Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Steve vRS]

Good, happy to be corrected there.

[rider73]

As much as i like the sequels of TFA and ROS i wish they never existed in the same timeframe/timeline as the originals - same goes for the prequels.

the originals was born from Lucas but he was humble enough then to bow to others with far better experience of movie making to put his story onto the screen, he was more interested in the effects side

when the prequels came along (and the same goes for any movie he recently made, like Indy 5 and that WW2 airplane one) he was too arrogant to bend in any way and as a result totally missed the mark with the prequels either not understanding or not caring what fan base he already built up, and to be honest showed his crude, in experienced style in actually being a director of actors, rather than just spewing lines to camera

then disney took over and for some reason that has never been explained they wanted a sequel trilogy that was unwritten and had different directors for each one (lets not forget JJ wasnt down to do the last one , they original directors bottled it) - thankfully JJ put in some charm into his 2, whereas TLJ just seemed to not care about where it was going, the characters in it, and as a result IMHO lacked any charm of a star wars movie.
And here we have the result ! A mess overall but saved a little by JJ's 2, and the last one ive called a masterpiece, only because for me, it actually maanged to save something of star wars for a 9 movie saga from its lowest point at the end of TLJ

[FunkyNige]

Steve vRS said:

As I am a top geek, the Thrawn series of books would have made a great film series but that will never happen.

I don't think the character of Thrawn would go down well with modern cinema audiences - he just seemed too perfect at what he did and the whole "I can tell what they'll do by the art they make" is a bit too sci-fi for a big film.
I think Star Wars will carry on as a series of individual films and TV shows in the general theme of the films (like the Mandalorian, Clone Wars, Rogue One) and any that are hits they'll turn into a series of films.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

Admiral Ackbar voice actor on Holdo

https://youtu.be/L1cSrSuy0qE

[AshVX220]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

Admiral Ackbar voice actor on Holdo

https://youtu.be/L1cSrSuy0qE

Sad how the host being all PC/Star Wars/Disney (whisper it: "let's not criticise") jumped in to shut him up.

[confucuis]

chris watton said:

Bullett said:

This thread popped up in my timeline again and it made me realise that I've not bothered to rewatch TRoS even though I have it 'free' on Disney+

My 10yo who would classify himself as a massive Star Wars fan is really only interested in the classic trilogy, Clone wars stuff and the Mandalorian.

The Mandalorian isn't half bad, but the last 4 episodes of the last season of The Clone Wars are terrific!

Edited by chris watton on Wednesday 8th July 19:54

I've watched a lot of clips from the Clone Wars on youtube recently and really enjoyed them. From the little I've seen, they're far superior to the sequal trilogy. To me, they seem to give what happens after so much more weight, Vader's rise seems far more sad to me now.

[ambuletz]

ash73 said:

I rewatched TFA and TLJ this week, then watched ROS for the first time this afternoon.

I enjoyed all three. You just have to switch off and accept it's fantasy not sci-fi; they're competing with Marvel so characters (and spaceships!) will do impossible things... and never die!

The visuals are amazing on a projector, especially the scenes with the Falcon. TLJ gets a lot of stick but it was more fun than all the boring Jedi training crap in ESB, back in the day.

Some good characters too, Daisy Ridley is brilliant as Rey.

I overall agree with this. they are trying to appeal with a hug audicence, kids as well as the wider sci-fi nerd scene. although it's rather sad because in appealing to the wider audience it hasn't got much depth to it. lots of rubber-banding

[bloomen]

Marvel has an arc and vision that all of the stories serve and it's executed in a crisp and satisfying manner. That's the fundamental difference and maybe why the latter Star Wars films nark people. They kind of land in your lap and slowly ooze all over it.

I don't get after paying billions of dollars why they didn't sit down and figure out where they wanted it to go before setting off.

Same goes for X Men. The constant discarding of timelines is a right old mess.

