The Gold, Sunday eve
Discussion
Doofus said:
I'm not trying to be a dick, but do you mean "Borrowed money from" or "Loaned money to"?
You know the answer, I don't think Tate was killed because he loaned money to Noye. Yes it should be Noye's borrowed money to Tate, I think people get the gist, doesn't really need correcting.Golfgtimk28v said:
Doofus said:
I'm not trying to be a dick, but do you mean "Borrowed money from" or "Loaned money to"?
You know the answer, I don't think Tate was killed because he loaned money to Noye. Yes it should be Noye's borrowed money to Tate, I think people get the gist, doesn't really need correcting.Halmyre said:
Noye apparently was fairly happy with his portrayal which suggests a bit of economic fiddling with the truth.
It's the BBC. Career criminal and double killer = Robin Hood character robbing from the rich. I feel such anger towards him. Totally irrational of course but as someone from a police family, the idea that he got away with stabbing a police officer to death enrages me. Ditto that he likely still benefits indirectly from the financial proceeds.
Only Noye knows the truth of what happened on that night but from what I gather, it was just him and Fordham in a dark garden. Fordham's partner wasn't nearby but suspects he was stabbed whilst running away, as the wounds were to his back. Fordham may well have identified himself as police and perhaps Noye just thought f
k it, I'm having you. b
d. MBVitoria said:
Halmyre said:
Noye apparently was fairly happy with his portrayal which suggests a bit of economic fiddling with the truth.
It's the BBC. Career criminal and double killer = Robin Hood character robbing from the rich. I feel such anger towards him. Totally irrational of course but as someone from a police family, the idea that he got away with stabbing a police officer to death enrages me. Ditto that he likely still benefits indirectly from the financial proceeds.
Only Noye knows the truth of what happened on that night but from what I gather, it was just him and Fordham in a dark garden. Fordham's partner wasn't nearby but suspects he was stabbed whilst running away, as the wounds were to his back. Fordham may well have identified himself as police and perhaps Noye just thought f
k it, I'm having you. b
d. I think it's awful he didn't get done for the stabbing but I can certainly see it from the jury's point of view.
From what I know from reading lots of books on the subject of the Rettendon murders, Noye lent Tate a considerable sum which was handed over in a pub near Brands Hatch (nice pistonheady link there). Tate overestimated his relationship with Noye (Tate was a bit of a criminal class climber) and when Noye just dropped the bag and left Tate took umbrage at Noye for mugging him off in front of associates and told anyone that would listen that Noye was knocked (he ain’t getting his money back)
Now I’d give anyone from that world a wide bearth and I certainly wouldn’t brag of my disdain for someone like Noye.
This is all of course from books written by Bernard O’Mahoney who now it seems could be full of st. But that’s why I think Noye could have been involved.
Now I’d give anyone from that world a wide bearth and I certainly wouldn’t brag of my disdain for someone like Noye.
This is all of course from books written by Bernard O’Mahoney who now it seems could be full of s
t. But that’s why I think Noye could have been involved.Randy Winkman said:
MBVitoria said:
Halmyre said:
Noye apparently was fairly happy with his portrayal which suggests a bit of economic fiddling with the truth.
It's the BBC. Career criminal and double killer = Robin Hood character robbing from the rich. I feel such anger towards him. Totally irrational of course but as someone from a police family, the idea that he got away with stabbing a police officer to death enrages me. Ditto that he likely still benefits indirectly from the financial proceeds.
Only Noye knows the truth of what happened on that night but from what I gather, it was just him and Fordham in a dark garden. Fordham's partner wasn't nearby but suspects he was stabbed whilst running away, as the wounds were to his back. Fordham may well have identified himself as police and perhaps Noye just thought f
k it, I'm having you. b
d. I think it's awful he didn't get done for the stabbing but I can certainly see it from the jury's point of view.
essexplumber said:
From what I know from reading lots of books on the subject of the Rettendon murders, Noye lent Tate a considerable sum which was handed over in a pub near Brands Hatch (nice pistonheady link there). Tate overestimated his relationship with Noye (Tate was a bit of a criminal class climber) and when Noye just dropped the bag and left Tate took umbrage at Noye for mugging him off in front of associates and told anyone that would listen that Noye was knocked (he ain’t getting his money back)
Now I’d give anyone from that world a wide bearth and I certainly wouldn’t brag of my disdain for someone like Noye.
