Hornby - A Model World
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droopsnoot said:
RichB said:
ChemicalChaos said:
Talking of which, have they changed the voiceover lady from S1 to S2? This one sounds slightly less "Northern"
From IMDB: Series 1 was narrated by Gaynor Faye who is from Leeds, Series 2 is narrated by Gaynor Faye who is from Liverpoole.g. https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/06/second-series...
Edited by RichB on Wednesday 22 February 21:59
RichB said:
droopsnoot said:
RichB said:
ChemicalChaos said:
Talking of which, have they changed the voiceover lady from S1 to S2? This one sounds slightly less "Northern"
From IMDB: Series 1 was narrated by Gaynor Faye who is from Leeds, Series 2 is narrated by Gaynor Faye who is from Liverpoole.g. https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/06/second-series...
Edited by RichB on Wednesday 22 February 21:59
LARK F1 GTR said:
I thought the Mr Bean Mini was hilarious! They should have done a light blue Reliant van to go with it as a set as one often popped up in a few episodes. It would be easy for them to model as they already had the Only Fools & Horses one.
Hornby are one step ahead of you with that idea.https://uk.scalextric.com/products/reliant-regal-s...
Edited by disastra98 on Thursday 23 February 19:51
Edited by disastra98 on Thursday 23 February 19:52
Doofus said:
How did Hornby (or whoever it was) first come up with a 1:76.2 scale for 00 anyway? I know in pre-metric days, people seemed to enjoy making numbers complicated just for the sake of it, but there has to be a reason why this scale was chosen.
From Wikipedia: Double-0 scale model railways were launched by Bing in 1921 as "The Table Railway", running on 16.5 mm (0.65 in) track and scaled at 4 mm-to-the-foot. In 1922, the first models of British prototypes appeared. etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OO_gauge#:~:text=7%2...
The complication is that O gauge 1:43.5 (7mm to the foot) preceded it by 10 years or more and the HO 'Half-O' came along. The track for HO is also used for OO meaning the track for OO model railways is actually undersized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HO_scale#History
Edited by RichB on Monday 27th February 22:41
RichB said:
Doofus said:
How did Hornby (or whoever it was) first come up with a 1:76.2 scale for 00 anyway? I know in pre-metric days, people seemed to enjoy making numbers complicated just for the sake of it, but there has to be a reason why this scale was chosen.
From Wikipedia: Double-0 scale model railways were launched by Bing in 1921 as "The Table Railway", running on 16.5 mm (0.65 in) track and scaled at 4 mm-to-the-foot. In 1922, the first models of British prototypes appeared. etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OO_gauge#:~:text=7%2...
The complication is that O gauge 1:43.5 (7mm to the foot) preceded it by 10 years or more and the HO 'Half-O' came along. The track for HO is also used for OO meaning the track for OO model railways is actually undersized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HO_scale#History
Edited by RichB on Monday 27th February 22:41
4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
siremoon said:
Doofus said:
Thank you.
4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
4' 8 1/2" and so proprietary 00 gauge track is too narrow and is why some people use EM or P4 gauge4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
Doofus said:
siremoon said:
Doofus said:
Thank you.
4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
4' 8 1/2" and so proprietary 00 gauge track is too narrow and is why some people use EM or P4 gauge4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
RichB said:
Doofus said:
siremoon said:
Doofus said:
Thank you.
4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
4' 8 1/2" and so proprietary 00 gauge track is too narrow and is why some people use EM or P4 gauge4mm to the foot, and 16.5mm track makes the scale size 4' 1.5", but I thought standard gauge was 4' 8"?
The error in the OO scale and track width is due to the size of the real thing.
Continental rolling stock is wider that UK stock.
When HO was designed at 3.5mm scale (1/86), the 16.5mm track gauge was correct to give the “four foot eight and half”.
When you scale a UK loco down to 3.5mm/foot, it is a few mm narrower than a continental model.
This was in the era of steam locos, which means there is less space “outside the wheels” to fit in all the pistons, rods and valve gear etc and keep it all inside the loading gauge (overall width) and make the loco robust enough for many year’s use.
This was not a problem with the larger continental locos which scale down nicely to 1/86.
So a new scale called OO was formed – with the same HO track, but the stock made to a larger 4mm/foot (1/76.2) scale.
This gave more room to fit the bits and pieces in, but with the downside that the rolling stock became, effectively, narrow gauge.
Not really a problem when building “toy trains” but some modellers wanted accuracy, hence EM Gauge (18.2mm gauge) appeared and then S4 and P4 (18.83 mm gauge) all which require the fitting of new wheels/axles to all the stock.
There was some British HO built (Lima tried in the 1970’s) - but it never caught on as OO had become the established format.
(As another poster said, the same thing happened with N (9mm) gauge – continental stock is 1/160, UK is 1/148).
Continental rolling stock is wider that UK stock.
When HO was designed at 3.5mm scale (1/86), the 16.5mm track gauge was correct to give the “four foot eight and half”.
When you scale a UK loco down to 3.5mm/foot, it is a few mm narrower than a continental model.
This was in the era of steam locos, which means there is less space “outside the wheels” to fit in all the pistons, rods and valve gear etc and keep it all inside the loading gauge (overall width) and make the loco robust enough for many year’s use.
This was not a problem with the larger continental locos which scale down nicely to 1/86.
So a new scale called OO was formed – with the same HO track, but the stock made to a larger 4mm/foot (1/76.2) scale.
This gave more room to fit the bits and pieces in, but with the downside that the rolling stock became, effectively, narrow gauge.
Not really a problem when building “toy trains” but some modellers wanted accuracy, hence EM Gauge (18.2mm gauge) appeared and then S4 and P4 (18.83 mm gauge) all which require the fitting of new wheels/axles to all the stock.
There was some British HO built (Lima tried in the 1970’s) - but it never caught on as OO had become the established format.
(As another poster said, the same thing happened with N (9mm) gauge – continental stock is 1/160, UK is 1/148).
The inaccuracy in British N-scale 'gauge' is inconsequential though, the 9mm track gauge equals near enough 4'6" so the difference is about 1/3 of a mm, and not worth worrying about given that the rails are so out of scale anyway. (Unless you're doing finescale N in which case you are on a different plateau of railway modelling.)
RichB said:
Just watched the episode with the TT120 A4 William Whitelaw. It certainly looks like a nicely detailed model but in some of the shots the trailing wheels on the pony truck are derailed. You would think the TV crew would check such details before going for the final shot. 
For me, the nameplate seemed to be oversized on the decorated sample. 3D printer was interesting, but I'm sure they already had one in the first series.Garden railway was lovely, though. I'd really like something like that, and doing it in OO instead of something larger allows realistic train and platform lengths.
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