The Game Changers Documentary

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coffeebreath said:

I came across the documentary "Dominion" on YouTube and after watching that I have suitably sworn off meat for good. The animal consumption machine today which sees billions of animals raised for meat, obscene levels of waste that never make it to slaughter, depraved levels of cruelty, to me, is just not acceptable..

Why has it sworn you off meat for good.

Why not stop buying cheap meat, and instead pay more for quality meat that is sourced more naturally.

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mikiec said:

coffeebreath said:

'm not vegan yet, I'm just vegetarian. Maybe I wasn't clear also but regardless of the farming methods, my problem is I like animals and don't want to contribute to their suffering so directly. I can quite easily get through life without needing to eat them.

Additionally, the video you posted is a grass-fed utopia farm which is not the common practice in the USA and nor anywhere else in the world. That farmer understands that his livestock need to express their natural tendencies and is obviously aware of his moral obligation to minimise their suffering in their short-lived lives. I have already purchased meat from similar high end organic/grass-fed/free range farms in the UK at huge cost to myself. It really only relieved about 50% of the guilt.

Try watching the first 10 minutes of Dominion and get back to me before discussing farming methods any further https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

But animals are going to die in the production of your food:

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/songbird...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/weekend-australia...

In New Zealand, most meat is raised closer to the ‘utopia’ then anything displayed in a vegan propaganda doc. If you’re truly concerned about animal welfare you need to be concerned about farming practice , whether meat or crops. But it is more woke to be vegan

Again, I'm not vegan yet. I'm certainly not "woke". I could give two sts about The Game Changers documentary. If Netflix shunted that crap off and uploaded Dominion I'm absolutely sure the shops would be throwing away a lot of xmas turkey this year. It's not "my" food, it's "our" food. I eat nothing that you likely don't eat. Oh except I hate olives, and I'd comment on the second article but it's hidden by a click-to-pay. I just don't eat meat anymore. Not sure how you can call large scale depravity and abuse as "propaganda" but sure. And of course I care about farming methods, it's a huge contributing factor to why I stopped eating meat.

Yes, New Zealand has a Grade A on the animal protection Index. Along with the UK, Austria, and Switzerland. Unfortunately, those are the only 4 countries in the world who have this grade. There are only 4 countries with Grade B, all in Europe. Most of the world is grade C and under. Australia is Grade C, so when you watch the Dominion documentary you are essentially watching the "average" conditions, the "average" treatment, the "average" slaughter. When you consider the level of farming by the Grade A countries it is propotionately only a fraction of the industry as a whole. Let's look at pigs killed for slaughter:

Australia: 4.9 million (grade C)
UK: 11 million (grade A)
US: 118 million (grade D)
NZ: 0.6 million (grade A)
Canada: 21 million (grade D)
China: 715 million (grade F)

These grades are slightly different if you look at farming standards in isolation (China becomes grade C).

Even if the animal is raised in very good conditions, I now see that the only humane way to kill an animal for food is that in which you would starve without killing the animal for food. All forms of slaughter will involve fear, suffering and/or abuse for the animals. Most animals raised for food are born into cruelty, live fking horrendous lives, and will commonly die before slaughter. The common livestock life cycle in average farming + slaughter methods around the world basically represents a vision of hell that I'm sure most people would not wish upon their worst enemy.

hyphen said:

Why has it sworn you off meat for good.

Why not stop buying cheap meat, and instead pay more for quality meat that is sourced more naturally.

I already said I stopped buying cheap meat a long time ago. I'm sworn off meat because I no longer see tasty cuts of food, I literally just see hunks of dead animals. My perspective has shifted in a way I cannot unsee. You can read my other reply above for more info.


Again, before anyone replies, get through the first 10 minutes of Dominion then let's talk.