Obi Wan Kenobi Disney+

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[lambosagogo]

AlexC1981 said:

I think the series scores well for the first type, particularly the final episode. Looking at the story in its most basic form, we have the most iconic sci-fi bad guy ever, a captured princess, a grizzled old veteran out to redeem himself, and a traumatized child turned evil. Sounds like some good basic ingredients for an entertaining story.

Understood! The basic ingredients were there - all as you say plus the richness of the SW universe. The execution though....

Part of the problem is certainly the constraints around existing characters. We know Obiwan, Luke, Leia, Vader, Owen and Beru would all live so they needed to either introduce some characters we cared about or introduce some drama and tension some other way. I don't think they succeeded.

The basic setup itself was strange. Someone kidnapping a Princess and her "father", the planetary ruler, deciding that rather than using his SW equivalent of the Secret Service to track her down along with all the planetary resources he could deploy, instead feels that the best course of action is to reach out to someone on the other side of the galaxy, who has is own commitments to look after a different kid, and ask him to look into it instead. That's a stretch. If the premise was that someone was threatening the son of a simple farmer though....different story...Luke's uncle would surely ask the very guy who lives around the corner and promised to protect him.

Anyways - hopefully the next SW series is better

[Silver Smudger]

Flip Martian said:

Of course his walking away from Vader and leaving him alive (again) was illogical but what else could they really do, in a prequel where we know neither dies.

This was the main issue I had with this whole series - Why even tell a story pitting characters against each other, who we know will survive? There is absolutely no peril they can face that can actually harm any of these people.

Mandalorian was quite good, Boba Fett was slow and boring but Obiwan was totally pointless.

[SlimJim16v]

Obi really shouldn't have interacted with any of the well known characters.

[tangerine_sedge]

Silver Smudger said:

This was the main issue I had with this whole series - Why even tell a story pitting characters against each other, who we know will survive? There is absolutely no peril they can face that can actually harm any of these people.

Mandalorian was quite good, Boba Fett was slow and boring but Obiwan was totally pointless.

Because it's a redemption story for OWK. At the start he's a broken man, his jedi skills have left him and he's in a dark place, he literally just wants to hide in a cave. His failure of the jedis and more importantly his failure of Anakin is weighing heavily. The final fight with DV/AS is the point at which he realises that AS died years ago, it wasn't his fault and he needs to protect Luke/Leia for the upcoming rebellion.

[Silver Smudger]

tangerine_sedge said:

Silver Smudger said:

This was the main issue I had with this whole series - Why even tell a story pitting characters against each other, who we know will survive? There is absolutely no peril they can face that can actually harm any of these people.

Mandalorian was quite good, Boba Fett was slow and boring but Obiwan was totally pointless.

Because it's a redemption story for OWK. At the start he's a broken man, his jedi skills have left him and he's in a dark place, he literally just wants to hide in a cave. His failure of the jedis and more importantly his failure of Anakin is weighing heavily. The final fight with DV/AS is the point at which he realises that AS died years ago, it wasn't his fault and he needs to protect Luke/Leia for the upcoming rebellion.

That doesn't answer my question -
Why have Kenobi fight Vader? No-one is in any danger or A New Hope won't happen

Where is the tension when Leia gets kidnapped? - We know she will be absolutely fine

If Obi-Wan needs to get his mojo back, then we need a side story where he faces a challenge - Where he is motivated to save someone unknown (but important) from actual risk of harm.

The effects and fighting style were not nearly as flashy when Ben faced down Darth to clear the way to the Falcon in the Death Star hangar, but you had no idea who would make it out alive and it was edge-of-your-seat time!



Or was it because I was only eight years old?

[faa77]

The problem I see is this:

-Mandalorian
-Boba Fett
-Obi Wan
-Han Solo

They keep making tv/film based on one character.

Maybe give us a story from between the existing films (like Rogue One was!!!!)

What about something set just before Revenge of the Sith, set in Kashykk, with Chewbacca?

What about a film before ROTJ, with the Bothan spies getting the second Death Star plans?

What happened immediately after Episode 2 and Episode 4?

