Bangers and Cash - Yesterday channel

[Randy Winkman]

aeropilot said:

52classic said:

+1 on that Aston, it just seemed to vanish into the ether!

Date of the auction would be a help if we want to pontificate about values.

Its almost impossible to tell, as the editing is now so mixed up, each episode could be mix n match from across a huge time frame.
At one point Dave moaned about the heat, so likely it was on one of the few hot days last summer that snippet was filmed, but who knows for the rest.....

The editing was piss poor regarding the Aston as well, as at one point the film showed the dusty DBS, but the narrator mentioned DB6, and then they cut to Derek's DB6, and then to Derek talking about the DBS but standing next to his own V8 (with the ghastly wire wheels)......

Liked the Ro80 though, looked to be in nice condition....but very much a niche market. I would have expected them to be bought and sold within the small circle of the owners club rather than a commercial auction......which is why it probably only hit 10k.

Wire wheels on a car that doesn't suit them are a pet hate of mine. To be honest, I even prefer E-Types and Morgans without them.

[Doofus]

daqinggregg said:

There is so mush tripe, spoken and written about these cars from people who don’t have a clue what they are talking about.

The 208 GT4 was sold only in Italy and was designed to avoid punitive new Italian taxes on cars with engine capacities of more than 2.0 litres. The Ferrari engine is one of several 2.0-litre V8s to be produced, all by Italian makers. Yet its 1990.64 cc capacity undercut rivals, if only by a few cubic millimetres. It still remains the lowest capacity V8 road car ever built.

Yep it was a slow old donkey.

Acceleration 0 - 100 km/h (62mph) in a brisk 7.7 seconds, and maximum speed was 220 km/h (137 mph). Its little V8 still sang to a heady and musical 7700 rpm.

I think it’s safe to say, it was a master class in design and engineering.

The 208 was also sold in Portugal.

I've not used Wiki.

[Smollet]

Bluevanman said:

Smollet said:

That's why you didn't put a space between pedantic and

Off cause.

I ce what you did there

[pingu393]

Randy Winkman said:

Wire wheels on a car that doesn't suit them are a pet hate of mine. To be honest, I even prefer E-Types and Morgans without them.

I think wire wheels are for two types of people.

Those who have never had them, and those who can afford to have them cleaned.

[biggbn]

WPA said:

biggbn said:

Derek's comments that 'its all Audi' about the RO80 was entirely wrong wasn't it? If he meant it feels like an early Audi, I can get that, but he seemed to be saying it had Audi seats etc...?

RO80 was designed well before the Audi takeover, the K70 which became a Volkswagen had input from VW but RO80 was nothing to do with them.

In fact the merger of Auto Union and NSU in turn led to Audi being formed.

I'm sure Audi was a company in the early 20th century, evolving from Horch?

[aeropilot]

biggbn said:

WPA said:

biggbn said:

Derek's comments that 'its all Audi' about the RO80 was entirely wrong wasn't it? If he meant it feels like an early Audi, I can get that, but he seemed to be saying it had Audi seats etc...?

RO80 was designed well before the Audi takeover, the K70 which became a Volkswagen had input from VW but RO80 was nothing to do with them.

In fact the merger of Auto Union and NSU in turn led to Audi being formed.

I'm sure Audi was a company in the early 20th century, evolving from Horch?

Not by name though, although, yes it can ultimate trace its origins back to Horch. However, the Audi brand name didn't arrive until the late 60's IIRC.

[thegreenhell]

biggbn said:

WPA said:

biggbn said:

Derek's comments that 'its all Audi' about the RO80 was entirely wrong wasn't it? If he meant it feels like an early Audi, I can get that, but he seemed to be saying it had Audi seats etc...?

RO80 was designed well before the Audi takeover, the K70 which became a Volkswagen had input from VW but RO80 was nothing to do with them.

In fact the merger of Auto Union and NSU in turn led to Audi being formed.

I'm sure Audi was a company in the early 20th century, evolving from Horch?

It was, but it was later merged into Auto Union along with Horch, DKW and Wanderer, and the Audi name disappeared after WWII until the new Audi company was formed in 1969 following the merger between Auto Union and NSU. The four rings of the Audi badge is actually the original Auto Union logo, representing the four members of Auto Union, one of which was the original Audi company.

[biggbn]

aeropilot said:

biggbn said:

WPA said:

biggbn said:

Derek's comments that 'its all Audi' about the RO80 was entirely wrong wasn't it? If he meant it feels like an early Audi, I can get that, but he seemed to be saying it had Audi seats etc...?

RO80 was designed well before the Audi takeover, the K70 which became a Volkswagen had input from VW but RO80 was nothing to do with them.

In fact the merger of Auto Union and NSU in turn led to Audi being formed.

I'm sure Audi was a company in the early 20th century, evolving from Horch?

