The Game Changers Documentary
Discussion
El stovey said:
You’re vegetarian AND low carb? I couldn’t do that, I don’t think. 
Yeah, it’s a bit more tricky but there’s plenty of recipes out there. Just depends how much time you have to plan meals and all that malarkey.Just to give an idea today’s food is....
Skyr and blueberries
Three scrambled eggs
Veggie and quorn egg-fried rice
Handful of hazelnuts
Soy powder, almond milk, peanut butter and blueberry shake
Mushroom and olive pizza with cauliflower and ‘parmesan’ base
Of course, come Saturday things change slightly and I’m much less strict.
Edited by horsemeatscandal on Monday 18th November 10:32
El stovey said:
I’ve moved to a more plant based diet over the years and feeling better for it. Results show in my training and medical examinations. I’m not a full on vegan or even veggie.
I think the trouble is people are a bit polarised about this stuff.
That's just it isn't it. People see veganism/vegetarianism as a binary state. You either are or aren't, which I don't think is necessarily true. It's only 'identity politics' which makes it that way. I think the trouble is people are a bit polarised about this stuff.
I think the best way is to just try it for a few weeks/months/whatever. You know your own body, health and fitness levels better than anyone. If it works, great, if it doesn't then there are no rules saying you can't go back to a greasy fry-up every morning if that's what you feel works for you.
My compromise is this - From now on I will only eat meat which I have personally killed. So the odd bit of venison or wood pigeon, and that is it. No more farmed or mass-produced stuff.
LimaDelta said:
My compromise is this - From now on I will only eat meat which I have personally killed. So the odd bit of venison or wood pigeon, and that is it. No more farmed or mass-produced stuff.
I cut out meat for all the usual reasons, but the most important one for me related to the ethics. I personally couldn’t kill an animal therefore I don’t believe it’s fair for me to eat it, especially when it’s welfare during it’s life was dubious and it is presented to me in a sterile plastic box. However if someone is willing to raise an animal in good conditions, kill it, butcher it and use as much of it as possible, that’s perfectly fine and really quite a good thing to do. Same thing for sustainable hunting, as in your case. Not that you need positive confirmation from an internet stranger, but that’s a side of the argument I’m quite passionate about. 
horsemeatscandal said:
I cut out meat for all the usual reasons, but the most important one for me related to the ethics. I personally couldn’t kill an animal therefore I don’t believe it’s fair for me to eat it, especially when it’s welfare during it’s life was dubious and it is presented to me in a sterile plastic box. However if someone is willing to raise an animal in good conditions, kill it, butcher it and use as much of it as possible, that’s perfectly fine and really quite a good thing to do. Same thing for sustainable hunting, as in your case. Not that you need positive confirmation from an internet stranger, but that’s a side of the argument I’m quite passionate about.
This is sort of the track I am on now, Local meat raised, butchered and sold locally is on the menu at our house.Small local farms dont have the welfare issues found in the mass producers.
Its sustainable, and they can only raise and sell what they are able to, puts the price up a bit yes, but this also helps lower the amount of meat we eat.
Probably exactly the same as our ancestors lived.
Luckily its all fields in Cumbria so there are plenty of meaty choices!
alorotom said:
LimaDelta said:
Anyone seen this?
I would say I have reduced my meat consumption by 75% over the last year or so but now seriously contemplating a 100% plant-based diet now. But since all documentaries are pushing an agenda of one kind or another - are there any real negatives? I know veganism is on the rise and believed to be 10% of the UK population now.
So PH meat-eaters, do your best to debunk! Why should I not do this?
I haven't seen the documentary and I have to admit, I've had a few plant based burgers and steaks recently and they have been as good as or better (more often the latter) than the real thing.I would say I have reduced my meat consumption by 75% over the last year or so but now seriously contemplating a 100% plant-based diet now. But since all documentaries are pushing an agenda of one kind or another - are there any real negatives? I know veganism is on the rise and believed to be 10% of the UK population now.
So PH meat-eaters, do your best to debunk! Why should I not do this?
I'm not a massive bacon fan and think I could go vegan full time but my other half is a big meat eater so it just wouldn't fly at home. I have noticed that while I'm away with work (4 days a week) I just don't eat meat at all.
TX.
not at all, watch it with an open mind and I would be surprised if you didn't at least agree with a lot of what is said, if not actually change your diet to some degree.eybic said:
EmilA said:
I found this link on the health section of PH. The show made it sound like unless you eat vegan your going to die soon, and funny enough while watching it I really wanted some chicken wings.
None the less, it was an interesting thing to watch and it made me consider altering my diet, however reading the article below which seems to be much more credible and scientifically correct compared to the Netflix film, it makes you think how much of it was recorded/edited to put across the point that unless your vegan your killing yourself and the world?
https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-gam...
