Obi Wan Kenobi Disney+

[Flip Martian]

DeejRC said:

We enjoyed it for what it was, whilst recognising there were a few silly plot holes.
Now, a few ppl have whinged on about The Volume or whatever but never bothered to tell anyone wtf they are talking about.
Does one of you fancy trying to tell the rest of us without posting a link to some random page that only weirdos read?

Not an expert but from what I understand it's a studio space surrounded by giant screens they can generate the CGI to in real time - the big landscapes/cityscapes etc. And the actors are basically seeing what we would see, while they act - rather than being in front of a green screen trying to imagine they're in a desert/city/whatever.

[DanL]

[MBBlat]

wong said:

markiii said:

wong said:

The plot loopholes make George Lucas look like an amazing story writer.

Sad but true

Come back George, we need you.
(But can't afford you)

This is the George who was setting up a love triangle between Luke, Han and Leia in the first two films only to decide that the other Jedi mentioned in ESB was Leia, who suddenly became Luke’s sister?

[Sheets Tabuer]

Also the George who created the I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like you Padme, I want to rub against your soft body, like a babies bum. or something like that.

[carl_w]

Flip Martian said:

I did notice the SFX budget seemed to run down more - the back projections were often painfully obvious halo'ed around the characters like it was the 1970s especially the last 20 minutes or so.

Yes particularly the Alderaan scenes. I wonder if The Volume works better with a different type of lighting? Didn't seem to have these problems on The Mandalorian.

[tangerine_sedge]

I've just finished watching this and enjoyed it. It had loads of plot holes, inconsistencies and trampled all over the existing canon. All the things that every(*1) other Star Wars product has done since ESB.

(*1) not including R1 - which wasn't really a Star Wars product as it was well written and well made - or Splinter of the Minds Eye.

[Pflanzgarten]

Just finished it...







W O W !

That last episode totally blew me away, stunning final meeting with Vader, really emotional for a bloke in his forties who's a soft sod.

Not going to lie, I guessed what would happen but seeing it on the big screen was just epic. That final was up there with Rogue One for me.

[lambosagogo]

I thought it was a massive missed opportunity. It had great potential but was let down by immersion-breaking inconsistencies and strange decisions. There was no sense of peril as it was obvious that the Empire were just so inept - I have no idea how they came to power given the stormtroopers had their butts kicked by civilians, Star Destroyers can be outpaced by decrepit transports and TIE fighter pilots were apparently on strike throughout the series.

[Evercross]

Pflanzgarten said:

That final was up there with Rogue One for me.

It was dreck, and despite creating an infinite number of continuity problems and plot-holes for the canon why did they go out of their way to shoe-horn in a couple of fixes for the retrospective issues with ANH (including creating a reason for Vader's facemask being asymmetrical)?

It just seemed a drawn-out exercise in trying to reconcile the notion that "(Vader) betrayed and murdered your father"..."from a certain point of view".

lambosagogo said:

I thought it was a massive missed opportunity. It had great potential but was let down by immersion-breaking inconsistencies and strange decisions. There was no sense of peril as it was obvious that the Empire were just so inept - I have no idea how they came to power given the stormtroopers had their butts kicked by civilians, Star Destroyers can be outpaced by decrepit transports and TIE fighter pilots were apparently on strike throughout the series.

+1

[rider73]

lambosagogo said:

I thought it was a massive missed opportunity. It had great potential but was let down by immersion-breaking inconsistencies and strange decisions. There was no sense of peril as it was obvious that the Empire were just so inept - I have no idea how they came to power given the stormtroopers had their butts kicked by civilians, Star Destroyers can be outpaced by decrepit transports and TIE fighter pilots were apparently on strike throughout the series.

+2 to this

they really over egged the Empire typical "stormtrooper shooting at close range misses every time" angle, and the fact that they had entire fleets of star destroyers, yet they only seem to send down 6 storm troopers and the main character, and of course the farcical "its a fortress containing the deadly Inquisitors, so it has no defences what-so-ever" and the "surprise attacks" to save everyone in the nick of time - does no one even have eyes, let alone technology to detect incoming ships that are not friendly.....

you can do it once, maybe twice - but every episode, every series, every movie (i'm looking at you The Last Jedi "hello , hello , can you hear me" rubbish) .....it wears a bit thin as a plot device for "Hero" escaping....as does the "lets chop everyone up with sabers" one week and hey presto she's alive the next..... i mean makes what Qui Gon Jinn got a frickin flesh wound...........

