LOKI - Marvel's best TV Series To Date?
Discussion
DanL said:
I enjoyed it, and I only really know the MCU…
i enjoyed the Avengers, and this for me was better than Wanda. I don't even watch any other series.The talk of matrix was correct but the man and women loki reminds me of starwars, luke and his sister. not a bad thing the best stories plagiarise others since Shakespeare.
The Spruce Goose said:
DanL said:
I enjoyed it, and I only really know the MCU…
i enjoyed the Avengers, and this for me was better than Wanda. I don't even watch any other series.The talk of matrix was correct but the man and women loki reminds me of starwars, luke and his sister. not a bad thing the best stories plagiarise others since Shakespeare.
SpudLink said:
I thought it was great. But the I can’t be bothered to argue with the chorus of disapproval.
the production values of this are like nothing else on TV. I think it is easy to criticise but compare it to anything else on TV at the momment, well there isnt anything that compares. I think everyone wants to be a critic these days,The Spruce Goose said:
the production values of this are like nothing else on TV. I think it is easy to criticise but compare it to anything else on TV at the momment, well there isnt anything that compares. I think everyone wants to be a critic these days,
You can appreciate the production value and not be thrilled with the story. It was a gorgeous show, episode 5 easily being a standout in that respect, I also have no issue with them trying something different (I adored Wandavision for the most part), however I did think this fizzled out with the promise of a season 2, something the other 2 series so far have done really well to avoid, they both felt like relatively self contained stories, albeit in a much bigger world.I'd still take these 6 x 50min shows over 24 episode seasons with no ending in sight, been burned far too many times by that, but plot wise I felt they really had something here as a concept, but ultimately for me it didn't quite deliver in the end.
I echo the sentiment about enjoying the series and the 'coming to age' tale of Loki. I mean he spent a bit of time in scenarios of introspection.
A couple of questions/observations:
- Might the multiverse explain the X Men version of Quicksilver in WandaVision? (which I've just realised in typing that it's a combination of Wanda + Vision... DOH!)
- Why didn't female Loki use her enchantment to ascertain the truth from 'Kang'?
A couple of questions/observations:
- Might the multiverse explain the X Men version of Quicksilver in WandaVision? (which I've just realised in typing that it's a combination of Wanda + Vision... DOH!)
- Why didn't female Loki use her enchantment to ascertain the truth from 'Kang'?
bolidemichael said:
- Why didn't female Loki use her enchantment to ascertain the truth from 'Kang'?
At that moment I don’t think she cared. She’s spent a millennia hiding in apocalypse situations planning revenge on whoever destroyed her world. His motives didn’t matter. She just wanted to watch him die. The Spruce Goose said:
the production values of this are like nothing else on TV. I think it is easy to criticise but compare it to anything else on TV at the momment, well there isnt anything that compares. I think everyone wants to be a critic these days,
Never mind the quality of the writing or how unengaging the story was - just look at how much money was spent on it!Whilst I appreciate fantastic production values, they are pointless if the rest of the package isn't up to snuff.
My view of the overall series:
- Good basic premise (TVA holding back the 'creation' of the multiverse)
- High production values (Ep 5 was a highpoint, also loved the aesthetics of the TVA)
- Some great acting, some so-so acting.
- Poor-to-awful writing .. The 'Lamentis' episode was a low point, just awful dialogue and plotting.
- Wasted the great premise and the Loki character (Ep, 5 was such a missed opportunity, goes back to the writing)
- Unengaging story - told in a downright boring way (again, writing)
My biggest issue, I guess, is that the Loki in the show behaves as if he's lived through all of the experiences that the audience has seen... but he hasn't.
The Loki in the TV show was plucked from the first Avengers film, being teleported using the tesseract just after being taken out by them. He wasn't remotely a good guy then, apart from one brief moment where he and Thor were on the roof and he was telling him to look at all of the destruction there was no indication that he was having second thoughts about any of his acts.
Even at the start of Thor: The Dark World - where he would've ended up naturally - he was unrepentant and single minded.
From the very first episode of the show, where he's sobbing at Odin saying "I love you my sons" - it doesn't really make sense when you think about their interaction at the start of Thor: The Dark World. I get why they did it, it's basically fan service, fans craved to see him show emotion like that, but it doesn't follow any logic - the Loki in the TV show acts essentially like the Loki just before he died, having experienced all of those "bad guy does some good stuff" events.
I would have expected the TV show Loki to have been a lot more challenging to deal with than he has been. He's basically been tamed in no time at all. I guess that is a limitation of the show format and the fact there have been only 6 episodes. But the "God of Mischief" hasn't really displayed much mischief at all, really.
