Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 5)
Discussion
Elroy Blue said:
Disappointing that in 2023 we're still seeing dealers come out with this "Due to its age it cannot be covered under any sort of warranty so will be sold ‘as is’"
You can't absolve yourself of all responsibility just by writing that in the add.
Can't stand the bloke, the Volvo he got for cheap, didn't even repair it properly and made a healthy profit.You can't absolve yourself of all responsibility just by writing that in the add.
What he says is not legal and not binding under consumer law.
Raccaccoonie said:
Elroy Blue said:
Disappointing that in 2023 we're still seeing dealers come out with this "Due to its age it cannot be covered under any sort of warranty so will be sold ‘as is’"
You can't absolve yourself of all responsibility just by writing that in the add.
Can't stand the bloke, the Volvo he got for cheap, didn't even repair it properly and made a healthy profit.You can't absolve yourself of all responsibility just by writing that in the add.
What he says is not legal and not binding under consumer law.
He's saying he can't offer a warranty, which is likely a stipulation of the warranty company he uses. Or he's simply decided it's not economical to offer a warranty.
He cannot avoid his obligations under consumer law, no matter what he says, provided the vehicle is sold by his business.
We have been name checked.
Apparently as car lovers we should be protesting about clean air zones and let folks be driving their battered old diesels around congested towns.
And the one man war against EV’s is a bit embarrassing too.
As someone who worked in Birmingham and commuted for 3 years through town by bike it’s a horrible dirty polluted area
https://youtu.be/uLCRnbP_7T0
https://youtu.be/7-imT5hxXd4
Apparently as car lovers we should be protesting about clean air zones and let folks be driving their battered old diesels around congested towns.
And the one man war against EV’s is a bit embarrassing too.
As someone who worked in Birmingham and commuted for 3 years through town by bike it’s a horrible dirty polluted area
https://youtu.be/uLCRnbP_7T0
https://youtu.be/7-imT5hxXd4
C70R said:
That's incorrect.
He's saying he can't offer a warranty, which is likely a stipulation of the warranty company he uses. Or he's simply decided it's not economical to offer a warranty.
He cannot avoid his obligations under consumer law, no matter what he says, provided the vehicle is sold by his business.
''so will be sold ‘as is’"' is a specific phrase that is not legally binding term even when included on a sales invoice. He's saying he can't offer a warranty, which is likely a stipulation of the warranty company he uses. Or he's simply decided it's not economical to offer a warranty.
He cannot avoid his obligations under consumer law, no matter what he says, provided the vehicle is sold by his business.
Specifically the Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPRs), under misleading actions, states this as well. This law is both a criminal and civil offence.
You also have unfair contract terms, which this is an example of, would always benefit the unfair party in automatic breaches like this, again this phrase is a prime example of this.
Maybe better to educate yourself in these matters...
Edited by Raccaccoonie on Tuesday 28th March 22:09
I just don't like the way the High Peak Autos guy always gives his profit figures and says "Oh I have to pay VAT" That's like when someone asks your salary and you tell them what it is after tax. Nobody does that.
Also he gets annoyed when people inspect the car, want to test drive it or want another person to check the car over. I'm sorry but it's the 2nd biggest purchase I'm probably going to make maybe even the biggest. I want to check everything is in order before I part with my hard earned cash.
Also he gets annoyed when people inspect the car, want to test drive it or want another person to check the car over. I'm sorry but it's the 2nd biggest purchase I'm probably going to make maybe even the biggest. I want to check everything is in order before I part with my hard earned cash.
Downward said:
We have been name checked.
Apparently as car lovers we should be protesting about clean air zones and let folks be driving their battered old diesels around congested towns.
And the one man war against EV’s is a bit embarrassing too.
