Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Radec]

I'm not even sure how they could have messed the new sequels up so badly.

They knew they would be making 3 films so they should have fleshed out a story arc that would have spanned those 3 films.
Marvel managed it for 20 odd films and 10 years and it didn't feel disjointed like this trilogy.

Having 3 directors for each film was a mistake made even worse when Colin left it.

They should erase this trilogy out of canon and redo it with new characters, the Skywalker story was done with Luke/Vader.

Create some other characters from scratch or refer back to the many SW books that are about.
Have one director and one person to oversee it like a Kevin Fiege or Jon Faverau and get rid of Kathleen Kennedy.

[bloomen]

One of the interesting things about Rogue One is that it was in a right old mess that required outsiders to come in and salvage and it's barely mentioned.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/how-star-wars-rog...

Strange why they didn't do the same for the other ones. Or maybe they did...

[p1stonhead]

ash73 said:

Rogue One is excellent too. The only one I don't like is Solo, which is a shame because he was my favourite character.

I rewatched ROS tonight and really enjoyed it again, dunno why people are moaning... it's either Star Wars nerds annoyed the twists in the story don't fit with their own mental model, or blokes who can't cope with strong female characters.

Maybe people will appreciate the new trilogy more as time goes by.

Yeah that has to be it rather than you have terrible taste in movies

[Tlandcruiser]

The modern Star Wars movies are crap, kylo ren and the actor were the worst pairing for a Vader, an emo with daddy issues. The only decent Star Wars movie was Rogue One. The mandalorian is good too

[robemcdonald]

ash73 said:

Rogue One is excellent too. The only one I don't like is Solo, which is a shame because he was my favourite character.

I rewatched ROS tonight and really enjoyed it again, dunno why people are moaning... it's either Star Wars nerds annoyed the twists in the story don't fit with their own mental model, or blokes who can't cope with strong female characters.

Maybe people will appreciate the new trilogy more as time goes by.

ROS is terrible from an objective point of view and also from a fans point of view.
Objectively the story is more like a video game than a conventional movie. The story is entirely made up of fetch quests, random coincidences like falling through the sand exactly where the dagger is. Stupid ideas like an ancient dagger aligning with the wreckage of the Death Star (forget how they just so happened to be standing in the exact right spot). I could go on for pages. If it weren’t a Star Wars film it would have bombed.
From a fans point of view it was terrible too.

The real measure of how bad it was is that Disney are desperately trying to write it out of Star Wars canon and transfer it into the “legends” part of the franchise.

It’s difficult to imagine how they could have got it worse (without setting it on modern day earth of course)

[rider73]

ROS was the best that could be done with what was given IMHO - if you can imagine what Return of the Jedi would have been like if Darth Vader had been killed off in Empire, well thats what JJ was left with when Rian decided on killing Snoke. There was no way in hell Ben Solo was going to be a big baddie for the last film of the "Skywalker Saga", Rian himself set that up by him being unable to kill Leia in the space battle in the same movie.

everything has to be laid at Disney's door in not having a coherant story/arc/plan for the 3 movies and wanting different directors - thats what led to the mess - but IMHO JJ pulled of a masterstroke in returning to the "whimsical" nature of the Star Wars universe, with real feeling between the characters and the final Lea/HanBen Solo arc/story line and resolution was fantastic.

[carl_w]

robemcdonald said:

Objectively the story is more like a video game than a conventional movie. The story is entirely made up of fetch quests, random coincidences like falling through the sand exactly where the dagger is. Stupid ideas like an ancient dagger aligning with the wreckage of the Death Star (forget how they just so happened to be standing in the exact right spot).

Because Force, presumably.

ANH is full of random coincidences too -- Leia sends the message in the droids to Ben Kenobi and via some unlikely mechanism including a bad motivator both of them end up in the hands of her brother and the son of C3PO's creator.

[rider73]

carl_w said:

robemcdonald said:

Objectively the story is more like a video game than a conventional movie. The story is entirely made up of fetch quests, random coincidences like falling through the sand exactly where the dagger is. Stupid ideas like an ancient dagger aligning with the wreckage of the Death Star (forget how they just so happened to be standing in the exact right spot).

Because Force, presumably.

ANH is full of random coincidences too -- Leia sends the message in the droids to Ben Kenobi and via some unlikely mechanism including a bad motivator both of them end up in the hands of her brother and the son of C3PO's creator.

Ah yes - and just by coincidence they arrive just after Alderaan is blown up by death star - just a few mins earlier and the entire film would be over.

[p1stonhead]

ash73 said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I liked the original idea of them being nobodies, the whole hereditary jedi powers thing is a bit elitist.

You mean the entire point of the prequels and original trilogy?