[Jasandjules]

I guess if you don't think toooo hard about it, then it is perfectly good Star Wars stuff.

The problem comes when you try to think......

At least the 3rd sister had some good acting this time, not the stupid "I am so evil face", just no idea why she "wanted" to kill Luke having earlier tried to kill vader because he killed the younglings??!!? Makee no sense to me...

I assumed that the end was to show Obi will get more training to become more powerful (though he seemed pretty good in that episode) - and then he presumably travels off world to go get a nice Men In Black mind wipe gadget to see Luke and Leia with.........

[Marumi]

I had a great time watching it again, truly astonished at how st it was. I have no idea how some can think it's as good as Rogue One, which is hardly the highest benchmark. Anyway;

- Despite having been impaled by a lightsaber, Reva has managed to get to Tattooine before anyone else has got anywhere.

- The previous episode made a strong point of stating that the refugees couldn't be evacuated from Jabiim because there wasn't a ship available. But there were ships available. Not only were there two that featured in episode 5 (the first one that Vader stops, then the second they escape on), but Reva has apparently managed to find a third to get off the planet. We saw the hangar. It was empty.

- A star destroyer, one of the offensive flagships of the Empire, is negated by a small cargo vessel weaving gently from side to side. Not only do the main laser cannons seem to have no effect whatsoever (for what we learn has been several hours), but the 48 tie-fighters on board are left sitting in the hangar. Star Destroyers also have a tractor beam.

- Uncle Owen gets word of Reva's arrival on Tattooine and tells Aunt Beru that she's coming for Luke. Despite being untrained civilians, they decide that fighting a Jedi Grand Inquisitor is the best option. An inquisitor. Someone exclusively employed to hunt and kill some of the most powerful fighters in the universe. Going camping for a couple of days might have been a good option.

- Aunt Beru states that they should take positions before nightfall. The position turns out to be a main doorway in their home. Owen, shooting a scoped rifle at a stationery target facing the other direction approximately 7 metres away, misses completely.

- Before leaving Leia, Obi Wan tells her to "tell your father I tried." Bail Organa's entire request was for Obi-Wan to return Leia to him on Alderaan. Not only has Obi-Wan arranged for Haja to take Leia to Alderaan (for which he gives his word, in a short but incredible character growth), but if Leia can tell her father than Obi-Wan had tried, by definition she must be back with her father which means that Obi-Wan succeeded.

- A great line from Obi-Wan to Leia - "You're 10 years old, but you won't always be." I am relieved that Obi-Wan has figured out the linear passage of time.

- Obi-Wan gives Leia the holster that Tala was wearing when she literally exploded whilst holding a thermal detonator. After she died, he must have gone back, found the various pieces of her corpse spread around the cave, and perhaps rinsed the blood and guts off the indestructible holster before giving it to Leia.

- We've seen the size of the cargo ship they used to escape Jabiim. Obi-Wan's ship wouldn't fit inside it. The cargo ship has somehow quadrupled in size.

- Vader instructs the Star Destroyer to follow Kenobi, but then takes his own ship anyway. If he can just take his own ship why doesn't the Star Destroyer stick with the cargo ship?

- After chasing the cargo ship, then chasing Obi-Wan down to the planet, Vader's first words are 'have you come to destroy me Obi-Wan?' What do you mean has he come? You chased him?

- Obi-Wan, despite demonstrating his Jedi erectile-disfunction over several episodes, manages to get the best of the most powerful Sith lord in his prime. Despite having watched Vader murder dozens of innocent people and knowing his/the empire's intentions, he thinks it best to leave Vader on his knees as opposed to just killing him?

- Obi-Wan clearly doesn't have any issue leaving the planet in his ship, which is confusing given that the Star Destroyer was exclusively tasked with following that ship. That's another ship added to the 'we don't have any ships' on Jabiim by the way. We're now up to a bare minimum of 4 ships.

- After leaving the planet, Obi-Wan uses hyperdrive to get to Tattooine. Hyperdrive. The whole plot point with the cargo ship was that the hyperdrive was broken. Why not stick a few people in that ship?

- Reva's exclusive motivation to travel to Tattooine is to kill an innocent child. Her entire motivation in the show is to enact revenge against Vader for killing innocent children. She wants to take revenge against someone killing innocent children by killing innocent children.