[Biggus thingus]

faa77 said:

The problem I see is this:

-Mandalorian
-Boba Fett
-Obi Wan
-Han Solo

They keep making tv/film based on one character.

Maybe give us a story from between the existing films (like Rogue One was!!!!)

What about something set just before Revenge of the Sith, set in Kashykk, with Chewbacca?

What about a film before ROTJ, with the Bothan spies getting the second Death Star plans?

What happened immediately after Episode 2 and Episode 4?

I think you've more or less nailed it, unfortunately it's all about $£$£$£! And they think that big names sell

I thought Rogue 1 was one of the best films since the first 3

This is a big corporation milking as much $ out of the franchise as they can, creativity, originality and quality writing are lower down the pecking order than getting the correct aspirational/right on mix of the actors

Shame

[faa77]

Biggus thingus said:

faa77 said:

The problem I see is this:

-Mandalorian
-Boba Fett
-Obi Wan
-Han Solo

They keep making tv/film based on one character.

Maybe give us a story from between the existing films (like Rogue One was!!!!)

What about something set just before Revenge of the Sith, set in Kashykk, with Chewbacca?

What about a film before ROTJ, with the Bothan spies getting the second Death Star plans?

What happened immediately after Episode 2 and Episode 4?

I think you've more or less nailed it, unfortunately it's all about $£$£$£! And they think that big names sell

I thought Rogue 1 was one of the best films since the first 3

This is a big corporation milking as much $ out of the franchise as they can, creativity, originality and quality writing are lower down the pecking order than getting the correct aspirational/right on mix of the actors

Shame

Don't get me started on episodes 7 to 9

I was embarrassed how episode 7 was a remake of episode 4!

They even have like 100+ books to choose from!

Edited by faa77 on Monday 4th July 04:51

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faa77 said:

Don't get me started on episodes 7 to 9

I was embarrassed how episode 7 was a remake of episode 4!

They even have like 100+ books to choose from!

Edited by faa77 on Monday 4th July 04:51

All of Star Wars is incredibly derivative, even the original trilogy is basically Flash Gordon/Japanese folktales.

Geeks have this misconception that it is somehow great original storytelling whereas even a cursory glance at the original script and plot will show that it was all quite hackneyed and subservient to Lucas vision.

The old Star Wars books were generally (with the odd exception) awful, although I did enjoy the comics, especially the Marvel ones in the 80s that were simple escapist fun and predated this autistic obsession with hating everything based on plot holes or flaws, or logical insistence that not even the original films followed.

I’m rather enjoying Kenobi, it’s very dark in places, Vader is more menacing than ever, more like the Mountain in Game of Thrones. Ewan McGregor is superb and the little girl who plays Leia is good too. It is very modern GoT style television, whereas The Mandalorian is more like 80s Saturday afternoon tv.

[MBBlat]

This may answer some of the questions about plot holes
https://youtu.be/UDS1QelBiLM

[Flip Martian]

MBBlat said:

This may answer some of the questions about plot holes
https://youtu.be/UDS1QelBiLM

"Obviously, the number one reason why he left Reva alive was so she could go scour the shire and give Ben some hope for the future [clip]. And to probably set up her own spinoff.

But, Vader sparing her makes sense within the show. For Reva's entire life, Vader has been using her. The moment she joined the inquisitors, he recognized her. [did you think I wouldn;t know you youngling]. So he’s always known that she wanted revenge, but he kept her around anyways–because she was never a threat to him. He saw her as someone he could use and throw away. [you are of no further use]"

No, that makes no sense. That's not a reason at all. All that guff sounded like my SW nerd friend justifying every plot hole with vagaries. And sitll the idea that a light saber burning a big hole in someone's torso isn't fatal, is just daft.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Flip Martian said:

And sitll the idea that a light saber burning a big hole in someone's torso isn't fatal, is just daft.

I don't want to get all geek but I posted earlier "have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise" it's literally in the revenge of the Sith and the whole reason Anakin goes batst trying to save Padme.

The sith and dark side users have a skill to dodge death, not if they have their head cut off but a stab wound absolutely, Darth Maul used the skill to stay alive after being chopped in half.

