Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 4)

[sgtBerbatov]

maz8062 said:

sgtBerbatov said:

maz8062 said:

jayemm89 said:

The Tom Hartley website mentions Paul's Lambo as having had a "500+ hour restoration" - I know it got repainted, and that surely took a while, but I don't think the car was really ever "restored" was it?

I may have missed something but that seems somewhat inaccurate

It looks like you’re questioning Tom Hartley’s integrity as a business. The car looks spot on the website, I don’t see what’s the issue that people tend to have with it:

https://www.tomhartley.com/used-car-details/used-l...

Does it though?

It's a car that's had 500+ hours of restoration, and is up for £160,000 (near enough), yet they couldn't be bothered to fix the scuffing where the dash meets the door?

Yes, but when you have 1 YouTuber questioning the integrity of another YouTuber and a business,, it’s bound to end up with beef

To make my life easier I tend to take these things at face value. If one has £160k to spend on one of the cheapest Murci’s in the UK, they’ll either factor in the odd bits and pieces that are not perfect or they’ll look elsewhere. If one is not interested in buying the car why, criticise and cast aspersions on those that are just trying their best?

If someone has £160,000 to spunk on a car, and they're considering this car, the fact it's being sold with "500+ hours of restoration" on it would be a huge factor in buying it. For a car that costs more than a house in the UK, that's had that amount of work done to it, you expect it to be perfect. You don't expect a car with a scruffy interior.

Unless, of course, you don't like money and you find burning £50 notes a tad uncooth. Then by all means buy it.

The fact though that someone in the industry can't call out the sthousery of another person in their industry is absurd.

[jayemm89]

500 hours would mean the car was worked on ten hours a day, five days a week, for ten weeks - that could not possibly be just the respray, but I don't recall anything else restorative being done?

This is not a dig/accusation, more just wondering what they are counting in those hours? It seemed such an odd thing for them to have mentioned when saying "full high quality respray" would surely cover what Barkaways did quite comfortably

I suppose Paul and I could arrange for some beef, be good for views. I quite like rib-eye. Rare.

[614-HSO]

CooperS said:

Lee Jones Jnr said:

jayemm89 said:

The Tom Hartley website mentions Paul's Lambo as having had a "500+ hour restoration" - I know it got repainted, and that surely took a while, but I don't think the car was really ever "restored" was it?

I may have missed something but that seems somewhat inaccurate.

Also, the photos on their website are awful. Compressed to hell. They make the car look far worse than it does (It looked gorgeous in the video where it was collected)

Edited by jayemm89 on Monday 22 February 11:04

Is your accusation that Tom Hartley can’t be trusted because they are liars or that they can’t be trusted because they don’t do their due diligence and just believe whatever they are told?

Haha calm down.

We've all seen Paul's 'restoration' videos which tbh focused heavily on the body work and paint.

He took it to a specialist to get the parts refitted and they did a service (this is what we were told on camera).

The 500 hours was referenced as the body work / paint but who knows if Paul meant the other work to put it back together.

Through this he's never mentioned new brakes or clutch or tyres or anything else for that matter.

So it's not a nut and bolt resto but in the way of YouTube tradition - was it ever clear? It's not like Harry M and Tyrrells who appear completely transparent and upfront what's being done and why etc - and let's face it the likes of SoL, AH and TGE who use clickbait and general terms to mask things - so who ever knows what's real?? (And who really cares - it's toilet filler entertainment for 10 minutes a day)

The car has not had any restoration at all other than being painted back to the original colour it left the factory.

Why anyone one would buy a black Lamborghini anyway is beyond me, the only reason you would do so is if you were going to wrap it.

With the state that Paul got the car in, in the first place it was clear that the car had not been looked after, for me the car needs to have a full, total and complete restoration by a recognised and respected company.

I have never been a fan of the Murciélago, I know it was basically a re-bodied Diablo with better shut lines and a combination of VW/Audi trying to better the car and keep it going for more time before they can sort the replacement, but I would rather have a Diablo or Aventador, the Diablo is basically the same car but just looks so much better in the Gandini design and the Aventador is the true successor to the Diablo in my opinion.

That car is surely going to need money spent on it, do we know how much he got the car for originally?

Edited by 614-HSO on Monday 22 February 13:47

[Meridius]

I had no idea the Murcielago were that value to be honest, I know its a V12 Lambo but I assumed they were a 70-80k car. Can see why its been such a big gulp moment for the SOL lad to have sunk that much money into it now.

