The Gold, Sunday eve

[rdjohn]

Watched the last episode last night and was disappointed that they did not tell us how long Cooper got for the white-collared crime.

Turns out he was a fictional composite character, so, presumably, they all got away with it.

I got the impression that the (non-corrupt) Police were quite clever with their investigation, so the obvious conclusion is that crime pays - if you are prepared to serve your 10-years, or so, if you get caught.

[youngsyr]

I understand that Cooper was mainly Relton and he got 12 years?

As for crime paying, I think most of the people in the show received some form of punishment eventually, up to and including being shot dead, so not so sure.

Would be interesting to hear what happened to the other half of the gold though.

[Oakey]

Basically McAvoy was screwed over by his South London associates for the other half.

Brian Perry allegedly told police "when the cell door closes, what's he got to trade?" when he wanted to trade his share in for a reduced sentence. Perry was shot dead in 2001

McAvoy's mentor, a Kray era villain and close friend of Fred Foreman called Ronnie Olliffe aka The Fox who ran a spieler on the Old Kent Road (where Brinks Mat was planned) started working with Jimmy Holmes and the long fella and tried to enlist them to steal a sizeable amount of it from the chimney of Patsy 'Bolt Eyes' Clark. Olliffe died of old age. Patsy Clark was convicted of laundering some of the gold.

[andymc]

Judas Pig is a great read

[Louis Balfour]

youngsyr said:

I understand that Cooper was mainly Relton and he got 12 years?

As for crime paying, I think most of the people in the show received some form of punishment eventually, up to and including being shot dead, so not so sure.

I listened to a documentary on Radio 4 where they interviewed an armed robber and discussed his career. He was quite prolific and successful but he concluded that he would have earned as much doing a proper job. Also he would not have needed to serve time.

[Randy Winkman]

youngsyr said:

I understand that Cooper was mainly Relton and he got 12 years?

As for crime paying, I think most of the people in the show received some form of punishment eventually, up to and including being shot dead, so not so sure.

Would be interesting to hear what happened to the other half of the gold though.

Might have already been said, but I read that it's estimated that about a dozen people (criminals) have been killed because of the gold.

[DKL]

Finished it last week.
2 questions:
Who got shot in the last episode and where does that fit in?

I might be being dim but the suggestion seemed to be that all the story we saw was only for half the gold. The other half seemed to involve the other bloke in Spain who threw the radio off the balcony. I don't think he'd been in it before had he?

Cheers

[Zarco]

DKL said:

Finished it last week.
2 questions:
Who got shot in the last episode and where does that fit in?

I might be being dim but the suggestion seemed to be that all the story we saw was only for half the gold. The other half seemed to involve the other bloke in Spain who threw the radio off the balcony. I don't think he'd been in it before had he?

Cheers

The guy that got shot was the one who had spent McAvoy's gold money on cars for his taxi firm. He was trying to rip him off somehow I think (although I didn't quite follow how that all worked).

The bloke with the radio in Spain had got away with the other half of the gold. We weren't told how. He was in the first episode albeit wearing a balaclava and not identified.

I really enjoyed the series. Never knew about the supposed Canary Wharf connection.

[fridaypassion]

youngsyr said:

I understand that Cooper was mainly Relton and he got 12 years?

As for crime paying, I think most of the people in the show received some form of punishment eventually, up to and including being shot dead, so not so sure.

Would be interesting to hear what happened to the other half of the gold though.

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that) and the stabbing of Stephen Cameron. A horrible creature.

Theres a really interesting podcast series on John Palmer who met his grizzly end as its suspected he was about to start assisting the feds with their enquiries

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2023/bbc-radio-5-l...

[fourstardan]

I wonder how much down the bottom of the chain Brinks Mat money dripped too into assets to launder it?

That mate of a mate with the house and car you just always wondered "how the hell could he had afforded that" through to people opening businesses like nightclubs and bars out of nothing.

[DKL]

Zarco said:

DKL said:

Finished it last week.
2 questions:
Who got shot in the last episode and where does that fit in?

I might be being dim but the suggestion seemed to be that all the story we saw was only for half the gold. The other half seemed to involve the other bloke in Spain who threw the radio off the balcony. I don't think he'd been in it before had he?

Cheers

The guy that got shot was the one who had spent McAvoy's gold money on cars for his taxi firm. He was trying to rip him off somehow I think (although I didn't quite follow how that all worked).