As someone who worked in Birmingham and commuted for 3 years through town by bike it’s a horrible dirty polluted area
https://youtu.be/uLCRnbP_7T0
https://youtu.be/7-imT5hxXd4
I have mixed feelings about Geoff. On the one hand, he has the distinction of being one of the few people polite enough to ask me before using some of my content/ideas in his video.Apparently as car lovers we should be protesting about clean air zones and let folks be driving their battered old diesels around congested towns.
And the one man war against EV’s is a bit embarrassing too.
As someone who worked in Birmingham and commuted for 3 years through town by bike it’s a horrible dirty polluted area
https://youtu.be/uLCRnbP_7T0
https://youtu.be/7-imT5hxXd4
On the other hand, for someone who talks a lot about a "slippery slope" he doesn't seem to realise he is on one himself. I have seen it before - and it begins with rational, reasonable concerns but quickly descends into a constant stream of negativity, conspiracy theories and troubling rhetoric that should not (in my opinion) be on a channel that purports to be a light hearted caper about buying crap cars. I'm prone to the odd rant about the state of things, but it needs to be balanced out.
thegreenhell said:
Reading in the shop without buying! That's just stealing by another name! 
As a teenager I used to go to the public library every week to read Motor and Autocar. I have only just cancelled my sub to Autocar although I have rarely read it in recent years since starting to get my car fix online - and to some extent to lose interest.waremark said:
thegreenhell said:
Reading in the shop without buying! That's just stealing by another name!
As a teenager I used to go to the public library every week to read Motor and Autocar. I have only just cancelled my sub to Autocar although I have rarely read it in recent years since starting to get my car fix online - and to some extent to lose interest.MrManual said:
I just don't like the way the High Peak Autos guy always gives his profit figures and says "Oh I have to pay VAT" That's like when someone asks your salary and you tell them what it is after tax. Nobody does that.
Also he gets annoyed when people inspect the car, want to test drive it or want another person to check the car over. I'm sorry but it's the 2nd biggest purchase I'm probably going to make maybe even the biggest. I want to check everything is in order before I part with my hard earned cash.
The guy is a poundland Tory. Like a vulture he preys on the underprivileged and working class both with the way he buys and sells his cars and he then has the cheek to talk sAlso he gets annoyed when people inspect the car, want to test drive it or want another person to check the car over. I'm sorry but it's the 2nd biggest purchase I'm probably going to make maybe even the biggest. I want to check everything is in order before I part with my hard earned cash.
t about them. Raccaccoonie said:
C70R said:
That's incorrect.
He's saying he can't offer a warranty, which is likely a stipulation of the warranty company he uses. Or he's simply decided it's not economical to offer a warranty.
He cannot avoid his obligations under consumer law, no matter what he says, provided the vehicle is sold by his business.
''so will be sold ‘as is’"' is a specific phrase that is not legally binding term even when included on a sales invoice. He's saying he can't offer a warranty, which is likely a stipulation of the warranty company he uses. Or he's simply decided it's not economical to offer a warranty.
He cannot avoid his obligations under consumer law, no matter what he says, provided the vehicle is sold by his business.
Specifically the Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPRs), under misleading actions, states this as well. This law is both a criminal and civil offence.
You also have unfair contract terms, which this is an example of, would always benefit the unfair party in automatic breaches like this, again this phrase is a prime example of this.
Maybe better to educate yourself in these matters...
Edited by Raccaccoonie on Tuesday 28th March 22:09
If his business sells a roadworthy, working car, he's bound by the CRA 2015 no matter what he writes on an invoice.
MrManual said:
I.... "Oh I have to pay VAT" ....
It is somewhat relevant as a fixed cost as you can't offset the cost of repairs and improvements, so could easily wipe out most of your 'profit'.(I did recently learn from one of his videos that you don't pay the VAT on the margin, but the VAT component of the margin.)
He might be a dreadful Tory, that is between him and the polling booth, but I don't think it you become a Class Warrior for pointing out that some people don't clean their cars before trading them in, or have unrealistic expectations when buying cheap cars.