[Guvernator]

Yep that's my overriding thought too, land one of the biggest movie properties in history then have no real clue what to do with it. No grand vision, no plan, just throw together a mish mash of story elements, borrowing heavily from the original trilogy and hope something sticks. Some of the visuals are great but the plot, pacing, and story arch's are a complete mess and Ryan Johnson should never be allowed to direct a movie again.

[eltawater]

It's a shame they didn't have a rich catalogue of extended universe stories and books from Timothy Zahn to use as a guide....

[bloomen]

ash73 said:

Does it? I think it's mostly st, apart from Guardians of the Galaxy... which is brilliant.

Didn't say it was good but it gets the job done and shoves a sugar rush up you.

[p1stonhead]

bloomen said:

ash73 said:

Does it? I think it's mostly st, apart from Guardians of the Galaxy... which is brilliant.

Didn't say it was good but it gets the job done and shoves a sugar rush up you.

This. Some aren’t great but you can’t deny the genius of having all 20 films link together perfectly at the end of them all.

[rider73]

theres a crap load of rumours over the internet about a fall out between Disney top brass and Kathleen kennedy - that she basically trashed the franchise that the top brass wanted to be successful for years to come - now its like its backed into a corner with everyone ready to hate it.

other rumours - probably totally "fan wish" are disney want to reboot the prequels, release uncut versions of the sequels, and also do a stand alone Luke film (with cgi Leia) of what actually happened when he trained ben solo.

As a star wars fan of course we'd all enjoy going back and correcting the prequels and clean up issues with the disjointed and rushed sequels - but come on - just leave it behind Disney and strike out with some originality (like The mandalorian) rather than rehash all the time

[p1stonhead]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Really?

The entire 20 film set revolves around the infinity stones in one way or another other than maybe the iron man standalone films.

[p1stonhead]

ash73 said:

rider73 said:

theres a crap load of rumours over the internet about a fall out between Disney top brass and Kathleen kennedy - that she basically trashed the franchise that the top brass wanted to be successful for years to come - now its like its backed into a corner with everyone ready to hate it.

"Fans" (aka miserable middle-aged men) would have hated it no matter what they did.

I suggest rewatch the trilogy back-to-back as a bit of fantasy fun, and you'll enjoy it.

Nope. It’s a terrible trilogy even ignoring its Star Wars or that there were films before. It has zero continuity at all.

Who introduces the villain of a trilogy, via a scrolling text only introduction, in the last of the three films?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 24th August 11:28

[AshVX220]

p1stonhead said:

ash73 said:

rider73 said:

theres a crap load of rumours over the internet about a fall out between Disney top brass and Kathleen kennedy - that she basically trashed the franchise that the top brass wanted to be successful for years to come - now its like its backed into a corner with everyone ready to hate it.

"Fans" (aka miserable middle-aged men) would have hated it no matter what they did.

I suggest rewatch the trilogy back-to-back as a bit of fantasy fun, and you'll enjoy it.

Nope. It’s a terrible trilogy even ignoring its Star Wars or that there were films before. It has zero continuity at all.

Who introduces the villain of a trilogy, via a scrolling text only introduction, in the last of the three films?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 24th August 11:28

Indeed, and let's not forget that the "miserable middle-aged men" absolutely loved Rogue One and in fact the TFA to some extent. The reason for the dislike is exactly as p1stonhead says, after TFA it's completely disjointed and a pot-mess. Ryan Johnson managed to completely st all over the franchise and when he was criticised accused everyone of being man-babies and bigots for not appreciating the diversity or some such st, instead of realising that what he'd done had crapped all over TFA and left JJ with an impossible task of somehow bringing it all back in-line. Which is why RoS is such a st film, because it had to try and explain the mess that RJ had left behind.

[rider73]

AshVX220 said:

p1stonhead said:

ash73 said:

rider73 said:

theres a crap load of rumours over the internet about a fall out between Disney top brass and Kathleen kennedy - that she basically trashed the franchise that the top brass wanted to be successful for years to come - now its like its backed into a corner with everyone ready to hate it.

