Why do they do it? genuine question!

[Rick101]

When I was a younger chap a wise man once passed on some of his life wisdom.
Only a few words but many years later I look back and think how true they are.
Years later I passed them down to my own son.

1. You'll spend your whole life waiting for women.
2. bhes be crazy.

[BurtonLazars]

Leslie Ash didn’t want her lips to look like that. It was a procedure that went wrong out of her control.

As far as I’m aware a “nonce” is slang for a child molester. So, no - I don’t think you’re a child molester for sneering at someone who suffered surgical failures. I do, however, think you’re a massive tt for doing it.

[pquinn]

I understand why people have cosmetic treatments, the problem is usually that while they might work short term a lot of it leaves a long term mess. In trying to improve things you just fk them up.

If you're lucky the effects are just minor not properly debilitating.

[Piersman2]

BurtonLazars said:

This thread pisses me off. And you guys have every right to your views, but here’s mine before I leave you to it.

For years women have had to endure a society (and especially the case in movie & music industries) in which their primary value is their beauty. Even today the amount of films where the male actor is 50 but his wife is 20-something is just disgraceful. As said above take a look at the “who’s aged” thread, which is nothing more than a thin veneer excuse to sneer at people for not looking how they did decades ago - regardless of whether or not they’re a better person now who’s achieved something great.

In this environment, with then the added fuel of “everyone presenting only their best selves” on social media (where best self is faked and airbrushed) - is it any wonder that people try treatments to delay aging? Add into that mental health / low self esteem issues, that cause people to double down on this stuff and you have a giant cluster fk. IMO most of the people you’ll sneer at were mentally vulnerable people who were then exploited by the people around them.

Can I kindly suggest that the people who want to sneer on this thread take a moment to consider that they’re partly responsible for what’s happening. And that if they don’t like it, they can change it in a positive way rather than victim blaming.

I know a bunch of you guys will think I’m a woke liberal. But on the other side, you guys seem like outdated dinosaurs. A hair’s breadth away from when Jimmy Saville would in public pat women on the bum, ask for the “one with the big knockers”, etc. It wasn’t ok then, it was just socially acceptable. It still isn’t ok now, and thankfully it’s becoming not socially acceptable any more. These women put up with it in silence because they had to and were conditioned to.

Also you don’t plump lips up with Botox. You sound like a dumb bint recommending to cure brake squeal by oiling them.

/rant

As admirable as your rant is, you seem to have missed the bit where virtually 100% of the posters here actually seem to support your view and have said that people SHOULD NOT use these 'enhancements'. What your little sidestep into Jimmy Saville has got to do with anything on this thread escapes me.

[P-Jay]

BurtonLazars said:

Leslie Ash didn’t want her lips to look like that. It was a procedure that went wrong out of her control.

As far as I’m aware a “nonce” is slang for a child molester. So, no - I don’t think you’re a child molester for sneering at someone who suffered surgical failures. I do, however, think you’re a massive tt for doing it.

It's more of a laugh than a sneer to be fair, and you brought up Saville to add a little more venom to your statement so don't go scurrying away from it now.

We're not talking about some poor Women who has surgery to help cure her of some mental scar caused by body dysmorphia, were talking about people who, in part, use their appearance to further their career, feed their vanity or both, it's as fair game to comment on them as it is to comment on a footballer who can't score or Singer who can't hit a note.

[Nimby]

BurtonLazars said:

... Also you don’t plump lips up with Botox. You sound like a dumb bint recommending to cure brake squeal by oiling them.

Try Googling "botox lip flip" - surprised me too, but it's a thing.

[deckster]

BurtonLazars said:

This thread pisses me off. And you guys have every right to your views, but here’s mine before I leave you to it.

For years women have had to endure a society (and especially the case in movie & music industries) in which their primary value is their beauty. Even today the amount of films where the male actor is 50 but his wife is 20-something is just disgraceful. As said above take a look at the “who’s aged” thread, which is nothing more than a thin veneer excuse to sneer at people for not looking how they did decades ago - regardless of whether or not they’re a better person now who’s achieved something great.

