White House Farm murders - ITV series
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youngsyr said:
How would you have any idea if I would change my mind in light of new evidence?!
You don't even have a basic grasp of key points of this case, let alone provide anything new!
You're a joke.
How can anyone provide anything new? You don't even have a basic grasp of key points of this case, let alone provide anything new!
You're a joke.
The case is what it is.
The tv dramas have been on
He has tried for a retrial.
What new evidence do you expect random strangers to “find” online?
Beyond belief.
Everyone here is simply debating the possibility - as there is no eye witness, no DNA, no guilty plea - and a sustained innocent plea.
You have said in a number of posts Jeremy B is 100% guilty /don’t look at certain things just look at it as a whole.
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
Welshbeef said:
She was suffering from serious mental health issues Bi polar too & it’s a point of fact in the days running up to the murders she was having an “event”. She was out of control. Sadly these days we see far too often killers who have serious mental health. Could she be another ? Maybe.
Please provide a source for this.aponting389 said:
Welshbeef said:
She was suffering from serious mental health issues Bi polar too & it’s a point of fact in the days running up to the murders she was having an “event”. She was out of control. Sadly these days we see far too often killers who have serious mental health. Could she be another ? Maybe.
“Maybe?” As in “maybe” she executed 5 family members, had a fight with a 6’5” man who was covered in blood, traversed the kitchen covered in broken glass, sugar and blood then killed herself with a gun that was too long for her to reach the trigger and using the same finger on the trigger that she used for the other victims. All this while keeping her feet, hands and nightdress completely void of any gunshot residue, blood, glass or sugar! Maybe, I suppose.She also managed to struggle with her father, who was bleeding from at least 3 wounds, and batter him with the gun and shoot him dead, without getting any of his blood on her or so much as chipping a nail.
She then went upstairs, sat down next to her mother, whom she hated enough to murder, and shoot herself in the head. Twice. Killing herself instantly on the second shot.
Then she removed the silencer from the gun, went downstairs and put the silencer in the gun cupboard, went back upstairs and laid down in the spot where she had previously killed herself.
Then her father got up, rang Jeremy and told him his sister was going mad with a gun. Despite her father having a bullet wound to the jaw, which broke his jaw, damaged his teeth and mouth and made it impossible to speak even close to clearly. Then he lay back down and resumed being dead.
So, yeah, maybe she was the killer.
Welshbeef said:
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
Like repeatedly making snide comments about posters ages?originals said:
Largechris said:
Don’t think he needed to in any case, it was a family gun that everyone including Sheila used. Makes no difference in terms of fingerprints, and gunshot residue and oil (re Sheila clothing as highlighted earlier) doesn’t seem to have been an evidence factor.
This is incorrect. Read the linked summary on an earlier page.
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
She was suffering from serious mental health issues Bi polar too & it’s a point of fact in the days running up to the murders she was having an “event”. She was out of control. Sadly these days we see far too often killers who have serious mental health. Could she be another ? Maybe.
Please provide a source for this.Welshbeef said:
youngsyr said:
How would you have any idea if I would change my mind in light of new evidence?!
You don't even have a basic grasp of key points of this case, let alone provide anything new!
You're a joke.
How can anyone provide anything new? You don't even have a basic grasp of key points of this case, let alone provide anything new!
You're a joke.
The case is what it is.
The tv dramas have been on
He has tried for a retrial.
What new evidence do you expect random strangers to “find” online?
Beyond belief.
Everyone here is simply debating the possibility - as there is no eye witness, no DNA, no guilty plea - and a sustained innocent plea.
You have said in a number of posts Jeremy B is 100% guilty /don’t look at certain things just look at it as a whole.
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
You're not even aware of your own hypocrisy, are you?
Even when I pointed out your snide and ageist comment (the second time you made it).
Report away, you're a joke.
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
Like repeatedly making snide comments about posters ages?This in my mind means people who were either not yet born then or primary school etc whereby they had no knowledge or it / rather their sole source is watching tv.
For example you have no idea of my age / apart from the fact my PH username goes back to 2007 & I’ve stated I lurked for some time before creating a username let alone posting. Likewise I don’t know your age.
youngsyr said:
Welshbeef said:
youngsyr said:
How would you have any idea if I would change my mind in light of new evidence?!
You don't even have a basic grasp of key points of this case, let alone provide anything new!
You're a joke.