Maybe the 500-hour restoration is taking into account prior work that has been done too? You know in a 'previous owna dun the cambelt @60k' ebay advert kind of way

[maz8062]

614-HSO said:

The car has not had any restoration at all other than being painted back to the original colour it left the factory.

Edited by 614-HSO on Monday 22 February 13:47

That’s the definition of a restoration.

[yeager2004]

contango said:

I think that is a little harsh?
Hubnut has always been someway along "the spectrum", but things have definitely turned for the worse now he has taken a cowshed in "Royston Vasey".
It is gradually morphing into an episode of League of Gemtlemen and associated characters?

Given the schools in Wales re-opened today, I can only imagine more content including Miss Hubnet, since they're both now dedicated full time to the channel.

[614-HSO]

maz8062 said:

614-HSO said:

The car has not had any restoration at all other than being painted back to the original colour it left the factory.

Edited by 614-HSO on Monday 22 February 13:47

That’s the definition of a restoration.

The car has not been restored it has been re-sprayed, it is not like the car was a perfect example before Paul got the car, why else would it have been the cheapest Lamborghini Murcielago you could buy, it is not just because it had a respray, there must surely be others that have had a colour change.

[jayemm89]

Some restorative work =/= a restoration

I recall when he got it I tried to find the car on VVS' website, and it wasn't even in the "sold" section.

I suspected this might have been something they got in either for him, or he bought it before it was listed. I don't believe the original price was ever disclosed. I can't blame him for that.

[sisu]

jayemm89 said:

500 hours would mean the car was worked on ten hours a day, five days a week, for ten weeks - that could not possibly be just the respray, but I don't recall anything else restorative being done?

This is not a dig/accusation, more just wondering what they are counting in those hours? It seemed such an odd thing for them to have mentioned when saying "full high quality respray" would surely cover what Barkaways did quite comfortably

I suppose Paul and I could arrange for some beef, be good for views. I quite like rib-eye. Rare.

You have more than one person working on a car. The stripping of the car, repairs, reassembly, guide coat, resanding, primer, paint and reassembly all require multiple goes at getting it to look ok.
So at any stage it could go back many times and all of these sections of a car could be progressing at different speeds. The Murci has thermoplastic, aluminium, steel and composite carbon.
All work is dependent on the other ground work being done and the car normally has multiple refittings and coats of primer/ paint.
Having your most expensive person or skilled specialist doing the job you pay and hopefully a stack the same work waiting for them takes alot of management.
It is like making a movie. Yes you could do it yourself, it would take 500 hours or you could get a bunch of people and do it in 2 weeks.

[eadingleberry]

He'll eventually end up selling to a bottom feeder, only market for it.

A former Lamborghini salesman, of all people, should have known better than to get into something like that.

[614-HSO]

jayemm89 said:

Some restorative work =/= a restoration

I recall when he got it I tried to find the car on VVS' website, and it wasn't even in the "sold" section.

I suspected this might have been something they got in either for him, or he bought it before it was listed. I don't believe the original price was ever disclosed. I can't blame him for that.

I found the whole thing very suspicious indeed.

VVS seemed to wash their hands of it, and once people started asking questions about the issues you could see visually on the car it was as if Dub Customs wanted the car back to remove the wrap as soon as they could, nobody would remove the wrap leaving the car damaged and looking like that and drive it about.

I also keep coming back to when he first got the car and what he wanted it for, he wanted to have a car in a grey colour, I cannot remember the Lamborghini colour name, so yes buy the cheapest you can and then respray it in the grey you want, (I would have thought just buying a grey car would have been cheaper)

not buy a car in white
wrap it grey
from nowhere say there is a issue with the paint and have the grey wrap removed thus taking a layer of paint/lacquer
finding out from nowhere that the car was originally black
having the car resprayed black
tries to sell the car

[anonymous-user]

614-HSO said:

tries to sell the car

Wasn't there a (probably) Archie Hamilton video where they all met up with their cars and Paul claimed it was worth £200k? I seem to Remember Tony laughing and saying if you want to sell it in two years you should start advertising it now?

https://youtu.be/rQ3rujotBsk?t=448

There you go, also shows the fantastic condition it is/was in.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 22 February 16:28

Tony also commented that he originally told Paul to leave it at VVS and not even pick it up......

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 22 February 16:29

[MisterBigglesworth]

Go LHD and you can get a genuine and unmolested Grigio telesto with orange q citura roadster with about 25k on the clock for about 160k

No way Paul’s example was ever worth 200k.



https://www.autoscout24.de/angebote/lamborghini-mu...