"Fans" (aka miserable middle-aged men) would have hated it no matter what they did.

I suggest rewatch the trilogy back-to-back as a bit of fantasy fun, and you'll enjoy it.

Nope. It’s a terrible trilogy even ignoring its Star Wars or that there were films before. It has zero continuity at all.

Who introduces the villain of a trilogy, via a scrolling text only introduction, in the last of the three films?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 24th August 11:28

Indeed, and let's not forget that the "miserable middle-aged men" absolutely loved Rogue One and in fact the TFA to some extent. The reason for the dislike is exactly as p1stonhead says, after TFA it's completely disjointed and a pot-mess. Ryan Johnson managed to completely st all over the franchise and when he was criticised accused everyone of being man-babies and bigots for not appreciating the diversity or some such st, instead of realising that what he'd done had crapped all over TFA and left JJ with an impossible task of somehow bringing it all back in-line. Which is why RoS is such a st film, because it had to try and explain the mess that RJ had left behind.

Agreed- and lets not forget JJ wasnt going to do the last one, the director(s) down to do it left! prob. after seeing what TLJ was going to be

[AshVX220]

rider73 said:

AshVX220 said:

p1stonhead said:

ash73 said:

rider73 said:

theres a crap load of rumours over the internet about a fall out between Disney top brass and Kathleen kennedy - that she basically trashed the franchise that the top brass wanted to be successful for years to come - now its like its backed into a corner with everyone ready to hate it.

"Fans" (aka miserable middle-aged men) would have hated it no matter what they did.

I suggest rewatch the trilogy back-to-back as a bit of fantasy fun, and you'll enjoy it.

Nope. It’s a terrible trilogy even ignoring its Star Wars or that there were films before. It has zero continuity at all.

Who introduces the villain of a trilogy, via a scrolling text only introduction, in the last of the three films?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 24th August 11:28

Indeed, and let's not forget that the "miserable middle-aged men" absolutely loved Rogue One and in fact the TFA to some extent. The reason for the dislike is exactly as p1stonhead says, after TFA it's completely disjointed and a pot-mess. Ryan Johnson managed to completely st all over the franchise and when he was criticised accused everyone of being man-babies and bigots for not appreciating the diversity or some such st, instead of realising that what he'd done had crapped all over TFA and left JJ with an impossible task of somehow bringing it all back in-line. Which is why RoS is such a st film, because it had to try and explain the mess that RJ had left behind.

Agreed- and lets not forget JJ wasnt going to do the last one, the director(s) down to do it left! prob. after seeing what TLJ was going to be

I can't remember, but were they the Game of Thrones guys? Did they leave or were they pushed after they showed that Game of Thrones' success was down to the writing and not the directing and when it came to writing they found themselves lacking (hence the luke-warm reception to the last two seasons of GoT)?

[A Winner Is You]

Rewatched Rogue One yesterday with my nephew. I'm not going to claim its flawless but it's a really entertaining film and the final massed battles are really well done, the closest we'll get to an actual Star Wars war film. The final scene with Vader completely undid all the damage his character had taken in the prequels. Plus, whilst in the original timeline it's completely self contained. Just made me think all the more about what a complete mess the sequel trilogy was, and wonder how they could have gone into it with no actual plan.

[techguyone]

A Winner Is You said:

Rewatched Rogue One yesterday with my nephew. I'm not going to claim its flawless but it's a really entertaining film and the final massed battles are really well done, the closest we'll get to an actual Star Wars war film. The final scene with Vader completely undid all the damage his character had taken in the prequels. Plus, whilst in the original timeline it's completely self contained. Just made me think all the more about what a complete mess the sequel trilogy was, and wonder how they could have gone into it with no actual plan.

There's a condensed version of R1 out there called. Fan Edit that runs to about 50 mins and it discards any plodding and is very tight.