- After her change of heart, Obi-Wan decrees that she's free and can determine her own fate. We've watched her kill several people, torture children, publicly hang a jedi on tattooine, cut off people's hands, kidnap a princess, and know that for several years she's been participating in a genocide against the jedi. Obi-Wan just walks off. I guess we all make mistakes?

- Vader tells the Emperor that he will stop at nothing to find Obi-Wan. Despite having the Empire looking for him, Obi-Wan then directly visits the two children he is supposed to be protecting. This is the only time in the history of Star Wars that somebody hasn't fitted a tracker to his ship.

- Prior to A New Hope Luke must have a bout of selective amnesia, given that he seems to have completely forgotten what a lightsaber is (having been chased down by someone wielding one), hours before meeting Ben Kenobi.

- Also prior to A New Hope both Vader and Leia have a similiar bout of amnesia. Leia proclaims that she's not part of the rebellion, and neither seems to bump on the fact that she was rescued from Fortress Inquisitorius by Obi-Wan a few years prior.

Perhaps the worst writing in a major series that I've ever seen. It doesn't help that the cameraman appeared to have a bad case of the shakes, and that the set designer in charge of lighting seemed to be the same one who gave us season 8 of Game of Thrones.

Guilty pleasure over, I won't be watching another season!

Edited by Marumi on Monday 27th June 00:35

[Sheets Tabuer]

So you didn't like it then?

[rider73]

perhaps in time we'll get to hear about the re-writes that were happening over covid, and of course there was that rumour that it was cancelled. but ewan got on twitter to say its not...

i suspect there was a 2 hour plot/show in there, and Disney Management stepped in with a bunch of demographics to fulfil and staff writers who had probably seen the latest 3 movies of star wars, and been told about the first three, and pushed in generic rubbish that satisfied the cute/child quote, and of course shoe-horn in cliff hangers and danger ever 12 mins even though if you thought about it for more than 2 seconds was utter nonsense and backtracked in the very next episode.

the potential was there, the hope was there, but again with Disney, the product (and indeed the franchise) just ends up devalued as a whole because of it....

[Flip Martian]

Marumi said:

loooong list of plotholes

Agreed. Quite hysterical really. Good examples of just frankly piss poor writing. How that even gets by quality control, I just don't know. Standards and clearly so low there, they don't care.

[MBBlat]

Flip Martian said:

Marumi said:

loooong list of plotholes

Agreed. Quite hysterical really. Good examples of just frankly piss poor writing. How that even gets by quality control, I just don't know. Standards and clearly so low there, they don't care.

At least half of those aren’t plotholes. I know it’s fashionable to hate on Disney, but this looks like desperation.

For one thing it’s pretty much established in ANH that Vader knew Leia was heavily involved in the rebellion, but Organa had enough power/clout/protection that the empire couldn’t act openly against him or his daughter before ANH. So no amnesia by Vader or Leia required.

Owen knew someone was coming after Luke, just not who or what.

Reva getting to Tattoine is not spelt out, but not necessarily a plot hole. It’s pretty much established that there are regular passenger routes between the planets in Star Wars, maybe she took one of those.

[SlimJim16v]

MBBlat said:

At least half of those aren’t plotholes. I know it’s fashionable to hate on Disney, but this looks like desperation.

Reva getting to Tattoine is not spelt out, but not necessarily a plot hole. It’s pretty much established that there are regular passenger routes between the planets in Star Wars, maybe she took one of those.

With a light sabre sized hole in her torso, on a deserted planet? It's laughable.

[Sheets Tabuer]

That, it's that about star wars you find unbelievable?

[biggbn]

biggbn said:

Gompo said:

biggbn said:

Can you watch these with little Star Wars knowledge? The franchise has intrigued me for many years but some of the films have been awful...

In my experience, yes. I've not watched the most recent film, or any of the animated series,not reward any of the boos and not and watched the originals for ages. I really enjoyed The Mandalorian, I like the SW 'world' in terms of all the different species/creatures/aliens/races, and some of the music is awesome. I don't watch many sci-fi/fantasy series' so it was a nice change and a bit of fun escapism.

thanks, will give these a go then. Not a Sci-fi fan but tried Expanse and thoroughly enjoying it.

Well, after my initial post I started watching the Mandolorian and really enjoyed it in a dime store western novella kinda way, good guy gets in implausible trouble, something implausible happens, good guy implausibly always wins...but like I said, really enjoyed it. Started Boba Fett last night, really liked the Tuscan back story, hopefully I enjoy it as much.

[g3org3y]