Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 5)

[AJB1971]

There was an interesting discussion about YouTube and other platforms between Hoovie and Doug in the video below. It’s a sprawling conversation, but the part most relevant to this discussion starts just after the 35-minute mark.

Hoovie made a good point about Tavarish and how his sporadic release schedule, where he can go months without publishing any new videos, means his content is now viewed as an event.

The part about competition was also interesting. I think the move to long-form content over the last few years-presumably driven by the algorithm-has also played a part in that. People only have so much time.

Edited by AJB1971 on Friday 29th March 22:21

[Downward]

No Air up product placement on the Autoalex V2 channel this week !

The Mira looks lovely though hopefully they make it mint and don’t be dheads with it.

They could raffle it.

Edited by Downward on Saturday 30th March 10:21

[skwdenyer]

614-HSO said:

Dracoro said:

I think the problem with subscribing is the term itself, for many people (prob moreso middle aged to old) “subscription” means paying regularly (e.g. like magazine subscriptions) for something. So prob don’t subscribe as they think they have to pay for it.

“Subscribing” in YT world is obv free but I think many YouTubers miss that chance to tell those watching that subscribing doesn’t cost anything and that it’s simply a way to effectively bookmark/notify them of new content.

Who is not going to click the subscribe button because they think it will cost them money?

Plenty of people. Not helped by YouTube introducing YouTube Memberships, which do cost money. For a lot of people, the terms should be reversed!

Thread drift alert

The problem with the word "subscribe" in a computing context is that it was used by people a long time ago, who had a better grasp of the English language, and was used in its correct sense. Since then, the word has become synonymous with regular payments for a service.

The word subscribe comes from Latin - "scribe" (write/sign) and "sub" (under). Literally, under-write, as in signing at the bottom of something to indicate assent. If you subscribe for shares, you're agreeing to pay for them when they're issued. If you subscribe to a theory, you're indicating your agreement with it. It was't until the 17th century that it was first used to indicate a promise to contribute money to something (coinciding with the sharp rise of joint stock companies); it wasn't until the 18th century that it first become associated with the idea of becoming a regular buyer of a publication - but it didn't lose its other meanings.

In the early days of the internet (as opposed to the web), bandwidth and processing power were precious. A process - or a person - that might have need to do something with a larger piece of information only periodically (for instance, when certain criteria were met, or the subject interested them) wouldn't want to receive everything - just (potentially) a list of everything from which to choose. So the idea of subscription to what we'd now call a "feed" was born. It wasn't about money; it was about giving assent to the downloading of a subset of what was available.

To give the example of RSS feeds, you can browse a long list of available feeds. By subscribing, you give your assent (to your computer, in effect) to download some items (or summaries thereof), from which you can then choose to download a full version of an article (say).

Whether there is money involved or not is immaterial - if there is, that would be a paid subscription, as opposed to a free subscription.

Because the term is used so commonly in computing circles, and had been used in human-facing contexts such as usenet and RSS, it was logical it would be applied to the newer services like YouTube. But, as so often happens, the English language keeps evolving. For a significant section of society (now mostly older), the word "subscription" had become synonymous with "paid subscription" for something like a magazine or periodical, or a membership.

So we're in the interesting place where younger people are now using the term in a sense closer to historical usage, whilst boomers and older are more likely to associate subscribing primarily with the regular payment of money - a meaning largely divorced from the actual meaning of the word.

[Voldemort]

[skwdenyer]

Voldemort said:

Err, yes, but not sure which point you're making by posting it

[Voldemort]

skwdenyer said:

Err, yes, but not sure which point you're making by posting it

That the first definition given is to pay regularly for something. This has been the primary definition of 'subscribe' for longer than I have been alive.

[ThomasBMW87]

Is anyone else here just so bored of Joe Achilles channel?

It just seems the same st over and over again. Even as a BMW fan myself, I just feel that it's so dull.

He should consider branching out to other brands but then he will look desperate for views and attention and basically admitting that being an unpaid (by BMW) BMW advert channel was a bad move.

[614-HSO]

ThomasBMW87 said:

Is anyone else here just so bored of Joe Achilles channel?