Can you even try to answer the challenges I have raised to you - & as you stated a few pages back you’d happily address anyone on this, appears your reluctance to try. You don't even have a basic grasp of key points of this case, let alone provide anything new!
You're a joke.
I rarely report and have not done so as I hope I’d flagged my concern the way the language was progressing. Keep it friendly #yourajoke!
How can anyone provide anything new?
The case is what it is.
The tv dramas have been on
He has tried for a retrial.
What new evidence do you expect random strangers to “find” online?
Beyond belief.
Everyone here is simply debating the possibility - as there is no eye witness, no DNA, no guilty plea - and a sustained innocent plea.
You have said in a number of posts Jeremy B is 100% guilty /don’t look at certain things just look at it as a whole.
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
You're not even aware of your own hypocrisy, are you?
Even when I pointed out your snide and ageist comment (the second time you made it).
Report away, you're a joke.
youngsyr said:
Don't forget that she handled and fired the gun like an expert, reloaded it at least twice with a minimum of 15 rounds, with long perfectly manicured nails, without any trace of lead or oil from the ammo found on her hands or under her long, perfect nails.
She also managed to struggle with her father, who was bleeding from at least 3 wounds, and batter him with the gun and shoot him dead, without getting any of his blood on her or so much as chipping a nail.
She then went upstairs, sat down next to her mother, whom she hated enough to murder, and shoot herself in the head. Twice. Killing herself instantly on the second shot.
Then she removed the silencer from the gun, went downstairs and put the silencer in the gun cupboard, went back upstairs and laid down in the spot where she had previously killed herself.
Then her father got up, rang Jeremy and told him his sister was going mad with a gun. Despite her father having a bullet wound to the jaw, which broke his jaw, damaged his teeth and mouth and made it impossible to speak even close to clearly. Then he lay back down and resumed being dead.
So, yeah, maybe she was the killer.
And as someone who did read the appeal summary posted earlier, you will know the actual sequence of shooting events has never been established by the police, think it was around page 60. She also managed to struggle with her father, who was bleeding from at least 3 wounds, and batter him with the gun and shoot him dead, without getting any of his blood on her or so much as chipping a nail.
She then went upstairs, sat down next to her mother, whom she hated enough to murder, and shoot herself in the head. Twice. Killing herself instantly on the second shot.
Then she removed the silencer from the gun, went downstairs and put the silencer in the gun cupboard, went back upstairs and laid down in the spot where she had previously killed herself.
Then her father got up, rang Jeremy and told him his sister was going mad with a gun. Despite her father having a bullet wound to the jaw, which broke his jaw, damaged his teeth and mouth and made it impossible to speak even close to clearly. Then he lay back down and resumed being dead.
So, yeah, maybe she was the killer.
Let’s stick to being clear about what we know for a fact and what we are speculating about.
Largechris said:
originals said:
Largechris said:
Don’t think he needed to in any case, it was a family gun that everyone including Sheila used. Makes no difference in terms of fingerprints, and gunshot residue and oil (re Sheila clothing as highlighted earlier) doesn’t seem to have been an evidence factor.
This is incorrect. Read the linked summary on an earlier page.
You need to read the summary again.
No-one could ever remember her touching a gun in her life (other than once on modelling assignment) apart from Bamber.
None of her friends, family, people in the village or farm workers.
Just Bamber.
Hhhhmmm...
Largechris said:
youngsyr said:
Don't forget that she handled and fired the gun like an expert, reloaded it at least twice with a minimum of 15 rounds, with long perfectly manicured nails, without any trace of lead or oil from the ammo found on her hands or under her long, perfect nails.
She also managed to struggle with her father, who was bleeding from at least 3 wounds, and batter him with the gun and shoot him dead, without getting any of his blood on her or so much as chipping a nail.
She then went upstairs, sat down next to her mother, whom she hated enough to murder, and shoot herself in the head. Twice. Killing herself instantly on the second shot.
Then she removed the silencer from the gun, went downstairs and put the silencer in the gun cupboard, went back upstairs and laid down in the spot where she had previously killed herself.
Then her father got up, rang Jeremy and told him his sister was going mad with a gun. Despite her father having a bullet wound to the jaw, which broke his jaw, damaged his teeth and mouth and made it impossible to speak even close to clearly. Then he lay back down and resumed being dead.
So, yeah, maybe she was the killer.
And as someone who did read the appeal summary posted earlier, you will know the actual sequence of shooting events has never been established by the police, think it was around page 60. She also managed to struggle with her father, who was bleeding from at least 3 wounds, and batter him with the gun and shoot him dead, without getting any of his blood on her or so much as chipping a nail.