The bloke with the radio in Spain had got away with the other half of the gold. We weren't told how. He was in the first episode albeit wearing a balaclava and not identified.

I really enjoyed the series. Never knew about the supposed Canary Wharf connection.

thanks for that.

[Louis Balfour]

fridaypassion said:

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that)

The copper was creeping around his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. It's no great surprise that the jury found him innocent.

[Oakey]

Zarco said:

DKL said:

Finished it last week.
2 questions:
Who got shot in the last episode and where does that fit in?

I might be being dim but the suggestion seemed to be that all the story we saw was only for half the gold. The other half seemed to involve the other bloke in Spain who threw the radio off the balcony. I don't think he'd been in it before had he?

Cheers

The guy that got shot was the one who had spent McAvoy's gold money on cars for his taxi firm. He was trying to rip him off somehow I think (although I didn't quite follow how that all worked).

The bloke with the radio in Spain had got away with the other half of the gold. We weren't told how. He was in the first episode albeit wearing a balaclava and not identified.

I really enjoyed the series. Never knew about the supposed Canary Wharf connection.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/nov/25/ukcrime.tonythompson

[youngsyr]

Oakey said:

Basically McAvoy was screwed over by his South London associates for the other half.

Brian Perry allegedly told police "when the cell door closes, what's he got to trade?" when he wanted to trade his share in for a reduced sentence. Perry was shot dead in 2001

McAvoy's mentor, a Kray era villain and close friend of Fred Foreman called Ronnie Olliffe aka The Fox who ran a spieler on the Old Kent Road (where Brinks Mat was planned) started working with Jimmy Holmes and the long fella and tried to enlist them to steal a sizeable amount of it from the chimney of Patsy 'Bolt Eyes' Clark. Olliffe died of old age. Patsy Clark was convicted of laundering some of the gold.

My understanding is that McAvoy's share was 1/3 of half of it, I.e. 1/6th of the total haul?

There were 6 robbers. Half of the gold seemed to just disappear.

[fourstardan]

We'll never know, maybe John Palmer did a smelt one get one free?

One thing I noticed on that telegraph article is the Rotties were with Mcavoy before he went inside and in The Gold his missus bought them.

[wpa1975]

Louis Balfour said:

fridaypassion said:

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that)

The copper was creeping around his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. It's no great surprise that the jury found him innocent.

I an sorry but you cannot stab someone 10 times and claim it as self defence.

Evil man who should never be free.

[Louis Balfour]

wpa1975 said:

Louis Balfour said:

fridaypassion said:

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that)

The copper was creeping around his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. It's no great surprise that the jury found him innocent.

I an sorry but you cannot stab someone 10 times and claim it as self defence.

You can, and the jury agreed you can. When adrenaline is flowing, most people lose the capacity for fine judgement.

[youngsyr]

Louis Balfour said:

wpa1975 said:

Louis Balfour said:

fridaypassion said:

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that)

The copper was creeping around his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. It's no great surprise that the jury found him innocent.

I an sorry but you cannot stab someone 10 times and claim it as self defence.

You can, and the jury agreed you can. When adrenaline is flowing, most people lose the capacity for fine judgement.

Yeah, because I'm sure the policeman attacked Noye!

And it's not as if Noye was a nasty bd who would later stab someone to death over a road rage incident...

[Louis Balfour]

youngsyr said:

Louis Balfour said:

wpa1975 said:

Louis Balfour said:

fridaypassion said:

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that)

The copper was creeping around his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. It's no great surprise that the jury found him innocent.

I an sorry but you cannot stab someone 10 times and claim it as self defence.

You can, and the jury agreed you can. When adrenaline is flowing, most people lose the capacity for fine judgement.

Yeah, because I'm sure the policeman attacked Noye!

And it's not as if Noye was a nasty bd who would later stab someone to death over a road rage incident...

It doesn't matter. The copper was creeping about his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. In similar circumstances, I think most people would assume the intruder wasn't there to prune the roses.

The jury made a decision based upon the evidence presented to them. Obviously they didn't have the benefit of being able to see into the future.

Noye was (is?) a violent individual. The police should probably have considered that before deciding to take the action they did.

[Alickadoo]

Louis Balfour said:

Noye was (is?) a violent individual. The police should probably have considered that before deciding to take the action they did.

I suspect Noye put 2 and 2 together when he realised someone was creeping around his garden all in black, with a mask on. Juries can be irrational. The defence played on that.