It just seems the same st over and over again. Even as a BMW fan myself, I just feel that it's so dull.

He should consider branching out to other brands but then he will look desperate for views and attention and basically admitting that being an unpaid (by BMW) BMW advert channel was a bad move.

I wonder if BWM still do that deal where youtubers get a car for next to nothing for six months or so, maybe that is the reason?

[jasonrobertson86]

ThomasBMW87 said:

Is anyone else here just so bored of Joe Achilles channel?

It just seems the same st over and over again. Even as a BMW fan myself, I just feel that it's so dull.

He should consider branching out to other brands but then he will look desperate for views and attention and basically admitting that being an unpaid (by BMW) BMW advert channel was a bad move.

Unsub'd a while ago. Glad I did.

[ThomW]

ThomasBMW87 said:

Is anyone else here just so bored of Joe Achilles channel?

It just seems the same st over and over again. Even as a BMW fan myself, I just feel that it's so dull.

He should consider branching out to other brands

Especially as his fiancée is a PR/media person for Audi

[Munka01]

Dave200 said:

KillerHERTZ said:

acer12 said:

Wind your neck in like a good lad.

As poster above said, just an observation, a curious one (similar to my curious question earlier), is that not what a forum is about?

This thread is just a sespit of negativity towards people who have actually bothered to pursue their hobby/dream etc.

I guess it's just the usual British mentality.

Isn't it just a thread where people discuss youtube channels and content? If these people are making money from their content then they shouldn't need to worry about the opinions of a few people on forums. It's also got nothing to do with being British.

As someone that has moved away from the UK (for 13 years), it really is (to do with being British).

[Dave200]

Munka01 said:

Dave200 said:

KillerHERTZ said:

acer12 said:

Wind your neck in like a good lad.

As poster above said, just an observation, a curious one (similar to my curious question earlier), is that not what a forum is about?

This thread is just a sespit of negativity towards people who have actually bothered to pursue their hobby/dream etc.

I guess it's just the usual British mentality.

Isn't it just a thread where people discuss youtube channels and content? If these people are making money from their content then they shouldn't need to worry about the opinions of a few people on forums. It's also got nothing to do with being British.

As someone that has moved away from the UK (for 13 years), it really is (to do with being British).

Presumably you're speaking from the position of it being Brits or Aussies? So if it isn't Aussies and we know the Yanks are positive about everything, it must be "a British thing". I'd recommended travelling a bit more.

[Munka01]

Dave200 said:

Munka01 said:

Dave200 said:

KillerHERTZ said:

acer12 said:

Wind your neck in like a good lad.

As poster above said, just an observation, a curious one (similar to my curious question earlier), is that not what a forum is about?

This thread is just a sespit of negativity towards people who have actually bothered to pursue their hobby/dream etc.

I guess it's just the usual British mentality.

Isn't it just a thread where people discuss youtube channels and content? If these people are making money from their content then they shouldn't need to worry about the opinions of a few people on forums. It's also got nothing to do with being British.

As someone that has moved away from the UK (for 13 years), it really is (to do with being British).

Presumably you're speaking from the position of it being Brits or Aussies? So if it isn't Aussies and we know the Yanks are positive about everything, it must be "a British thing". I'd recommended travelling a bit more.

I am not sure your comment even makes sense, however I have lived in 4 different continents and have worked in a global role dealing with colleagues in 36 different countries for the last 20 years, and In my opinion no one questions and downplays other success quite like the British, What's your experience that makes you feel I am wrong?

[SteBrown91]

ThomasBMW87 said:

Is anyone else here just so bored of Joe Achilles channel?

It just seems the same st over and over again. Even as a BMW fan myself, I just feel that it's so dull.

He should consider branching out to other brands but then he will look desperate for views and attention and basically admitting that being an unpaid (by BMW) BMW advert channel was a bad move.

His channel has lost its way, but I don’t know where everyone gets that he is an unofficial BMW salesman?

He is a a BMW fan admittedly but saying he should branch out is a bit silly really - his recent videos not of his own cars contains cupras, Audis, Porsches and even a Ford ranger.