She then went upstairs, sat down next to her mother, whom she hated enough to murder, and shoot herself in the head. Twice. Killing herself instantly on the second shot.
Then she removed the silencer from the gun, went downstairs and put the silencer in the gun cupboard, went back upstairs and laid down in the spot where she had previously killed herself.
Then her father got up, rang Jeremy and told him his sister was going mad with a gun. Despite her father having a bullet wound to the jaw, which broke his jaw, damaged his teeth and mouth and made it impossible to speak even close to clearly. Then he lay back down and resumed being dead.
So, yeah, maybe she was the killer.
Let’s stick to being clear about what we know for a fact and what we are speculating about.
It was established that June was shot and killed in her bedroom and Nevill was shot and injured in the same room, most likely after June had been shot.
Nevill got out of bed and proceeded downstairs to the kitchen, being shot several more times on the way. There was then a struggle in the kitchen, at the end of which Nevill was fatally shot.
If the killer was Sheila, she would then have had to have returned upstairs to the original bedroom and shoot herself.
If she hadn't killed her kids at the start if she shooting prior to shooting her mother, she would have had to have shot them before killing herself.
If the killer was Jeremy, the shooting sequence is less certain.
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
Like repeatedly making snide comments about posters ages?This in my mind means people who were either not yet born then or primary school etc whereby they had no knowledge or it / rather their sole source is watching tv.
For example you have no idea of my age / apart from the fact my PH username goes back to 2007 & I’ve stated I lurked for some time before creating a username let alone posting. Likewise I don’t know your age.
Are you saying anyone younger that you won't know anything or have a valid opinion on this subject?
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
She was suffering from serious mental health issues Bi polar too & it’s a point of fact in the days running up to the murders she was having an “event”. She was out of control. Sadly these days we see far too often killers who have serious mental health. Could she be another ? Maybe.
Please provide a source for this.originals said:
So why did you state something that's disputed as fact?
You need to read the summary again.
No-one could ever remember her touching a gun in her life (other than once on modelling assignment) apart from Bamber.
None of her friends, family, people in the village or farm workers.
Just Bamber.
Hhhhmmm...
Well her family were dead so couldn’t say, and her cousins had a reason to implicate Jeremy. And if Jeremy did lie about her handling guns, that only makes his murder plan even more bizarre.You need to read the summary again.
No-one could ever remember her touching a gun in her life (other than once on modelling assignment) apart from Bamber.
None of her friends, family, people in the village or farm workers.
Just Bamber.
Hhhhmmm...
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
Like repeatedly making snide comments about posters ages?This in my mind means people who were either not yet born then or primary school etc whereby they had no knowledge or it / rather their sole source is watching tv.
For example you have no idea of my age / apart from the fact my PH username goes back to 2007 & I’ve stated I lurked for some time before creating a username let alone posting. Likewise I don’t know your age.
Are you saying anyone younger that you won't know anything or have a valid opinion on this subject?
Where did I say anyone younger than me? I might not have been born when it happened or I could be decades earlier. …..
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
She was suffering from serious mental health issues Bi polar too & it’s a point of fact in the days running up to the murders she was having an “event”. She was out of control. Sadly these days we see far too often killers who have serious mental health. Could she be another ? Maybe.
Please provide a source for this.originals said:
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
She was suffering from serious mental health issues Bi polar too & it’s a point of fact in the days running up to the murders she was having an “event”. She was out of control. Sadly these days we see far too often killers who have serious mental health. Could she be another ? Maybe.
Please provide a source for this.It aired on ITV a number of years ago /cannot recall when.
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
originals said:
Welshbeef said:
Don’t get personal as I’ll report your post this is a friendly debate weak individuals need to lower themselves to snide nasty comments to other usernames & it is strictly against the forum rules (ie ban if your caught doing so).
Like repeatedly making snide comments about posters ages?This in my mind means people who were either not yet born then or primary school etc whereby they had no knowledge or it / rather their sole source is watching tv.
For example you have no idea of my age / apart from the fact my PH username goes back to 2007 & I’ve stated I lurked for some time before creating a username let alone posting. Likewise I don’t know your age.
Are you saying anyone younger that you won't know anything or have a valid opinion on this subject?
Where did I say anyone younger than me? I might not have been born when it happened or I could be decades earlier. …..
So what is the point you are making???
And the relevance of peoples ages?
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