The weasel words on the ML warranty seem bad form, especially as it appears to be priced at a premium (nothing wrong with that, it appears in better condition than most similar ones).
C70R said:
I think you've just angrily agreed with me...
If his business sells a roadworthy, working car, he's bound by the CRA 2015 no matter what he writes on an invoice.
What did I wrote that was incorrect. No anger at you,just anger at people like him.If his business sells a roadworthy, working car, he's bound by the CRA 2015 no matter what he writes on an invoice.
He knows exactly what he is doing, and because trading standards is so underfunded will get away with it.
Edited by Raccaccoonie on Wednesday 29th March 10:27
I quite like the High Peak guy. Isnt his name Matt ? He's built up a business, so fair play to him.
Ive sold a few cars in my time and the public are horrible. People are nice, public are horrible. They all expect a new car for second hand money. Old cars come with faults, dents, scratches that are priced accordingly. The puiblic are also good are breaking cars, swapping parts and they crying foul play 3 weeks later. The internet has made everyone of them a clever version of Ally Mcbeal regarding ambigious rules / laws. Its painful. I can understand why many now sell via we buy any cars.
He's also right, people that pop along to trade a car in where the interior is filthy, ashtray full of fags, and wrappers on the floor are usually the ones that complain the most. They slag off your car when turning up in a death trap, pig hole.
Selling cars isnt fun.
Ive sold a few cars in my time and the public are horrible. People are nice, public are horrible. They all expect a new car for second hand money. Old cars come with faults, dents, scratches that are priced accordingly. The puiblic are also good are breaking cars, swapping parts and they crying foul play 3 weeks later. The internet has made everyone of them a clever version of Ally Mcbeal regarding ambigious rules / laws. Its painful. I can understand why many now sell via we buy any cars.
He's also right, people that pop along to trade a car in where the interior is filthy, ashtray full of fags, and wrappers on the floor are usually the ones that complain the most. They slag off your car when turning up in a death trap, pig hole.
Selling cars isnt fun.
sbk1972 said:
I quite like the High Peak guy. Isnt his name Matt ? He's built up a business, so fair play to him.
Ive sold a few cars in my time and the public are horrible. People are nice, public are horrible. They all expect a new car for second hand money. Old cars come with faults, dents, scratches that are priced accordingly. The puiblic are also good are breaking cars, swapping parts and they crying foul play 3 weeks later. The internet has made everyone of them a clever version of Ally Mcbeal regarding ambigious rules / laws. Its painful. I can understand why many now sell via we buy any cars.
He's also right, people that pop along to trade a car in where the interior is filthy, ashtray full of fags, and wrappers on the floor are usually the ones that complain the most. They slag off your car when turning up in a death trap, pig hole.
Selling cars isnt fun.
So committing criminal acts is ok because he's a good guy and built his business up. Give your head a wobble. Ive sold a few cars in my time and the public are horrible. People are nice, public are horrible. They all expect a new car for second hand money. Old cars come with faults, dents, scratches that are priced accordingly. The puiblic are also good are breaking cars, swapping parts and they crying foul play 3 weeks later. The internet has made everyone of them a clever version of Ally Mcbeal regarding ambigious rules / laws. Its painful. I can understand why many now sell via we buy any cars.
He's also right, people that pop along to trade a car in where the interior is filthy, ashtray full of fags, and wrappers on the floor are usually the ones that complain the most. They slag off your car when turning up in a death trap, pig hole.
Selling cars isnt fun.
The reason he gets away so blatantly is because people are so gullible nowadays and don't actually think about things they watch.
Raccaccoonie said:
C70R said:
I think you've just angrily agreed with me...
If his business sells a roadworthy, working car, he's bound by the CRA 2015 no matter what he writes on an invoice.
What did I wrote that was incorrect. No anger at you,just anger at people like him.If his business sells a roadworthy, working car, he's bound by the CRA 2015 no matter what he writes on an invoice.