I’ve said it before but his channel has lots it’s way as there is only so may times you can do a 25-30min review of a variant of a car you have already reviewed, or a 35 min collection video of a car you have already owned 3 times previously, so only hardcore fans are going to tune in. Some of his views are pretty poor considering the size of his channel.

I don’t think it helped that he blew up his M2 as any track day/upgrade content for it was basically lost for a year which probably dented his content plans for the year quite significantly.

[egor110]

Danny dc2 and team prawn are still putting out really good race videos.

Going to be interesting what dan races this season , will he get something in a ginetta , will his integra return , will something entirety different end up in thunder saloons ?

[Dave200]

Munka01 said:

Dave200 said:

Munka01 said:

Dave200 said:

KillerHERTZ said:

acer12 said:

Wind your neck in like a good lad.

As poster above said, just an observation, a curious one (similar to my curious question earlier), is that not what a forum is about?

This thread is just a sespit of negativity towards people who have actually bothered to pursue their hobby/dream etc.

I guess it's just the usual British mentality.

Isn't it just a thread where people discuss youtube channels and content? If these people are making money from their content then they shouldn't need to worry about the opinions of a few people on forums. It's also got nothing to do with being British.

As someone that has moved away from the UK (for 13 years), it really is (to do with being British).

Presumably you're speaking from the position of it being Brits or Aussies? So if it isn't Aussies and we know the Yanks are positive about everything, it must be "a British thing". I'd recommended travelling a bit more.

I am not sure your comment even makes sense, however I have lived in 4 different continents and have worked in a global role dealing with colleagues in 36 different countries for the last 20 years, and In my opinion no one questions and downplays other success quite like the British, What's your experience that makes you feel I am wrong?

Quite the contrary experience. I too have lived abroad and worked in global companies with lots of foreign people. I could easily name 10 countries who are less likely to celebrate success than the Brits. I also noted that British expats have a unique way of looking down on the country they left as if it's some kind of confirmation bias.

[Munka01]

Dave200 said:

Munka01 said:

Dave200 said:

Munka01 said:

Dave200 said:

KillerHERTZ said:

acer12 said:

Wind your neck in like a good lad.

As poster above said, just an observation, a curious one (similar to my curious question earlier), is that not what a forum is about?

This thread is just a sespit of negativity towards people who have actually bothered to pursue their hobby/dream etc.

I guess it's just the usual British mentality.

Isn't it just a thread where people discuss youtube channels and content? If these people are making money from their content then they shouldn't need to worry about the opinions of a few people on forums. It's also got nothing to do with being British.

As someone that has moved away from the UK (for 13 years), it really is (to do with being British).

Presumably you're speaking from the position of it being Brits or Aussies? So if it isn't Aussies and we know the Yanks are positive about everything, it must be "a British thing". I'd recommended travelling a bit more.

I am not sure your comment even makes sense, however I have lived in 4 different continents and have worked in a global role dealing with colleagues in 36 different countries for the last 20 years, and In my opinion no one questions and downplays other success quite like the British, What's your experience that makes you feel I am wrong?

Quite the contrary experience. I too have lived abroad and worked in global companies with lots of foreign people. I could easily name 10 countries who are less likely to celebrate success than the Brits. I also noted that British expats have a unique way of looking down on the country they left as if it's some kind of confirmation bias.

Well name then then? Despite being an expat there are plenty of things I think the British are great at, celebrating each other success is not one of them, not sure how that is wrong? You only have to look through this thread, 90% of of discussion is criticism and negativity with very little praise.

[bristolbaron]

Bloody hell guys, it’s bad enough people moaning about watching things they don’t enjoy. Arguing with each other about who’s righterer isn’t helping the thread…

[skylarking808]

egor110 said:

Danny dc2 and team prawn are still putting out really good race videos.

Going to be interesting what dan races this season , will he get something in a ginetta , will his integra return , will something entirety different end up in thunder saloons ?

Yes, Dan the "triple champion" is still entertaining whatever he races - I think the focus maybe on rally cars also, as he did pretty good in that arena too.

(I loved the video recently of him collecting the tropheys and managing to drop one as he had so many!)

[snoopy25]

That Theon Porsche that Harry reviewed looks absolutely amazing!