The Loki in the TV show was plucked from the first Avengers film, being teleported using the tesseract just after being taken out by them. He wasn't remotely a good guy then, apart from one brief moment where he and Thor were on the roof and he was telling him to look at all of the destruction there was no indication that he was having second thoughts about any of his acts.
Even at the start of Thor: The Dark World - where he would've ended up naturally - he was unrepentant and single minded.
From the very first episode of the show, where he's sobbing at Odin saying "I love you my sons" - it doesn't really make sense when you think about their interaction at the start of Thor: The Dark World. I get why they did it, it's basically fan service, fans craved to see him show emotion like that, but it doesn't follow any logic - the Loki in the TV show acts essentially like the Loki just before he died, having experienced all of those "bad guy does some good stuff" events.
I would have expected the TV show Loki to have been a lot more challenging to deal with than he has been. He's basically been tamed in no time at all. I guess that is a limitation of the show format and the fact there have been only 6 episodes. But the "God of Mischief" hasn't really displayed much mischief at all, really.
Durzel said:
My biggest issue, I guess, is that the Loki in the show behaves as if he's lived through all of the experiences that the audience has seen... but he hasn't.
The Loki in the TV show was plucked from the first Avengers film, being teleported using the tesseract just after being taken out by them. He wasn't remotely a good guy then, apart from one brief moment where he and Thor were on the roof and he was telling him to look at all of the destruction there was no indication that he was having second thoughts about any of his acts.
Even at the start of Thor: The Dark World - where he would've ended up naturally - he was unrepentant and single minded.
From the very first episode of the show, where he's sobbing at Odin saying "I love you my sons" - it doesn't really make sense when you think about their interaction at the start of Thor: The Dark World. I get why they did it, it's basically fan service, fans craved to see him show emotion like that, but it doesn't follow any logic - the Loki in the TV show acts essentially like the Loki just before he died, having experienced all of those "bad guy does some good stuff" events.
I would have expected the TV show Loki to have been a lot more challenging to deal with than he has been. He's basically been tamed in no time at all. I guess that is a limitation of the show format and the fact there have been only 6 episodes. But the "God of Mischief" hasn't really displayed much mischief at all, really.
Until the scene where he watched his ‘future’ play out on screen, we have never seen him alone. His actions in Thor and Avengers were his public persona. In Thor he wasn’t really ‘evil’ until he discovered he was an adopted frost giant. it was a scheme to win favour with Odin. The Loki in the TV show was plucked from the first Avengers film, being teleported using the tesseract just after being taken out by them. He wasn't remotely a good guy then, apart from one brief moment where he and Thor were on the roof and he was telling him to look at all of the destruction there was no indication that he was having second thoughts about any of his acts.
Even at the start of Thor: The Dark World - where he would've ended up naturally - he was unrepentant and single minded.
From the very first episode of the show, where he's sobbing at Odin saying "I love you my sons" - it doesn't really make sense when you think about their interaction at the start of Thor: The Dark World. I get why they did it, it's basically fan service, fans craved to see him show emotion like that, but it doesn't follow any logic - the Loki in the TV show acts essentially like the Loki just before he died, having experienced all of those "bad guy does some good stuff" events.
I would have expected the TV show Loki to have been a lot more challenging to deal with than he has been. He's basically been tamed in no time at all. I guess that is a limitation of the show format and the fact there have been only 6 episodes. But the "God of Mischief" hasn't really displayed much mischief at all, really.
In the TVA we see him when he isn’t putting on a ‘front’. If Thor has been in the room, I’m pretty he would have behaved differently. Then he realised that he’s on a path that only leads to defeat and death. That’s a lesson he originally had to learn the hard way.
I don't really follow the whole Marvel thing that much, like a lot of people I suspect I see them as entertaining action movies with a bit of comedy thrown in. But, with (lots) of time on my hands I have watched Loki this week and really enjoyed it without needing to know infinite detail about each character. The cinematography(?? if thats what it was) was great and love the whole retro vibe of the TVA sets.
Durzel said:
My biggest issue, I guess, is that the Loki in the show behaves as if he's lived through all of the experiences that the audience has seen... but he hasn't.
The Loki in the TV show was plucked from the first Avengers film, being teleported using the tesseract just after being taken out by them. He wasn't remotely a good guy then, apart from one brief moment where he and Thor were on the roof and he was telling him to look at all of the destruction there was no indication that he was having second thoughts about any of his acts.
Even at the start of Thor: The Dark World - where he would've ended up naturally - he was unrepentant and single minded.