The Netflix doc didn't come across with that point of view to me, it was just highlighting that so many of the myths surrounding a Vegan diet are incorrect, I don't think that anyone (vegan or not) can argue that meat production is indeed "killing the world" can they?None the less, it was an interesting thing to watch and it made me consider altering my diet, however reading the article below which seems to be much more credible and scientifically correct compared to the Netflix film, it makes you think how much of it was recorded/edited to put across the point that unless your vegan your killing yourself and the world?
https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-gam...
Terminator X said:
Sounds very religion / cult ish? Best avoided in that case.
TX.
It can offer the cult/religion thing to people who need that in their lives.TX.
That's no reason to avoid it though. Trainspotters are a bit obsessed with trains and timetables etc... not a good readon to avoid trains.
I think people need to realise that there is a huge well-funded push for vegetarianism at the moment. It has nothing to do with your health, nothing to do with saving the planet, and everything to do with profit(*) - vegetable and cereal products are unbelievably profitable for an entire chain of industries. Google the commodity prices per tonne, and beef prices per kilo. 
- except to the Seventh Day Adventists, who want you to eat their Garden of Eden diet and Kellogg’s products to stop you masturbating and to bring about the Rapture. And they are way bigger than you think.
grumbledoak said:
I think people need to realise that there is a huge well-funded push for vegetarianism at the moment.
Yes, a lot of the more vocal environmentalists and vegans at work seem to think the movements are immune to capitalism. There are a lot of people getting very rich from other peoples environmental guilt.alorotom said:
I haven't seen the documentary and I have to admit, I've had a few plant based burgers and steaks recently and they have been as good as or better (more often the latter) than the real thing.
I'm not a massive bacon fan and think I could go vegan full time but my other half is a big meat eater so it just wouldn't fly at home. I have noticed that while I'm away with work (4 days a week) I just don't eat meat at all.
Can you point me in the direction of these burgers / steaks? I've been trying to do a few days a week veggie to cut my meat consumption a bit and so far the various things i've tried have been quite hit n missI'm not a massive bacon fan and think I could go vegan full time but my other half is a big meat eater so it just wouldn't fly at home. I have noticed that while I'm away with work (4 days a week) I just don't eat meat at all.
eybic said:
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I am very much a meat and potato man as far as diet goes, I watched this doc and am seriously considering altering my diet, the results shown (in my mind) can't be argued with such as the massive drop in Cholesterol and clearer Plasma. Also 2500 cups of water to produce 1 burger, absolutely ridiculous.
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Cholesterol is a poor metric for measuring health, and the whole clear versus cloudy plasma was rather odd.I am very much a meat and potato man as far as diet goes, I watched this doc and am seriously considering altering my diet, the results shown (in my mind) can't be argued with such as the massive drop in Cholesterol and clearer Plasma. Also 2500 cups of water to produce 1 burger, absolutely ridiculous.
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Fats and triglycerides essential for health must be transported about the body; I'd be more concerned if my plasma were clear.
eybic said:
The Netflix doc didn't come across with that point of view to me, it was just highlighting that so many of the myths surrounding a Vegan diet are incorrect, I don't think that anyone (vegan or not) can argue that meat production is indeed "killing the world" can they?
Of course they can, because it's nonsense.It's industrial farming that's the issue - vast swathes of mono-culture are as bad or worse than feedlots.
British/European grass fed beef and lamb is pretty good, though could still be improved.
Brads67 said:
Naked glory are the best ones I've tried.
Have been veggie for 1 month and feel good so far.
When you say 'Feels good'.. is that all the time? As in - can you quantify it compared to how you felt previously?Have been veggie for 1 month and feel good so far.
I just wondered if there was a noticable difference - if so what are the differences?.. more energy in the morning / performing better in sporting hobbies maybe.. better movements in the toilet?
When I stopped smoking (probably 10 years ago or more) There were no major differences, apart from my hands not smelling after a smoke break, or maybe I became slightly more aware of the smell of smoke that lingered on those around me that were still smoking.
The only way I did 'feel better / good' was that my worry / self loathing of being addicted to something damaging and expensive had gone. The tricky bit was breaking the associations with smoking and shared moments with friends (at the top of a ski run, after a trackday, down the pub with mates, working on a car in the garage)
Also when I have a bacon, egg and sausage sandwich.. in really nice bread, with tomato sauce.. possibly browning off the bread in the frying pan for even more flavor - its bloody amazing!!.. people come from other parts of the house to join in the experience, animals gather around my feet!! (this is only an occasional treat) So I'd need vegitarianism / veganism to make me feel that good to even consider turning my back on bacon / sausage etc for ever. I have non of the little niggles that came with smoking about the food I eat - hopefully that makes sense.
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