In this environment, with then the added fuel of “everyone presenting only their best selves” on social media (where best self is faked and airbrushed) - is it any wonder that people try treatments to delay aging? Add into that mental health / low self esteem issues, that cause people to double down on this stuff and you have a giant cluster fk. IMO most of the people you’ll sneer at were mentally vulnerable people who were then exploited by the people around them.

Can I kindly suggest that the people who want to sneer on this thread take a moment to consider that they’re partly responsible for what’s happening. And that if they don’t like it, they can change it in a positive way rather than victim blaming.

I know a bunch of you guys will think I’m a woke liberal. But on the other side, you guys seem like outdated dinosaurs. A hair’s breadth away from when Jimmy Saville would in public pat women on the bum, ask for the “one with the big knockers”, etc. It wasn’t ok then, it was just socially acceptable. It still isn’t ok now, and thankfully it’s becoming not socially acceptable any more. These women put up with it in silence because they had to and were conditioned to.

Also you don’t plump lips up with Botox. You sound like a dumb bint recommending to cure brake squeal by oiling them.

/rant

With respect, you have 100% misunderstood both this thread, and society. As has been said, 100% of responses are expressing distaste for the results and bewilderment for why people want the procedures in the first place.

If you want to place blame, I would suggest you look to the pages of Heat, Cosmo, and the Mail Online - not PH.

[105.4]

deckster said:

With respect, you have 100% misunderstood both this thread, and society.

If you want to place blame, I would suggest you look to the pages of Heat, Cosmo, and the Mail Online - not PH.

You took the words right out of my mouth there Deckster. Well said.

Social media has a large part to play in this. I’d much rather see natural beauty than the work of a surgical procedure.

[Pixelpeep Z4]

from what i've seen on social media and experienced in the work place, its actually women who are 'shaming' other women.

they've whipped themselves up into a self for-filling prophecy, but acting like dinosaurs and STILL blame men. We haven't been part of the equation since the launch of facebook in 2004

[Pan Pan Pan]

Pixelpeep Z4 said:

from what i've seen on social media and experienced in the work place, its actually women who are 'shaming' other women.

they've whipped themselves up into a self for-filling prophecy, but acting like dinosaurs and STILL blame men. We haven't been part of the equation since the launch of facebook in 2004

To some extent I understand why women (even beautiful women) use make up etc to enhance their looks, because for women it seems to be an arms race, to ensure `their' best chance of achieving whatever goals they have, compared to the women around them.
Using make up etc can also help their confidence levels, and in the case of those blessed with less than perfect looks, still improve their chances.
But when tattoos, and the type of surgery being discussed here (or both) are used, which ends up turning them into grotesques, it goes outside my understanding of why any would choose to do it.
As asked before I wonder if those who indulge in it, actually do believe they look better. Or do they look in the mirror and think Oh b*lloxs I have f*cked my face up, for nothing?

[Pan Pan Pan]

BurtonLazars said:

Leslie Ash didn’t want her lips to look like that. It was a procedure that went wrong out of her control.

As far as I’m aware a “nonce” is slang for a child molester. So, no - I don’t think you’re a child molester for sneering at someone who suffered surgical failures. I do, however, think you’re a massive tt for doing it.

Even where the operation goes `right?' those that indulge in this, STILL manage to make themselves look bizarre, for what reason?
As mentioned before, I can fully understand why those unfortunate to have suffered an accident / illness (even a malicious attack) which cause some real problems, which have affected their appearance, having this sort of procedure done.,
But for perfectly normal, (and in many cases of already of good appearance) people to do it, is so very strange.
I hope the desire for unnecessary tats, or plastic surgery is just a passing fad that will (hopefully soon) die out. (Probably wont though)

[ghost83]

I can’t understand why people mess with their faces as it always goes wrong

Anything south of the neck is fine though as long as they don’t end up looking a dogs dinner

[Cotty]

ghost83 said:

I can’t understand why people mess with their faces as it always goes wrong

Anything south of the neck is fine though as long as they don’t end up looking a dogs dinner

Its funny, a tatoo artist will generally not tatoo anyone's face but plastic surgons have no problems cutting up any ones face who wants it.