From the very first episode of the show, where he's sobbing at Odin saying "I love you my sons" - it doesn't really make sense when you think about their interaction at the start of Thor: The Dark World. I get why they did it, it's basically fan service, fans craved to see him show emotion like that, but it doesn't follow any logic - the Loki in the TV show acts essentially like the Loki just before he died, having experienced all of those "bad guy does some good stuff" events.
I would have expected the TV show Loki to have been a lot more challenging to deal with than he has been. He's basically been tamed in no time at all. I guess that is a limitation of the show format and the fact there have been only 6 episodes. But the "God of Mischief" hasn't really displayed much mischief at all, really.
My take on it is he might not have lived those experiences but he did view them.The Loki in the TV show was plucked from the first Avengers film, being teleported using the tesseract just after being taken out by them. He wasn't remotely a good guy then, apart from one brief moment where he and Thor were on the roof and he was telling him to look at all of the destruction there was no indication that he was having second thoughts about any of his acts.
Even at the start of Thor: The Dark World - where he would've ended up naturally - he was unrepentant and single minded.
From the very first episode of the show, where he's sobbing at Odin saying "I love you my sons" - it doesn't really make sense when you think about their interaction at the start of Thor: The Dark World. I get why they did it, it's basically fan service, fans craved to see him show emotion like that, but it doesn't follow any logic - the Loki in the TV show acts essentially like the Loki just before he died, having experienced all of those "bad guy does some good stuff" events.
I would have expected the TV show Loki to have been a lot more challenging to deal with than he has been. He's basically been tamed in no time at all. I guess that is a limitation of the show format and the fact there have been only 6 episodes. But the "God of Mischief" hasn't really displayed much mischief at all, really.
First off whatever tricks he tried to pull, Mobius called BS on them and got him to finally break through and open up about what makes him tick.
Although originally what he thought wanted was a throne and power, in the end all he really wanted was to feel loved and part of a family which even though he got it wasn't enough hence all the selfish attention seeking. A typical black sheep of the family.
He always had good in him and his normal journey would see him become a goodie, but then seeing the results of his actions and then the death of his mother who he truly loved more than anyone, kind of fast forwarded his mindset to become good.
I think he must have read and watched his whole file off screen as well, we were just shown the vital turn points.
I thought the whole series was pretty good as a bridge to open up the next phase of films and introduce the Kang the Conqueror variant.
It was never going to be IW/End Game type scripts/writing and productions but for backstory filler to the main MCU it works for me.
I'm not sure when season 2 will be out, if it's before Ant Man 3 where Kang is the main baddie or after but interesting to see where they take the story and what becomes of Sylvie and Loki in the new timeline.
SpudLink said:
Until the scene where he watched his ‘future’ play out on screen, we have never seen him alone. His actions in Thor and Avengers were his public persona. In Thor he wasn’t really ‘evil’ until he discovered he was an adopted frost giant. it was a scheme to win favour with Odin.
In the TVA we see him when he isn’t putting on a ‘front’. If Thor has been in the room, I’m pretty he would have behaved differently. Then he realised that he’s on a path that only leads to defeat and death. That’s a lesson he originally had to learn the hard way.
In the TVA we see him when he isn’t putting on a ‘front’. If Thor has been in the room, I’m pretty he would have behaved differently. Then he realised that he’s on a path that only leads to defeat and death. That’s a lesson he originally had to learn the hard way.
For myself Mrs Deej, we felt that the chemistry between Mobius and Loki worked really well. Two good actors with some comic ability who could play off each other. Loki and Sylvia though just had no chemistry at all, it felt flat between them, so became a bit boring. If Loki is to work as a standalone, it needs Owen and Tom to be a more Hobbes and Shaw act.
Neither of us are comic book geeks so we don’t really give a f
k about Kang or multiverse st.
Neither of us are comic book geeks so we don’t really give a f
k about Kang or multiverse st.Lucas Ayde said:
Never mind the quality of the writing or how unengaging the story was - just look at how much money was spent on it!
Whilst I appreciate fantastic production values, they are pointless if the rest of the package isn't up to snuff.
My view of the overall series:
This.Whilst I appreciate fantastic production values, they are pointless if the rest of the package isn't up to snuff.
My view of the overall series:
- Good basic premise (TVA holding back the 'creation' of the multiverse)
- High production values (Ep 5 was a highpoint, also loved the aesthetics of the TVA)
- Some great acting, some so-so acting.
- Poor-to-awful writing .. The 'Lamentis' episode was a low point, just awful dialogue and plotting.
- Wasted the great premise and the Loki character (Ep, 5 was such a missed opportunity, goes back to the writing)
- Unengaging story - told in a downright boring way (again, writing)
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