Palpatine said:

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

[anonymous-user]

As someone who’s loved Star Wars ever since I was about four or five ( I still remember wondering what a Jabba the Hutt was before Return of the Jedi came out) I still don’t know why Star Wars geeks are so utterly obsessed with plot holes.

The first three films were literally thrown together, directed by three different people and with goodness knows how many script writers. There simply isn’t much to hang any internal continuity off, it really isn’t a strength of the series and never has been.

[SlimJim16v]

MBBlat said:

This may answer some of the questions about plot holes
https://youtu.be/UDS1QelBiLM

It's bks, far fetched reasons to justify the holes.

This bit told me all I needed to know and didn't bother with it. "But also, the show is better if she lives and we get a final scene with her"

Pointing out enough huge plot holes you could fly a fleet of star destroyers through doesn't make you autistic.

[Flip Martian]

Newarch said:

As someone who’s loved Star Wars ever since I was about four or five ( I still remember wondering what a Jabba the Hutt was before Return of the Jedi came out) I still don’t know why Star Wars geeks are so utterly obsessed with plot holes.

The first three films were literally thrown together, directed by three different people and with goodness knows how many script writers. There simply isn’t much to hang any internal continuity off, it really isn’t a strength of the series and never has been.

Plot holes = poor writing. Most of us complaining don't appear to be SW geeks (I know I'm not one). I just want to see a well written story that makes sense, not have characters and situations written for convenience which don't actually make any sense, even for a sci fi plot. You're confusing "plot holes" with "breaking canon". I'm not a SW nerd so I don't know much canon, or care really.

For just 1 example: Reva orders a whole load of stormtroopers to set up a big cannon to blast down a blast proof door. They fail, despite lots of shooting at it with a big cannon. In the end she holds a quiet conversation THROUGH the closed doors (that couldn't be blasted open) with Kenobi, and then cuts open the blast proof door with her lightsaber. So what was the effing cannon for? And how was THAT so ineffectual? That is just poor writing. There are many many other examples through these pages. Not particularly breaking cannon, just examples of bad writing. And why should we ACCEPT a poorly written tv series? It's insulting to our intelligence.

Edited by Flip Martian on Tuesday 5th July 10:34

[Flip Martian]

Sheets Tabuer said:

I don't want to get all geek but I posted earlier "have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise" it's literally in the revenge of the Sith and the whole reason Anakin goes batst trying to save Padme.

The sith and dark side users have a skill to dodge death, not if they have their head cut off but a stab wound absolutely, Darth Maul used the skill to stay alive after being chopped in half.

I get that - my nerdy friend explained it to me. So Reva uses this skill to survive. Fine. But knowing they all have this skill contradicts the Grand Inquisitor she was clearly trying to kill by doing the "run them through the belly" thing. She was trying to kill him and take his place. If she knew he would survive that, she'd have chopped his head off or something.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Flip Martian said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

I don't want to get all geek but I posted earlier "have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise" it's literally in the revenge of the Sith and the whole reason Anakin goes batst trying to save Padme.

The sith and dark side users have a skill to dodge death, not if they have their head cut off but a stab wound absolutely, Darth Maul used the skill to stay alive after being chopped in half.

I get that - my nerdy friend explained it to me. So Reva uses this skill to survive. Fine. But knowing they all have this skill contradicts the Grand Inquisitor she was clearly trying to kill by doing the "run them through the belly" thing. She was trying to kill him and take his place. If she knew he would survive that, she'd have chopped his head off or something.

The grand inquisitor is a Pau'an, he has two stomachs, it's likely her stabbing him wasn't a major event.

[SlimJim16v]

Did Darth Plagueis even exist, even if he did, could really cheat death? Or was it all bullst to trick poor dim Anakin?

[Sheets Tabuer]

He was Palpatine's master, he was alive in episode 1 and was quite often pissed off by Palpatine. Yes he was able to cheat death and stop others dying.

If you've never been in to the animated series here's a fight between Ashoka and Maul to show you he's still alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwhjsKqJ-Uc