[Pan Pan Pan]

As the saying goes !Lets cut some sthkin!

[nicanary]

Pan Pan Pan said:

BurtonLazars said:

Leslie Ash didn’t want her lips to look like that. It was a procedure that went wrong out of her control.

As far as I’m aware a “nonce” is slang for a child molester. So, no - I don’t think you’re a child molester for sneering at someone who suffered surgical failures. I do, however, think you’re a massive tt for doing it.

Even where the operation goes `right?' those that indulge in this, STILL manage to make themselves look bizarre, for what reason?
As mentioned before, I can fully understand why those unfortunate to have suffered an accident / illness (even a malicious attack) which cause some real problems, which have affected their appearance, having this sort of procedure done.,
But for perfectly normal, (and in many cases of already of good appearance) people to do it, is so very strange.
I hope the desire for unnecessary tats, or plastic surgery is just a passing fad that will (hopefully soon) die out. (Probably wont though)

Interesting point. I wonder what Katie Piper thinks of these people ?

[Pan Pan Pan]

nicanary said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

BurtonLazars said:

Leslie Ash didn’t want her lips to look like that. It was a procedure that went wrong out of her control.

As far as I’m aware a “nonce” is slang for a child molester. So, no - I don’t think you’re a child molester for sneering at someone who suffered surgical failures. I do, however, think you’re a massive tt for doing it.

Even where the operation goes `right?' those that indulge in this, STILL manage to make themselves look bizarre, for what reason?
As mentioned before, I can fully understand why those unfortunate to have suffered an accident / illness (even a malicious attack) which cause some real problems, which have affected their appearance, having this sort of procedure done.,
But for perfectly normal, (and in many cases of already of good appearance) people to do it, is so very strange.
I hope the desire for unnecessary tats, or plastic surgery is just a passing fad that will (hopefully soon) die out. (Probably wont though)

Interesting point. I wonder what Katie Piper thinks of these people ?

That sir, is an excellent question.

[Pan Pan Pan]

BurtonLazars said:

Leslie Ash didn’t want her lips to look like that. It was a procedure that went wrong out of her control.nt
As far as I’m aware a “nonce” is slang for a child molester. So, no - I don’t think you’re a child molester for sneering at someone who suffered surgical failures. I do, however, think you’re a massive tt for doing it.

There wasn't anything wrong with Leslie Ash`s lips or her face, in the first place. (she may not even have got the jobs she did in TV / show business if there had been) Yet she did that to `herself' and probably paid a lot of cash for the dubious privelege of wrecking her face. and What for?

[StevieBee]

ghost83 said:

I can’t understand why people mess with their faces as it always goes wrong

Anything south of the neck is fine though as long as they don’t end up looking a dogs dinner

Worth noting that you only tend to notice when it's gone wrong or the client's requirement exceeded the recommendation of the surgeon. There's plenty that have a bit of work done that you wouldn't notice until you realise they're knocking 90.

[Pan Pan Pan]

StevieBee said:

ghost83 said:

I can’t understand why people mess with their faces as it always goes wrong

Anything south of the neck is fine though as long as they don’t end up looking a dogs dinner

Worth noting that you only tend to notice when it's gone wrong or the client's requirement exceeded the recommendation of the surgeon. There's plenty that have a bit of work done that you wouldn't notice until you realise they're knocking 90.

I guess the problem is, that there are plenty who don't get anywhere 90 before the `enhancements' become noticeable, and not in a good way.

[Fishlegs]

Everybody is just trying to be happy.



That's pretty much all you need to know about why anyone does anything.