The Gold, Sunday eve

[PurpleTurtle]

I'm currently reading 'A Million Ways To Stay On The Run' - The uncut story of the international manhunt for public enemy no.1 Kenny Noye

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1915306264

Authors are well known investigative reporter Donal McIntyre and (somewhat surprisingly) Karl Howman aka Jacko from Brushstrokes!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Howman

4 quid on Amazon - according to the liner notes Kenny Noye did not profit from it, although is interviewed for it by Howman.

It's a very good read, giving an insight into the mind of Noye. Also quite incredible to see how John 'Goldfinger' Palmer became so staggeringly wealthy despite not being able to read or write!

[Louis Balfour]

Alickadoo said:

Louis Balfour said:

Noye was (is?) a violent individual. The police should probably have considered that before deciding to take the action they did.

I suspect Noye put 2 and 2 together when he realised someone was creeping around his garden all in black, with a mask on. Juries can be irrational. The defence played on that.

This is all becoming a bit silly isn’t it. He was tried and not found guilty. The outcome was likely more just than the verdict of the PH court of everything.

[wpa1975]

Louis Balfour said:

Alickadoo said:

Louis Balfour said:

Noye was (is?) a violent individual. The police should probably have considered that before deciding to take the action they did.

I suspect Noye put 2 and 2 together when he realised someone was creeping around his garden all in black, with a mask on. Juries can be irrational. The defence played on that.

This is all becoming a bit silly isn’t it. He was tried and not found guilty. The outcome was likely more just than the verdict of the PH court of everything.

Your the one trying to justify Noye's actions, at the end of the day no matter how you look at it he still stabbed an unarmed police officer carrying out his duties 10 times, nothing you say will ever justify that, no matter what the jury said or felt about the case, if he had stabbed him a few times that would be different and maybe just maybe you could say self defence but he murdered John Fordham plain and simple, he should have been found guilty.

To know he got away with it and yet later murdered Stephen Cameron whilst on licence is shocking.

[youngsyr]

Louis Balfour said:

Alickadoo said:

Louis Balfour said:

Noye was (is?) a violent individual. The police should probably have considered that before deciding to take the action they did.

I suspect Noye put 2 and 2 together when he realised someone was creeping around his garden all in black, with a mask on. Juries can be irrational. The defence played on that.

This is all becoming a bit silly isn’t it. He was tried and not found guilty. The outcome was likely more just than the verdict of the PH court of everything.

Laughable, you're either naive or stupid. A large part of the programme focuses on (and the real events confirm) that this wasn't a straight-forward case of justice being served to the bad guys, or did you miss the entire point of an independent police team being set up to investigate and not involve the wider police force as well as Noye's connections with the police?!

[Louis Balfour]

youngsyr said:

Louis Balfour said:

Alickadoo said:

Louis Balfour said:

Noye was (is?) a violent individual. The police should probably have considered that before deciding to take the action they did.

I suspect Noye put 2 and 2 together when he realised someone was creeping around his garden all in black, with a mask on. Juries can be irrational. The defence played on that.

This is all becoming a bit silly isn’t it. He was tried and not found guilty. The outcome was likely more just than the verdict of the PH court of everything.

Laughable, you're either naive or stupid. A large part of the programme focuses on (and the real events confirm) that this wasn't a straight-forward case of justice being served to the bad guys, or did you miss the entire point of an independent police team being set up to investigate and not involve the wider police force as well as Noye's connections with the police?!

Errr... no actually I cannot be bothered.

Anyway, a good series. Enjoyable watch.

[gt_12345]

Zarco said:

DKL said:

Finished it last week.
2 questions:
Who got shot in the last episode and where does that fit in?

I might be being dim but the suggestion seemed to be that all the story we saw was only for half the gold. The other half seemed to involve the other bloke in Spain who threw the radio off the balcony. I don't think he'd been in it before had he?

Cheers

The bloke with the radio in Spain had got away with the other half of the gold. We weren't told how. He was in the first episode albeit wearing a balaclava and not identified.

Is this based on anything factual or was it creative licence?

[gt_12345]

wpa1975 said:

Louis Balfour said:

fridaypassion said:

Ironic that Noye came to no harm its disgraceful he was ever released from Prison. Killed a copper (although obviously he got away with that)

The copper was creeping around his garden in the dark, dressed in camo and ski mask. It's no great surprise that the jury found him innocent.

I an sorry but you cannot stab someone 10 times and claim it as self defence.

Evil man who should never be free.

You can, quite easily.

What you can't claim is you open your front door in self defence.......