Not by name though, although, yes it can ultimate trace its origins back to Horch. However, the Audi brand name didn't arrive until the late 60's IIRC.

Audi named cars been around since 1910. The merged 'four rings' company was indeed late 60s I think, the four rings representing Audi, Horch, Wanderer and NSU was introduced in the thirties and called Auto Union, ultimately morphing into Audi under VW.

Or, as Derek says, 'it's all Audi this'....

[woodypup59]

Mumbles Boy.

If you're still around, could you pm me more info about the green mini van / pickup we see in the title sequence.

We're restoring one at present and would like to talk - if it hasn't been sold of course.

[PositronicRay]

biggbn said:

aeropilot said:

biggbn said:

WPA said:

biggbn said:

Derek's comments that 'its all Audi' about the RO80 was entirely wrong wasn't it? If he meant it feels like an early Audi, I can get that, but he seemed to be saying it had Audi seats etc...?

RO80 was designed well before the Audi takeover, the K70 which became a Volkswagen had input from VW but RO80 was nothing to do with them.

In fact the merger of Auto Union and NSU in turn led to Audi being formed.

I'm sure Audi was a company in the early 20th century, evolving from Horch?

Not by name though, although, yes it can ultimate trace its origins back to Horch. However, the Audi brand name didn't arrive until the late 60's IIRC.

Audi named cars been around since 1910. The merged 'four rings' company was indeed late 60s I think, the four rings representing Audi, Horch, Wanderer and NSU was introduced in the thirties and called Auto Union, ultimately morphing into Audi under VW.

Or, as Derek says, 'it's all Audi this'....

Horch means 'Listen', Audi is the Latin translation.

[aeropilot]

No way will the ex-Ronnie Petersen Elan get anywhere near £60k.....

[Red9zero]

aeropilot said:

No way will the ex-Ronnie Petersen Elan get anywhere near £60k.....

Surprised Derek didn't say his prices were a bit hopeful.

[aeropilot]

Red9zero said:

aeropilot said:

No way will the ex-Ronnie Petersen Elan get anywhere near £60k.....

Surprised Derek didn't say his prices were a bit hopeful.

I was gobsmacked it got as high as 44k in the first auction, owner should have jumped at that, but yet again, we have an owner with utterly unrealistic price expectations.....

[nicanary]

aeropilot said:

No way will the ex-Ronnie Petersen Elan get anywhere near £60k.....

The vendor should have taken the £44k offered at the first auction. That's big money for that model.

[Matty3]

nicanary said:

aeropilot said:

No way will the ex-Ronnie Petersen Elan get anywhere near £60k.....

The vendor should have taken the £44k offered at the first auction. That's big money for that model.

Was offered for sale at Race Retro auction in Feb this year - didn't meet reserve - not sold.

[thegreenhell]

He'd already tried selling the Esprit at H&H before trying twice at Mathewsons, and once at Iconic since then.

Maybe he needs to rethink his price expectations.

[WPA]

They kept saying JPS Esprit but I am sure they did both a JPS and world champions editions.

I believe the standard JPS car had silver wheels.

Seller was dreaming with prices, yes Ronnie Peterson may have owned it once but it was so long ago I doubt it even matters now.

[aeropilot]

WPA said:

They kept saying JPS Esprit but I am sure they did both a JPS and world champions editions.

I believe the standard JPS car had silver wheels.

Nope, gold wheels were standard on the JPS, and there were no separate JPS and World Champion editions.

From fading memory, there was around 90 odd sold in UK, and about 40 odd sold in the ROW.

[WPA]

aeropilot said:

WPA said:

They kept saying JPS Esprit but I am sure they did both a JPS and world champions editions.

I believe the standard JPS car had silver wheels.

Nope, gold wheels were standard on the JPS, and there were no separate JPS and World Champion editions.

From fading memory, there was around 90 odd sold in UK, and about 40 odd sold in the ROW.

I am a little puzzled, from the books I have on Lotus and Esprit they class these cars as JPS editions as well.

[aeropilot]

WPA said:

aeropilot said:

WPA said:

They kept saying JPS Esprit but I am sure they did both a JPS and world champions editions.

I believe the standard JPS car had silver wheels.

Nope, gold wheels were standard on the JPS, and there were no separate JPS and World Champion editions.

From fading memory, there was around 90 odd sold in UK, and about 40 odd sold in the ROW.

I am a little puzzled, from the books I have on Lotus and Esprit they class these cars as JPS editions as well.

I wouldn't have said they were looking at them.......but that's from old memories of 30+ years ago when in Club Lotus......they weren't even 10 years old back then!!
One of the guys that used to come to the Herts meet back in the mid 80's had one, and it was just like the one on the show, with the same graphics, and the gold fabric seat trim, gold wheels etc. Can't remember what number it was though....40-something rings a bell....? He was the 2nd owner.