BBC - Time - Jimmy McGovern

[Antony Moxey]

Ayahuasca said:

Remember Twopenceshort? He found himself in the Sean Bean position and wrote a very good thread about it.

‘Time’ is harrowing, and any of us could find ourselves in that situation with a moment’s carelessness in a car.

If Pritti Patel watches it expect sugar and pool to be banned forthwith.

• 10penceshort.

[Ayahuasca]

Antony Moxey said:

Ayahuasca said:

Remember Twopenceshort? He found himself in the Sean Bean position and wrote a very good thread about it.

‘Time’ is harrowing, and any of us could find ourselves in that situation with a moment’s carelessness in a car.

If Pritti Patel watches it expect sugar and pool to be banned forthwith.

• 10penceshort.

That's inflation for you.

[Ayahuasca]

The message of the drama is about as subtle as a pool ball in a sock, but I think there is a case for prison to be made much harder, not softer.

Harder as in hard labour.

Get prisoners to break rocks, or do PT all day, and they will be too knackered to beat each other up. Physical fitness improves morale, attitude, discipline and mental health. I would get them boxing too, compulsory boxing. There would be a lot less bullying.

Oh, and electric kettles in cells? WTF?

[Halmyre]

Ayahuasca said:

The message of the drama is about as subtle as a pool ball in a sock, but I think there is a case for prison to be made much harder, not softer.

Harder as in hard labour.

Get prisoners to break rocks, or do PT all day, and they will be too knackered to beat each other up. Physical fitness improves morale, attitude, discipline and mental health. I would get them boxing too, compulsory boxing. There would be a lot less bullying.

Oh, and electric kettles in cells? WTF?

The last thing you want is a bunch of physically fit pugilists released back into the wild.

[Muzzer79]

Munter said:

Pothole said:

I'd probably react just like the character did though. Scares the sh8t out of me, the thought of going inside.

Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?

I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)

I follow a quite interesting chap on TikTok, who was sent to prison a few years ago for GBH and now makes videos informing people about what prison is really like - typical day, myths, truths, food, etc, etc.

First rule he said was "never show weakness" If someone hits you, whether you're Ronnie Kray or Ronnie Corbett, you need to stand up to them there and then.
You'll get more respect if you fight and lose than if you do nothing.

Ayahuasca said:

I would get them boxing too, compulsory boxing. There would be a lot less bullying.

Oh, and electric kettles in cells? WTF?

You think boxing is a good idea in a prison?

Kettles in the cell because they eat two thirds of their meals in the cell IINM. They need hot water to make stuff.

[StevieBee]

Biggus thingus said:

Don't normally watch this or any kind of made up drama but with Sean & Steve in it thought i'd try it

Started watching and got to point where prison guard has uncomfortable conversation then goes with wife to see son banged up in another prison and thought no thanks

You'd expect a screw, more than any other bloke on the planet, to have bent over backwards to ensure his lad did not end up banged up in the same environment that he works!

And then the lads body language when they visit him

I'm probably missing out on something worth watching but just seemed too ridiculous to me

Dramatisation allows you to bend reality to support the narrative. The well crafted dramas allow you to dispense with worrying too much about it and focus instead on the story that's being told. That's why I can enjoy watching Skyfall even though it takes James Bond a few seconds to run from Whitehall to what I know is Tower Hill and this impossible in reality. But it's not real so it doesn't matter. I'm just enjoying the ride of the story.

[Ayahuasca]

Muzzer79 said:

You think boxing is a good idea in a prison?

Yes, very much so, and I am not the only one.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/07/pr...

[SpeckledJim]

This was excellent, I thought.

Stephen Graham is always good, when he's not pretending to be Welsh, and Sean Bean is absolutely superb in this.

Should have channeled a bit of his inner Sharpe when facing the bully at the phone.

[Dan_1981]

Whole program made me feel really uncomfortable.

Intense viewing.

[droopsnoot]

I watched the first last night, and also hope I never get into the same situation. I really dislike bullies like the one we have here, because like a lot of people I can't beat them physically, so I'd be avoiding the situation as well as I could. In my mind I'd be running through what I'd like to do to them, but in reality I know it would just go wrong. I just know that I'd take my sock off, stick the pool balls in it, then discover that's the one sock with a hole in it and watch them fall harmlessly to the floor just after I've announced my intentions.