Edited by gt_12345 on Monday 27th March 15:33

[Zarco]

gt_12345 said:

Zarco said:

DKL said:

Finished it last week.
2 questions:
Who got shot in the last episode and where does that fit in?

I might be being dim but the suggestion seemed to be that all the story we saw was only for half the gold. The other half seemed to involve the other bloke in Spain who threw the radio off the balcony. I don't think he'd been in it before had he?

Cheers

The bloke with the radio in Spain had got away with the other half of the gold. We weren't told how. He was in the first episode albeit wearing a balaclava and not identified.

Is this based on anything factual or was it creative licence?

Poetic I think.

Otherwise they might have told us how he did it.

[Randy Winkman]

PurpleTurtle said:

I'm currently reading 'A Million Ways To Stay On The Run' - The uncut story of the international manhunt for public enemy no.1 Kenny Noye

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1915306264

Authors are well known investigative reporter Donal McIntyre and (somewhat surprisingly) Karl Howman aka Jacko from Brushstrokes!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Howman

4 quid on Amazon - according to the liner notes Kenny Noye did not profit from it, although is interviewed for it by Howman.

It's a very good read, giving an insight into the mind of Noye. Also quite incredible to see how John 'Goldfinger' Palmer became so staggeringly wealthy despite not being able to read or write!

Cheers. I've ordered that.

[BobToc]

Thanks for that recommendation as well, I really rate Macintyre.

[youngsyr]

Thanks again for the recommendation!

Any recommendations for books on John Palmer - coincidentally he lived and died a stone's throw from me.

[Oakey]

gt_12345 said:

Is this based on anything factual or was it creative licence?

McAvoy and Robinson were convicted.

Tony White disappeared to Spain I believe

John 'Little Legs' Lloyd went on the run

Brian Perry is suspected of being another robber, he was shot dead in 2001.

Not sure who the sixth member was (unless they include Black, the inside man)

McAvoy said in his final interview they split the three ton of gold in half immediately.

Noye and Palmer disposed of one half.

The other half was stashed all over London with the Adams family disposing of some of it through Solly Nahome.

[n3il123]

youngsyr said:

Thanks again for the recommendation!

Any recommendations for books on John Palmer - coincidentally he lived and died a stone's throw from me.

I read killing goldfinger a while ago and enjoyed it.

[gt_12345]

Oakey said:

gt_12345 said:

Is this based on anything factual or was it creative licence?

McAvoy and Robinson were convicted.

Tony White disappeared to Spain I believe

John 'Little Legs' Lloyd went on the run

Brian Perry is suspected of being another robber, he was shot dead in 2001.

Not sure who the sixth member was (unless they include Black, the inside man)

McAvoy said in his final interview they split the three ton of gold in half immediately.

Noye and Palmer disposed of one half.

The other half was stashed all over London with the Adams family disposing of some of it through Solly Nahome.

I just meant the other half (gold) part but thanks

[rdjohn]

Randy Winkman said:

Might have already been said, but I read that it's estimated that about a dozen people (criminals) have been killed because of the gold.

I know that the BBC was criticised for making the characters seem like cheerful cheeky-chappie Eastenders. Your observation shows just how evil they really were.

[fourstardan]

rdjohn said:

I know that the BBC was criticised for making the characters seem like cheerful cheeky-chappie Eastenders. Your observation shows just how evil they really were.

Maybe 40 years was still a bit too early to make a documentary, but half of them are brown bread now (except the most evil of them).

I'm sure folk were terrorised by the peaky blinders would say the same if this was made generations ago as a drama.

I watched the Hour documentary and thought it was quite good, funny how you can string a drama out for 6 weeks yet cram in the whole real detail about the investigation into an hour.

[Randy Winkman]

rdjohn said:

Randy Winkman said:

Might have already been said, but I read that it's estimated that about a dozen people (criminals) have been killed because of the gold.

I know that the BBC was criticised for making the characters seem like cheerful cheeky-chappie Eastenders. Your observation shows just how evil they really were.

I know they were criticised for the characterisation but I didn't think any of them were made to look particularly good. I didn't take notes on who was who but most were either a bit thick or just deluded in their excuses for committing crime. Noye was actually a bit dull compared with what I assume the real person is like. Nothing much to "aspire" to if anyone was so inclined.

[GloverMart]

i think Palmer at one point lived about three or four miles from me, on the road up to Bath Racecourse from Wick.

[fourstardan]

Yammy B has done some good videos on the crooks in The Gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdw7AGquRWs

[macp]

Just started watching this. And found this thread. Not read the whole thread for obvious reasons. Done two episodes tonight and its excellent. Hugh Bonneville is impressive. Didnt know he had it in him. Made me think of The Sweeney although that was much grittier than this. That is all