LOKI - Marvel's best TV Series To Date?
Discussion
k off.lemmingjames said:
Relates to Infinity War but events from yesterday
So Loki learns that he can make illusions so strong that they appear physically real and that they are stronger than he realises so is able to 'level-up'.
Now, in IW, is the dagger (yes i could google) that he tries to stab Thanos with the one given to him. People noted that IW loki tried with his left(?) hand when hes right handed, so is the IW Loki going to be a vision and he hides like Rich Grants character said.
So if the above is correct, was the IW left handed thing intentional as it sets-up something to happen in Loki.
Though if he does make it back to 'our' timeline, does he suffer from amnesia as he didnt want mum to die but regains his memory? But i guess he has to make it back to 'our' timeline otherwise the time dated movies wouldnt work
Also, if they do take down the TVA, would this tie in with the Spiderman movie in that variants will be able to dimension jump. Obviously ive not looked at the next phase of movies to see if its all been explained.
As I understand itSo Loki learns that he can make illusions so strong that they appear physically real and that they are stronger than he realises so is able to 'level-up'.
Now, in IW, is the dagger (yes i could google) that he tries to stab Thanos with the one given to him. People noted that IW loki tried with his left(?) hand when hes right handed, so is the IW Loki going to be a vision and he hides like Rich Grants character said.
So if the above is correct, was the IW left handed thing intentional as it sets-up something to happen in Loki.
Though if he does make it back to 'our' timeline, does he suffer from amnesia as he didnt want mum to die but regains his memory? But i guess he has to make it back to 'our' timeline otherwise the time dated movies wouldnt work
Also, if they do take down the TVA, would this tie in with the Spiderman movie in that variants will be able to dimension jump. Obviously ive not looked at the next phase of movies to see if its all been explained.
TVA Loki is Avengers Assemble Loki
IW Loki is the same Loki as above but in the future, TVA Loki hasn't experienced his own death apart from when he saw it and his mothers death, his file ends after that so IW Loki really does die.
Classic Loki is from another timeline, instead of doing the same thing as IW Loki, he instead projects himself to Thanos and becomes some rubble then goes into exile once Thanos leaves.
As classic Loki was supposed to die by Thanos hand but doesn't, this deviates his timeline at which point the TVA hunts him as a variant.
The dagger I believe is Kid Loki's burning blade from his comic arc so it's not the same one IW Loki has, I'm guessing it's just a variant of it.
Also I don't think TVA Loki has learned to level up, he's just seen classic Loki do it and now knows he has the potential to do the same at some point. However he has learned the enchantment skill from Sylvie.
TVA Loki will be the prime Loki once the series ends next week and he is reinserted into the main current timeline, his mother is already dead and he saw what happened to her so guess he will just move on and be a good Loki rather than the scheming one we are used to.
Spiderman 3 is rumoured to have the previous Spidermen and villains from the old films along with Dr Strange 2 they will open up the multiverse which should finally see the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men cross over to the MCU.
How they do it though is anyone's guess, unless something drastic happens next week which allows people to jump timelines/universe's.
MiniMan64 said:
There must be a lot of hidden bits and pieces in that episode. Easter egg heaven.
New Rockstars Easter egg breakdown https://youtu.be/cB04Re6_Fp4Other channels like Heavy Spoilers will probably have similar videos.
Thought that they could have made more of Richard E Grant's Loki character ...
That 'end of time' setting should be a plot goldmine but all they are using it for is to give out Easter Eggs.
All in all, the show is turning out to be a big missed opportunity. The potential is there but really not utilised.
That 'end of time' setting should be a plot goldmine but all they are using it for is to give out Easter Eggs.
All in all, the show is turning out to be a big missed opportunity. The potential is there but really not utilised.
aparna said:
Yes, it feels more like a film than TV. Half the point of season TV is slowly developing characters, but Loki has gone from ass to saint in the space of a couple of episodes, and each world/setting tends to get one episode each. I'm not angry, just disapointed.
This is a good summary I think.It’s hard to believe that this is the Loki that just got captured after Avengers Assemble. It’s like he’s lived the subsequent events.
As much as there was pathos for the audience watching him get emotional at Frigga and Odin’s death, he was less emotional during the actual event in Ragnarok, after going through the events of the second film, etc.
The pacing is rather strange given I assume they must have known they’d get at least 2 seasons greenlit.
Edited by Durzel on Saturday 10th July 11:41
Durzel said:
The pacing is rather strange given I assume they must have known they’d get at least 2 seasons greenlit.
Not sure about that (S2). I get the sense that each of these series is a stepping stone from phase 4 to phase 5. It saves them having to do a load of origin story/backstory fill in films. My guess is that the plan is not to do S2 of any of them. BlackWidow13 said:
Durzel said:
The pacing is rather strange given I assume they must have known they’d get at least 2 seasons greenlit.
Not sure about that (S2). I get the sense that each of these series is a stepping stone from phase 4 to phase 5. It saves them having to do a load of origin story/backstory fill in films. My guess is that the plan is not to do S2 of any of them. MiniMan64 said:
BlackWidow13 said:
Durzel said:
The pacing is rather strange given I assume they must have known they’d get at least 2 seasons greenlit.
Not sure about that (S2). I get the sense that each of these series is a stepping stone from phase 4 to phase 5. It saves them having to do a load of origin story/backstory fill in films. My guess is that the plan is not to do S2 of any of them. I will be disappointed if episode 6 is the last we see of Loki, given I’ve read that he’s not in Thor God and Thunder, and under the circumstances of
EDIT: Infinity War
Edited by Durzel on Saturday 10th July 14:59
MiniMan64 said:
Leithen said:
Harumph.
Rather dreading that they will discover that the TVA is the creation of another Loki.
I think that’s entirely a possibility Rather dreading that they will discover that the TVA is the creation of another Loki.
There’s a lot of internet speculation that it will be the next ‘Big Bad’ in the MCU (supposedly Kang the Conqueror). That might get Marvel comic nerds excited, but it would leave most viewers wondering why some random dude appears in the last episode.
so they were trying to figure out how to finish it and someone said "the ending of the Matrix was good do that"
Unfortunately the writers watched Matrix Reloaded by mistake and we are treated to a forty minute "Architect" scene...
I've not seen Black Widow yet, but am starting to think Marvel have lost their touch...
Unfortunately the writers watched Matrix Reloaded by mistake and we are treated to a forty minute "Architect" scene...
I've not seen Black Widow yet, but am starting to think Marvel have lost their touch...
Durzel said:
Black Widow is pretty bland, as Marvel movies go. Her sidekick in it completely steals the movie, relegating poor Scarlett to the background in her titular movie, which is a bit surreal.
I think that was the whole point of that movie, pass the torch to Yelena. She'll no doubt be after Hawkeye when his series comes and have a part to play as the multiverse stuff plays out. I really enjoyed the Loki season, top notch Marvel universe stuff. Easter eggs galore, fun, well paced. Sylvie really didn't trust Loki even after all this and Loki himself had a self exploratory arc which seems fitting to the Loki we knew in End Game.
9/10 from me, Hiddlestone was class.
Edited by Spanna on Wednesday 14th July 16:22
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