This is all of course from books written by Bernard O’Mahoney who now it seems could be full of st. But that’s why I think Noye could have been involved.
Yeah, it’s a strange one that isn’t? I’ve read a lot of Bernard O’Mahoney’s books on the case. And for a long time following the conviction of Steele and Wholmes (he BOM) was absolutely adamant that they were totally innocent and could not possibly have done it. Going to great lengths etc.Now I’d give anyone from that world a wide bearth and I certainly wouldn’t brag of my disdain for someone like Noye.
This is all of course from books written by Bernard O’Mahoney who now it seems could be full of s
t. But that’s why I think Noye could have been involved.Then, about 10 years later he did an absolute about face and came out and started that actually were guilty all along…
Jim H said:
Yeah, it’s a strange one that isn’t? I’ve read a lot of Bernard O’Mahoney’s books on the case. And for a long time following the conviction of Steele and Wholmes (he BOM) was absolutely adamant that they were totally innocent and could not possibly have done it. Going to great lengths etc.
Then, about 10 years later he did an absolute about face and came out and started that actually were guilty all along…
It makes anything he says unbelievable now. But I always though the RRM were the work of the higher ups, the ones you don’t hear of as such. I know Noye is infamous now but he still fits the bill and there are connections (would BOM fabricate facts in a book about someone as dangerous as Noye?) to the Essex boys.Then, about 10 years later he did an absolute about face and came out and started that actually were guilty all along…
There is a new Sky documentary due soon about the RRM actually.
The latest theory is that Patsy 'Bolt Eyes' Clark (who is well connected to the Bowers from the Peacock Gym) organised a cash in transit robbery. After said robbery, Tucker was given about £300k to launder but decided to keep it after the robbery were caught and sent down. Later they would get released (think on some technicality) and they wanted their money back.
Oakey said:
The latest theory is that Patsy 'Bolt Eyes' Clark (who is well connected to the Bowers from the Peacock Gym) organised a cash in transit robbery. After said robbery, Tucker was given about £300k to launder but decided to keep it after the robbery were caught and sent down. Later they would get released (think on some technicality) and they wanted their money back.
Given what I’ve heard and read about the 3 of them I can believe that!MBVitoria said:
Randy Winkman said:
MBVitoria said:
Halmyre said:
Noye apparently was fairly happy with his portrayal which suggests a bit of economic fiddling with the truth.
It's the BBC. Career criminal and double killer = Robin Hood character robbing from the rich. I feel such anger towards him. Totally irrational of course but as someone from a police family, the idea that he got away with stabbing a police officer to death enrages me. Ditto that he likely still benefits indirectly from the financial proceeds.
Only Noye knows the truth of what happened on that night but from what I gather, it was just him and Fordham in a dark garden. Fordham's partner wasn't nearby but suspects he was stabbed whilst running away, as the wounds were to his back. Fordham may well have identified himself as police and perhaps Noye just thought f
k it, I'm having you. b
d. I think it's awful he didn't get done for the stabbing but I can certainly see it from the jury's point of view.
essexplumber said:
Oakey said:
The latest theory is that Patsy 'Bolt Eyes' Clark (who is well connected to the Bowers from the Peacock Gym) organised a cash in transit robbery. After said robbery, Tucker was given about £300k to launder but decided to keep it after the robbery were caught and sent down. Later they would get released (think on some technicality) and they wanted their money back.
Given what I’ve heard and read about the 3 of them I can believe that!I think this theory is what the Sky doc will be about. Apparently Bernard was fuming that he wasn't included.
