1917 (WWI movie)

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FourWheelDrift

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88,523 posts

284 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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Yep, black and white films of WWI always look muddy, grey and overcast (Autumn/Winter). It's only when they colourise them as in Peter Jackson's film that you realise it's actually a bright sunny day, the heavy dark shadows you missed in B&W show up. Plus you spot the grass too.

kev1974

4,029 posts

129 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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Adam B said:
dvb70 said:
I don't think it's actually that unrealistic to have greenery not too far back from the front lines. I have read a few accounts where there were fields not too far back from the lines. Some of the lines did not move for years so it was only really the front lines being shelled constantly. I think we have a slightly skewed view of the trenches from a modern perspective that makes as picture a hellish mud scape stretching for mile upon mile but it does not quite match the reality.
thats what I suspected, thanks
I need to rewatch Peter Jackson's "They Shall Not Grow Old", that has a lot of real front line footage if I remember, just can't remember if it is all close up with the men shots or anything more distant?

I remember that film featuring basic railways that they eventually built to bring the supplies/ammo and troops up to the front, I understand that the trains were slow and short, and the tracks were a special almost-miniature gauge that were very easy to put down, or take up and move, just by manpower, no specialist heavy machinery required.

yellowjack

17,078 posts

166 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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kev1974 said:
I need to rewatch Peter Jackson's "They Shall Not Grow Old", that has a lot of real front line footage if I remember, just can't remember if it is all close up with the men shots or anything more distant?

I remember that film featuring basic railways that they eventually built to bring the supplies/ammo and troops up to the front, I understand that the trains were slow and short, and the tracks were a special almost-miniature gauge that were very easy to put down, or take up and move, just by manpower, no specialist heavy machinery required.
Railway Companies of the Royal Engineers were vital to the war. Those really light gauge railways were versatile because like you say they were prefabricated in manhandle-able sections, and didn't require totally flat terrain, nor ballast.

Steam engines were used tofrom the rear echelon areas, and petrol/diesel engines used to get right up to the front to avoid clouds of steam and coal fire smoke from giving away the position (and schedule) of the railways...

RE Railway Companies were split into two types, Construction... https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and...

And Operating Companies... https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and...

kev1974

4,029 posts

129 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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they look like interesting links, thanks

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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gareth h said:
Crossflow Kid said:
ukaskew said:
I live on the edge of the Plain, almost applied for an extra spot but it was quite a time commitment. As I recall they had a lot of pushback just to dig the trenches as there were concerns about uncovering remains, so they were very very limited in how much they could disturb as it all had to be surveyed.
Think that’s more to do with protecting the environment and not disturbing any unexploded ordnance than uncovering “remains”.
They separated the spoil that was dug out to construct the trenches, big pile of topsoil and an even bigger one of chalk, presumably it went back in the same order it came out.
The local pub did very well out of the filming!
Most likely the concerns will have been for archaeological remains...the plain is full of the stuff.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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Oh, and the film itself? An absolutely superb bit of film making. Intense all the way through, technically excellent, and all the sets and scenery were brilliantly done.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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I've heard it is as good as Dunkirk, look forward to watching it, Dunkirk was Epic though so the bar is high.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 13th January 2020
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CrutyRammers said:
gareth h said:
Crossflow Kid said:
ukaskew said:
I live on the edge of the Plain, almost applied for an extra spot but it was quite a time commitment. As I recall they had a lot of pushback just to dig the trenches as there were concerns about uncovering remains, so they were very very limited in how much they could disturb as it all had to be surveyed.
Think that’s more to do with protecting the environment and not disturbing any unexploded ordnance than uncovering “remains”.
They separated the spoil that was dug out to construct the trenches, big pile of topsoil and an even bigger one of chalk, presumably it went back in the same order it came out.
The local pub did very well out of the filming!
Most likely the concerns will have been for archaeological remains...the plain is full of the stuff.
https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/ffe899c2/files/uploaded/SalisburyPlainTrainingArea_AreportfortheNationalMappingProgramme.pdf

[quote]Salisbury Plain is a unique area of chalk grassland, which presents important opportunities for archaeological survey. It is the last surviving large area of unploughed grass downland in southern England, and represents 40% of such land in Europe. There are archaeological sites remaining as extant earthworks when elsewhere they would have been ploughed out long ago, leaving only traces visible on aerial photographs. This state of preservation allows for a much more detailed survey of such sites without recourse to the destructive techniques of excavation.

cuprabob

14,627 posts

214 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Decided to go and see it yesterday and it lives up to the hype, in my opinion. Not seen Dunkirk though, so can't make any comparison other Harry Styles in not in 1917 smile

CooperD

2,867 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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I saw it yesterday and thought it was superb. Great acting throughout and the scenery and trench scenes very detailed.

Silkyskills

201 posts

52 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Hands down the best film I've seen in the last 3 years.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Very good and very well executed.
Bit lacking on plot - the basic premise is pretty much laid bare in the first five minutes but that doesn’t matter as it’s totally captivating and draws you in.
Some parts seem a little slow but this captures the boredom of warfare interspersed with the exciting bits I guess.
The wide angle aerial tracking shot of Schofield running the length of a trench parapet as the troops emerge is simply brilliant, must-see stuff.
Best performance for me was Andrew Scott as a brutally realistic and thus totally disillusioned Lieutenant who appears to still be in control but at the same time just doesn’t care any more.

TopTrump

3,226 posts

174 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Brilliant film. Just superb, much better than Dunkirk!!

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
I've heard it is as good as Dunkirk, look forward to watching it, Dunkirk was Epic though so the bar is high.
Much, much better imho.

paulw123

3,217 posts

190 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Looking forward to seeing this. Dunkirk was beyond dreadful. Last reasonable WW2 film was Hacksaw ridge.

Se7enheaven

1,719 posts

164 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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paulw123 said:
Looking forward to seeing this. Dunkirk was beyond dreadful. Last reasonable WW2 film was Hacksaw ridge.
Have to agree with you on Dunkirk also. Seeing it on Imax still didn’t save it.
Neither 1917 or Dunkirk are classics I’m sorry to say.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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paulw123 said:
Looking forward to seeing this. Dunkirk was beyond dreadful. Last reasonable WW2 film was Hacksaw ridge.
1917 isn’t without its “Oh FFS” moments which, just like Dunkirk, stand out because the rest of the film is so good.
If someone could point to a map of Flanders and show me where there’s a raging mountain stream leading to a 100’ waterfall that’d be great.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Only on pH does Dunkirk get bad reviews. Elsewhere it is rated highly. I'm looking forward to 1917.

Adam B

27,247 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
Only on pH does Dunkirk get bad reviews. Elsewhere it is rated highly. I'm looking forward to 1917.
Pedants go to the cinema looking for reasons to moan, others like me go for a bit of escapism or a good story or a bit of joy/suspense etc

Who gives a f if a 10 second clip includes an unlikely geographic feature smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Dunkirk, the stuff with spitfire was enough for me, probably the last time in a major film. Yes it had unlimited ammo and gliding time, but when the legend becomes fact, print the legend.