[AJB1971]

614-HSO said:

finding out from nowhere that the car was originally black

He always knew the car was originally black -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TaLfdul3yg

According to the description on the following video, the ‘restoration’ actually took 750 hours -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ugW4QfIvhc

I'm not sure if he's including all of the work done on the car whilst it was in his possession. Kind of a retrospective restoration.

[sisu]

I feel sorry for SOL as he wanted a Murci V12. He wanted the jet set lifestyle of the people he built his life on.
He isn't a person who can repair the car himself so doing a Tavarish in Watford was never going to happen and you could see early on how dependent he was on 3rd parties helping him out and this paying for itself by getting youtube traffic.
If he had wanted to improve or maintain the value of his car he should have spent more time at the official Lambo dealers getting a good foundation and then side stepped to side projects.

[jon-]

jayemm89 said:

Some restorative work =/= a restoration

I recall when he got it I tried to find the car on VVS' website, and it wasn't even in the "sold" section.

I suspected this might have been something they got in either for him, or he bought it before it was listed. I don't believe the original price was ever disclosed. I can't blame him for that.

I went with Paul to view the Murci before be bought it. I can't remember any specific details really, however there was nothing obvious to me that the car wasn't from their stock.

The sale was agreed way before he went public with it so it's likely that's why you couldn't find it on the vvs site.

[anonymous-user]

sisu said:

I feel sorry for SOL as he wanted a Murci V12. He wanted the jet set lifestyle of the people he built his life on.

Totally agree.

I think the issue is he is hanging around with other YouTubers who essentially have a lot more money than him. STGs father is a Lord, Schmees and Mr JWW dads are successful business men, Archie's dad is a Classic/Super car dealer and TGE has lots of fingers in lots of pies.

SOL just doesn't have access to the sort of money they do, or have the backup if it all goes wrong. I suspect he borrowed up to his eyeballs to have that Lambo sitting outside his apartment.

I just feel he never quite fits in with the others.

[Jules Sunley]

Sounds to me like SOL just over extended himself. It's all very well wanting something, but if over extending to get it then means you can't afford to look after it properly (not following service recommendations etc) then it is just massive depreciation waiting to happen and he could take a massive bath on it (maybe one he really can't afford to do) and then end up hating the memory of it for a very long time.

Always better to walk before you can run to avoid falling flat on your face. I'm sure we all have cars we would like, and 'could get' (via scary finance figures , or not saving for the future etc), but decide against on rational grounds and prefer to work towards saving for over time so that if/when we do own it we can actually enjoy it. I don't want to ever own a car I can't afford to put lots of miles on if I want to and pay for thorough maintenance as well as the resulting depreciation.

I'm not much of a Lambo fan, and don't watch SOL other than having seen the odd video in past years that have popped up, but surely he would have been better avoiding the high end stuff. Didn't he have an R8 or a Gallardo at one point? Much more manageable to run and less likely to ruin him.

[maz8062]

For me, if the advert on a site like Tom Hartley says it has had 500 hrs worth of restorative work why question it? Tom Hartley sells cars with provenance as long as your arm. Vettel has just sold his fleet of cars with Jr Hartley so these guys have a reputation to upkeep. Taking pops at the ad because you don’t like SOL for whatever reason is fine, but try not to tarnish the image and reputation of the selling dealer with personal digs at SOL.

Any prospective buyer looking to spend £160k on a car, warranted by TH is going to do their own due diligence. They’ll have to be satisfied that the car is as described or they’ll be gunning for TH.

If SOL can get out of this experience without too much capital loss good on on him. I don’t watch his channel but on the odd occasion that I have, I found him to be an inoffensive chap that doesn’t go out of his way to upset people, nit pick at other YouTubers or court controversy. He’s a vanilla YTber in a sea of vanilla YTbers.

Cut the guy some slack.

Edited by maz8062 on Monday 22 February 18:32

[1602Mark]

Beyond Rational said:

I've seen less orange peel in a grocers, did they mix in some Hammerite?

Really? The pics I saw looked pretty good. We all know black is the hardest colour to paint any car and they certainly appeared to be doing the prep work to a high standard. I've never seen it in the metal though.

There's a huge selection of cars open to you at that price point though and a Lambo that has been kept outside (albeit under a cover) and thrashed through tunnels for YouTube videos isn't exactly top of the list is it?