He knows exactly what he is doing, and because trading standards is so underfunded will get away with it.
Edited by Raccaccoonie on Wednesday 29th March 10:27
I think that, and the associated anger, is an incorrect leap of logic based on assumption. Nowhere has he said it's a "trade sale", "spares or repairs" or similar, which is a commonly-used method for dealers to dodge CRA responsibilities.
It just says that he isn't offering a warranty on it...
'give your head a wobble' lol. Never been told that before.
Im not aruging about laws and whether he is right or wrong, just giving my thoughts on the process of selling cars to the general public.
Matt also has a High Peaks Property channel too. He brought a number of flats / some community hall. Done in the same style as his car channel.
Im not aruging about laws and whether he is right or wrong, just giving my thoughts on the process of selling cars to the general public.
Matt also has a High Peaks Property channel too. He brought a number of flats / some community hall. Done in the same style as his car channel.
C70R said:
You just seemed very certain that him writing "Due to its age it cannot be covered under any sort of warranty so will be sold ‘as is’" on an ad, he was trying to shirk his legal responsibilities as a trader.
I think that, and the associated anger, is an incorrect leap of logic based on assumption. Nowhere has he said it's a "trade sale", "spares or repairs" or similar, which is a commonly-used method for dealers to dodge CRA responsibilities.
It just says that he isn't offering a warranty on it...
I'm dead certain because I cited the specific law and the sub section of this, misleading phrases under the The Unfair Trading Regulations, 2008, these are specific for the marketing of goods. I think that, and the associated anger, is an incorrect leap of logic based on assumption. Nowhere has he said it's a "trade sale", "spares or repairs" or similar, which is a commonly-used method for dealers to dodge CRA responsibilities.
It just says that he isn't offering a warranty on it...
Using this exact term is illegal as stated in government guidance. Now because people like yourself are ignorant of the law, is no justification. because it is in such wide spread usage doesn't make it right .
Ot you do seem to just go onto threads to specifically argue with points.
Raccaccoonie said:
C70R said:
You just seemed very certain that him writing "Due to its age it cannot be covered under any sort of warranty so will be sold ‘as is’" on an ad, he was trying to shirk his legal responsibilities as a trader.
I think that, and the associated anger, is an incorrect leap of logic based on assumption. Nowhere has he said it's a "trade sale", "spares or repairs" or similar, which is a commonly-used method for dealers to dodge CRA responsibilities.
It just says that he isn't offering a warranty on it...
I'm dead certain because I cited the specific law and the sub section of this, misleading phrases under the The Unfair Trading Regulations, 2008, these are specific for the marketing of goods. I think that, and the associated anger, is an incorrect leap of logic based on assumption. Nowhere has he said it's a "trade sale", "spares or repairs" or similar, which is a commonly-used method for dealers to dodge CRA responsibilities.
It just says that he isn't offering a warranty on it...
Using this exact term is illegal as stated in government guidance. Now because people like yourself are ignorant of the law, is no justification. because it is in such wide spread usage doesn't make it right .
Ot you do seem to just go onto threads to specifically argue with points.
I'll leave you to it.
sbk1972 said:
'give your head a wobble' lol. Never been told that before.
Im not aruging about laws and whether he is right or wrong, just giving my thoughts on the process of selling cars to the general public.
Matt also has a High Peaks Property channel too. He brought a number of flats / some community hall. Done in the same style as his car channel.
My point being, those smiley, overt salesman are usually the worst type for breaking laws. Remember that blue lambo owning car dealership in Wales, he was very personable. These people are classic narcissistic types, as are many other YouTubers TBH. They feed off attention. Anyway enough I won't post more on this unfair to Im not aruging about laws and whether he is right or wrong, just giving my thoughts on the process of selling cars to the general public.
Matt also has a High Peaks Property channel too. He brought a number of flats / some community hall. Done in the same style as his car channel.
Edited by Raccaccoonie on Wednesday 29th March 11:54
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