[p1stonhead]

ash73 said:

p1stonhead said:

ash73 said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I liked the original idea of them being nobodies, the whole hereditary jedi powers thing is a bit elitist.

You mean the entire point of the prequels and original trilogy?

Yes, glad they changed it... well, until they didn't.

Immaculate conception, and all that. Got to start somewhere.

Why shouldn't someone new have it? Doesn't the force get any say in it?

No, George Lucas decides (other than the small blip in Phantom Menace), how it works.

[Radec]

When this guy is the most memorable part of the film you know how bad it was

https://youtu.be/1n1t8hI2IG0

[Bullett]

They even screwed up the final battle, running along the top of a star destroyed, really? And had the emperor had all those crews and ships on furlough for 30 years? Also they missed a chance to have white (rebel) stormtroopers fight red storm troopers.

I actually quite liked the Rey being a nobody angle.

[p1stonhead]

Bullett said:

They even screwed up the final battle, running along the top of a star destroyed, really? And had the emperor had all those crews and ships on furlough for 30 years? Also they missed a chance to have white (rebel) stormtroopers fight red storm troopers.

I actually quite liked the Rey being a nobody angle.

I refuse to believe that the palpatine angle was even a possibility until after the last jedi. They just had to do something to give the story a proper baddie.

Does anyone know if palpatine was ever in the plan originally?

[Bullett]

I think I read that Snoke was possibly a Palpatine Clone.

[Murph7355]

Tlandcruiser said:

...The mandalorian is good too

I thought it was tedious. Like a low rent A Team (original version). Or one of the stage shows they put on at Disney.

Couldn't even be bothered to watch the last two. Dull.

[dai1983]

Murph7355 said:

Tlandcruiser said:

...The mandalorian is good too

I thought it was tedious. Like a low rent A Team (original version). Or one of the stage shows they put on at Disney.

Couldn't even be bothered to watch the last two. Dull.

I watched it all with my son but I thought exactly the same thing. Like the A team when the first and last quarters of the season are all action packed, flipping exploding Jeeps and riding exploding motorbikes through glass windows.

The rest is dull filler such as beating up the nasty con artist who's scamming granny out of her house or the developer shutting the orphanage.

[AshVX220]

ash73 said:

Rogue One is excellent too. The only one I don't like is Solo, which is a shame because he was my favourite character.

I rewatched ROS tonight and really enjoyed it again, dunno why people are moaning... it's either Star Wars nerds annoyed the twists in the story don't fit with their own mental model, or blokes who can't cope with strong female characters .

Maybe people will appreciate the new trilogy more as time goes by.

Here-in lies the problem, as I already mentioned, pretty much every Star Wars fan loves Rogue One, with a strong female lead character, so that argument is completely flawed. It seems to me those that claim to like this move are the ones who are overly "woke" and just see injustice around every corner and when the flaws of something that spend so much time telling the world how "woke" it is are pointed out, they can only use the bigotry trope to explain why people don't like it.

Strong female characters have nothing to do with how utterly st and disconnected TLJ and RoS are.

[AshVX220]

ash73 said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I liked the original idea of them being nobodies, the whole hereditary jedi powers thing is a bit elitist .

Really?!?! Again bringing an overly "woke" view to a universe that is already kind of understood. You can bring into the story line that force sensitivity is something anyone can have, but you don't have to make the whole elitist connection. It's like the casino stuff in TLJ. Oh look how nasty and evil rich people and corporations are. WTF, I'm not having Disney tell me about how bad huge wealthy corporations are FFS!

(and I love Disney, had annual passes for WDW when I lived in Florida and spent practically every other weekend there for 2 years)

[AshVX220]

p1stonhead said:

Bullett said:

They even screwed up the final battle, running along the top of a star destroyed, really? And had the emperor had all those crews and ships on furlough for 30 years? Also they missed a chance to have white (rebel) stormtroopers fight red storm troopers.

I actually quite liked the Rey being a nobody angle.

I refuse to believe that the palpatine angle was even a possibility until after the last jedi. They just had to do something to give the story a proper baddie.

Does anyone know if palpatine was ever in the plan originally?

Apparently JJ has said that was always the plan, however I don't believe a word of it. They needed something to try and bring the fans back and Palpatine was it, also why the release was delayed I think. Nothing to do with Star Wars overdose (which was another excuse as to why TLJ wasn't well received) and just about needing the extra time to untangle the mess.

[AshVX220]

Murph7355 said:

Tlandcruiser said:

...The mandalorian is good too

I thought it was tedious. Like a low rent A Team (original version). Or one of the stage shows they put on at Disney.

Couldn't even be bothered to watch the last two. Dull.

That's a shame as the last two are the best and generally pull the whole story together and show where the entire show is going.