It all ties back to the Billy Jasper statement which was dismissed via claims he wasn't credible but Jasper had previous for telling the police about another murder. He gave information up about Bobby Khan and Stanley Wise allegedly killing Nick Whiting which resulted in Jasper getting shot in the mouth by Khan.
OK, so this is excessive pedantry, sorry... in Episode 3, the police look at an Ordnance Survey style map showing Reigate one-way system and Junction 8 of the M25. The map shows a fully functioning M25 both sides of that junction, but unfortunately the motorway ended at this point in late 1983 and was not opened west of Junction 8 until 1985 (according to https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?titl... ) ... I suppose it would have been shown as 'under construction' in a map from 1983?
I was a bit surprised to see Reigate anyway as the encounter with the suspect there appeared to happen a few seconds after he left Noye's house in West Kingsdown, which is 30 miles away.
Somebody else has already mentioned the mistake of showing a Mk3 Granada in 1983, but I'm not complaining as I really like these cars. Also they've given it a bogus B registration which is doubly wrong, firstly because the first Mk3s were C reg and secondly because the first B plates hit the road in August 1984.
Ah well, never mind, it's fictionalised and I'm quite enjoying the drama. Though I think the 'class war' stuff is a bit overdone.
I was a bit surprised to see Reigate anyway as the encounter with the suspect there appeared to happen a few seconds after he left Noye's house in West Kingsdown, which is 30 miles away.
Somebody else has already mentioned the mistake of showing a Mk3 Granada in 1983, but I'm not complaining as I really like these cars. Also they've given it a bogus B registration which is doubly wrong, firstly because the first Mk3s were C reg and secondly because the first B plates hit the road in August 1984.
Ah well, never mind, it's fictionalised and I'm quite enjoying the drama. Though I think the 'class war' stuff is a bit overdone.
Oakey said:
I think only Tucker was the target, Rolfe and Tate were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I think this theory is what the Sky doc will be about. Apparently Bernard was fuming that he wasn't included.
It all ties back to the Billy Jasper statement which was dismissed via claims he wasn't credible but Jasper had previous for telling the police about another murder. He gave information up about Bobby Khan and Stanley Wise allegedly killing Nick Whiting which resulted in Jasper getting shot in the mouth by Khan.
Can’t wait for that documentary!!I think this theory is what the Sky doc will be about. Apparently Bernard was fuming that he wasn't included.
It all ties back to the Billy Jasper statement which was dismissed via claims he wasn't credible but Jasper had previous for telling the police about another murder. He gave information up about Bobby Khan and Stanley Wise allegedly killing Nick Whiting which resulted in Jasper getting shot in the mouth by Khan.
Without meaning to sound like a misogynistic relic, after the initial title card stating it was a dramatisation as soon as the female DI walked into shot I had to role my eyes. She's a great character and really well played, but there's no way you'd have a female DI on the flying squad in the early 80s. It jusy didn't happen.
The class war / Robin Hood story is a bit odd too.
But the biggest failing for me is that it really doesnt portray how much of an utter Noye is.
The class war / Robin Hood story is a bit odd too.
But the biggest failing for me is that it really doesnt portray how much of an utter
Noye is.Tom1312 said:
Without meaning to sound like a misogynistic relic, after the initial title card stating it was a dramatisation as soon as the female DI walked into shot I had to role my eyes. She's a great character and really well played, but there's no way you'd have a female DI on the flying squad in the early 80s. It jusy didn't happen.
The class war / Robin Hood story is a bit odd too.
But the biggest failing for me is that it really doesnt portray how much of an utter Noye is.
Female police officers were first appointed to the Flying Squad in 1959.The class war / Robin Hood story is a bit odd too.
But the biggest failing for me is that it really doesnt portray how much of an utter
Noye is.But that character is fictional.
Oakey said:
Links no worky mate
essexplumber said:
Links no worky mate
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