[Squadrone Rosso]

They’ve got the sights & sounds spot on. Acting is on point too.

[StevieBee]

Watched the final episode last night.

I'd say that's one of the best bits of telly I've seen in a long while.

Quite unsettling in a Chernobyl sort of way.

I like that it's just three episodes and not dragged out over weeks and weeks - which would have been easy to do.

I also reckon that's Sean Bean's finest performance. I've always found his acting not to my liking (Yorkshire Tea ad excepted) but he was excellent in this.

[vixen1700]

Dan_1981 said:

Whole program made me feel really uncomfortable.

Intense viewing.

Yep, totally agree to that.

[Dan_1981]

vixen1700 said:

Dan_1981 said:

Whole program made me feel really uncomfortable.

Intense viewing.

Yep, totally agree to that.

Just finished it.

Genuinely left feeling really uncomfortable. Don't think TV has ever had that impact before which sounds ridiculous but it was unpleasant viewing but the sort that you just couldn't stop watching.

Brilliant. I think.

[DSLiverpool]

Where was the pier in the final scene, I don’t recognise it if it’s North West.

[hab1966]

DSLiverpool said:

Where was the pier in the final scene, I don’t recognise it if it’s North West.

I thought it was Southport pier. Lights over the pier looked familiar but ive not been in the cafe/shop at the end for a good number of years.

[Don Veloci]

Quite enjoyed the story, if enjoy is even the right word for this kind of tale. Probably more so a feeling that Sean and Stephen were carrying it.

Stephen excellent as ever. Anything he's involved in catches my attention for viewing consideration.

Liking Sean in these vulnerable/not an alpha male roles - just looked back and noticed Broken was way back in 2017, Jimmy McGovern again.

[SpeckledJim]

Sooo good.

And whilst I usually like these things to be self-contained and 'finished', there's a good opportunity for a second series, mainly covering what's about to happen to Eric.

[phil-sti]

Pothole said:

Munter said:

Pothole said:

Munter said:

Really? You'd repeatedly go up to him about taking the phone, until eventually he punched you in the face?

I think it's either ignore it at the time, and serve revenge smarter later. (my preferred option). Or. Go batst mental and strangle the guy for a bit with the phone cord. (That's going badly for all involved)

I have no idea, do I? I've never been to prison.

But I presume you did go to school. The tactics used in the show are basically the same, so you'd work them the same.

You either walk away from the situation because you already lost that moment, or you try to escalate it in your favour (which usually go's badly unless you're "well 'ard").

The other moronic option is to take a punch to the face by interacting with them until they are forced to do something about that, and thus giving them a "stage" to show off, the knowledge you're thick as mince, and not going to fight back, so they can continue to use you like that. Nobody is realistically going to choose that option (except I guess teachers who're traditionally blind to this sort of activity, thus why he waked into it.) I mean, what's his expected outcome to his actions? The "bully" says "oh sorry, I do apologise, here, have the phone back"? Really?

Nice show, but for me that scene was lazy/wrong. He'd have walked away, or seen red and have his ass handed to him.

Yawn. I am aware of the options. I have absolutely no idea what I'd do. I'm old, fat and slow. I left school a long time ago. I haven't had to be involved in a physical altercation since 2006 and even then I could have chosen to walk away, but I got angry. 15 years on I doubt I'd do what I did then even in the same scenario, so as far as that fictitious prison situation goes, I haven't a clue.

Your forgetting that before the phone incident he witnessed the bully throwing hot, sugary water at the guy he thought was a grass. That in itself would change your thought process. He eventually had to learn to do the bare minimum to keep him safe.

[Muzzer79]

Finished it last night.

Unusual show in a way - my wife kept saying "When is something going to happen" like she was expecting an escape or something

I viewed it almost as like a docu-drama - gritty and real.

I throroughly enjoyed it, even if it does reinforce my view that I'd last all of 10 seconds banged up.....