplistic. No action film these days could get away with looking like an action film from 1977.

The sequel trilogy are a set of films made in a certain context and that context is the modern epic superhero film genre. There are bits in the modern films I dislike, or which don't really work or which could be improved but I could say that for many films I love. Basically I like the style of the new films, most of the characters, especially Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker in TLJ, which is the best of the new films. The lack of corny Lucas influenced dialogue and the often lovely cinematography is a real bonus, these are really visually impressive films. The plots are bobbins but have been ever thus.

I am not sure what film The Rise of Skywalker could be judged against to assess how successful or otherwise it has been. The nearest equivalent is probably Frozen 2, which was released slightly before TROS and managed about 1.5 billion on box office returns, but which has much broader appeal (take it from me, every little girl and their parents will have seen this at least once by now). Given the massive negative publicity from clickbait sites that started months before the film even came out it I think it did quite well.

The merchandising market had changed massively since the 1970s and probably 1999 too, kids in the demographic that modern Star Wars is aimed at, which is rather older than I was when I saw my first Star Wars film don't buy toys anymore, they're a lot more sophisticated. I imagine the film will shift plenty of copies of standalone and complete 9 film compilation disc sets though.

Have to agree to disagree, I stand by every point in my post. I think you are wrong.

[Halb]

As to what RoS can be put against, the obvious one is Endgame, two films that were marketing heavily as the culmination of their respective franchises, I can't think of any other film which has been marketed thus in recent history...or, perhaps, at all.

[warch]

I'm still amazed that people who don't like something still spend hours of their life complaining about it, especially something so unessential as a movie franchise.

[chris watton]

warch said:

I'm still amazed that people who don't like something still spend hours of their life complaining about it, especially something so unessential as a movie franchise.

If that's referring to me, then please check my post count on this particular thread and get back to me. Conversely, if you think it's so great and you believe this to be so, why waste so much time and keyboard typing trying to justify your stance?

It is clear that time will not be kind to this latest batch of movies, if you cannot or refuse to see this, I am sorry.

[Halb]

warch said:

I'm still amazed that people who don't like something still spend hours of their life complaining about it, especially something so unessential as a movie franchise.

You talk about what you want to fella, and I'll do the same.