Mr Bates vs The Post Office

[Forester1965]

I guess the similarity is that they're both examples of widespread malpractice (bordering/crossing the criminal threshold) where senior people (up to board level) were aware of it, yet nothing was done until public pressure forced it.

[Fastpedeller]

tele_lover said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

If criminal convictions aren't possible, then civil cases need to be brought and these people bankrupted, just like they did to the SPMs.

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Some individuals need to experience punishment, not the "Post Office".

Indeed 'The Post Office' hasn't done this to SPM's - It's some people working in and for the Post Office that are culpable. The Post Office should be 'viewed as a building'

[balise]

Legal week this with a few from Cartwright King and Jarnail Singh on Friday

[tele_lover]

Fastpedeller said:

tele_lover said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

If criminal convictions aren't possible, then civil cases need to be brought and these people bankrupted, just like they did to the SPMs.

This

Some individuals need to experience punishment, not the "Post Office".

Indeed 'The Post Office' hasn't done this to SPM's - It's some people working in and for the Post Office that are culpable. The Post Office should be 'viewed as a building'

Exactly!

It boils my **** when individuals do something and the organisation is the only one punished.

It doesn't matter if AVDB didn't write any explicit emails. She was officially responsible for certain operations. Those operations resulted in fraud, whether she gave approval or not. Therefore she is responsible (that is what she is literally paid for- responsibility).

[SydneyBridge]

Just booked to see Nick Wallis speaking, should be good and certainly topical at the moment

https://www.postofficescandal.uk/live-events/

[Wills2]

When it comes to comparisons, I'm not sure that comparing Hugh's and Sienna's hurt feelings compare to being thrown in jail, bankrupted or even worse driven to suicide and I'm sure even they would agree. (Milly Dowler's phone hacking was an utter disgrace though and clearly the journalists had lost the plot and the paper had to close as they no longer had a readership.)

The post office is beyond redemption, they have shown that even with some of the culprits no longer in post the same culture continues with many still in post.

They are still employing the same tactics regarding disclosure as witnessed by Beer's statements to the inquiry last week, the SPM still haven't been paid out, how many of those £600,000 cheques the government announced 7 months ago have been cashed, none is the answer, the bill is still in the report stage with another 8 stages to go having only been through 2 completed stages.

Their reputation is in tatters yet they are still spending our money and wasting our time trying to defend it.

[Stussy]

Today starting 9:45

Hugh Flemington - former Head of Legal at Post Office Ltd

Harry Bowyer - Barrister and former employee of Cartwright King Solicitors

[732NM]

This bloke is a slippery liar.

[LimmerickLad]

He's another "I don't recall" merchant and an obvious slippery liar IMO.

[the tribester]

Fancy not recalling you were the Single Point of Contact for Horizon issues!

That'll head off dozens more questions they had planned.

[Wills2]

He's looking to place himself as an onlooker.

[732NM]

"I don't understand technical information"

The neck on this bloke.

[Eric Mc]

Wills2 said:

He's looking to place himself as an onlooker.

Weren't they all.

[dundarach]

Fascinating example of corporate responsibility, or total lack of it.

It'll be interesting whether anything actually happens with any of them. There's decades of proven lies that directly resulted in destroyed lives and worse.
If you can delay and avoid questions for long enough you're in the clear.

Amazing really.

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

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[LimmerickLad]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

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wker!

He's a lawyer FFS..............not for much longer I hope!

[Wills2]

Hilarious, do you remember the context of this conference....er no. (I said in my head seconds before he repeated it)

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

LimmerickLad said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

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wker!

He's a lawyer FFS..............not for much longer I hope!

Head of legal. Doesn't recall any details about what went on during one of the largest scandals that has ever hit his employer.

I don't believe him.

[TwinKam]

I would love to know how much (of taxpayers' money) POL has spent coaching their staff & ex-staff in the art of evasiveness and selective memory in preparation for this Inquiry. They must have been doing one-on-one role-play exercises week-in, week-out, for months to get to this level...

[Bonefish Blues]

I've only watched 5 mins, having cracked and started, but he's royally pissing me off already.