Stupid things in films

[central]

JonRB said:

Also, didn't we do this subject only a week or so ago?

16 pages.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Mutley]

youngsyr said:

Mutley said:

youngsyr said:

JonRB said:

youngsyr said:

What, reducing throttle to minimum and pulling up hard?

I find that hard to believe.

And deploying the airbrake and flaps, as I recall.

It's a variation on the Harrier's VIFF isn't it?

Ok, I have several issues with this, but am far from an expert.

Firstly, won't deploying the airbrakes and flaps at speed simply rip them off?

Secondly, won't the aircraft stall very quickly after it's put in a steep climb on minimal throttle?

Finally, why on earth can the aircraft following not just do the same?

1 - If you notice the F14 has wings forward, (I can't recall seeing flaps being deployed in this)

2 - Which is why on a sudden stall pull up the throttle is rammed forward again and nose pushed down (ever been to an airshow and watched a stall turn? same principle)

3 - reaction time, element of surprise

Re point 2, I was just trying to clarify this and work out which way the throttle works on an aircraft.

If I recall correctly, Maverick jerks the controls in opposite directions on the manoeuvre (stick hard back, throttle hard forward), so in actual fact is he not accelerating into a climb? If so, that's going to give him absolutely no advantage beyond it being a simple direction change.

I'm not buying 3 either, it's not like the guy following is reading a newspaper whilst all this is going on and he's certainly not going to "fly right by" on a straight and level course at a closing speed of hundreds of mph as shown in the film.

He does indeed, in order to initiate the "stall" you accelerate into the climb. For the manoeuver to work with something like the Tomcat you need extra air through the intake to prevent "flame out" when doing the move, it's a simple yank back then forward again, 250odd Kts to 50 and back up again sorta thing - think of the Su 27 Cobra display

At the speeds (and proximity in the film) shown, it is logical and expected that the following pilot can't react in time

Edited by Mutley on Thursday 26th March 17:09

[JonRB]

Dracoro said:

I don't know a film where the CGI is that good that I hadn't noticed.

How do you know? Maybe you have seen lots of CGI that is so good that you haven't noticed and, errr, well not noticed.

[Kaelic]

youngsyr said:

Kaelic said:

youngsyr said:

JonRB said:

youngsyr said:

What, reducing throttle to minimum and pulling up hard?

I find that hard to believe.

And deploying the airbrake and flaps, as I recall.

It's a variation on the Harrier's VIFF isn't it?

Ok, I have several issues with this, but am far from an expert.

Firstly, won't deploying the airbrakes and flaps at speed simply rip them off?

Secondly, won't the aircraft stall very quickly after it's put in a steep climb on minimal throttle?

Finally, why on earth can't the aircraft following not just do the same?

Edited by youngsyr on Thursday 26th March 16:52

Have you ever heard of a stall turn?

Nope, but I'd imagine the guy in the "Mig" might have, if that helps?

Yes considering its a 100 year old move most pilots know about it

Thing is though in close air combat getting behind your enemy is the thing you need to do, that is what Maverick does in his dogfight. He bleeds as much speed as he can using his aircraft as a giant airbrake as such to get behind the mig (well it wasnt really a mig but you know what I mean). Yes a "real" pilot would counter it but there would still be a few seconds lost and his targeting solution would be fubared. Which could give time for the F14 to get a snapshot off etc...

[youngsyr]

Mutley said:

youngsyr said:

Mutley said:

youngsyr said:

JonRB said:

youngsyr said:

What, reducing throttle to minimum and pulling up hard?

I find that hard to believe.

And deploying the airbrake and flaps, as I recall.

It's a variation on the Harrier's VIFF isn't it?

Ok, I have several issues with this, but am far from an expert.

Firstly, won't deploying the airbrakes and flaps at speed simply rip them off?

Secondly, won't the aircraft stall very quickly after it's put in a steep climb on minimal throttle?

Finally, why on earth can the aircraft following not just do the same?

1 - If you notice the F14 has wings forward, (I can't recall seeing flaps being deployed in this)

2 - Which is why on a sudden stall pull up the throttle is rammed forward again and nose pushed down (ever been to an airshow and watched a stall turn? same principle)

3 - reaction time, element of surprise

Re point 2, I was just trying to clarify this and work out which way the throttle works on an aircraft.

If I recall correctly, Maverick jerks the controls in opposite directions on the manoeuvre (stick hard back, throttle hard forward), so in actual fact is he not accelerating into a climb? If so, that's going to give him absolutely no advantage beyond it being a simple direction change.

I'm not buying 3 either, it's not like the guy following is reading a newspaper whilst all this is going on and he's certainly not going to "fly right by" on a straight and level course at a closing speed of hundreds of mph as shown in the film.

He does indeed, in order to initiate the "stall" you semi accelerate into the climb. For the manoeuver to work with something like the Tomcat you need extra air through the intake to prevent "flame out" when doing the move, it's a simple yank back then forward again, 250odd Kts to 50 and back up again sorta thing - think of the Su 27 Cobra display

At the speeds (and proximity in the film) shown, it is logical and expected that the following pilot can't react in time

There's a difference between not reacting in time (which I'm still not convinced on, but am will to concede that I could be wrong) and continuing on a straight and level course straight past the plane in question though.

[Dracoro]

JonRB said:

Dracoro said:

I don't know a film where the CGI is that good that I hadn't noticed.

How do you know? Maybe you have seen lots of CGI that is so good that you haven't noticed and, errr, well not noticed.

Well, exactly The point is when people go on about the great CGI in a a film they just saw. Wasn't that good as they noticed that it had CGI

Granted, you can't not have CGI in certain films (e.g. superhero films, Sci-fi etc.) but even then they get it wrong. The spiderman CGI was dire, esp the flying through the street scenes, awful, simply awful.

[JRM]

Steve748 said:

Person gets out of car points remote at car and it beeps, has nobody told them cars don't beep anymore?

mine does...

[Kaelic]

JRM said:

Steve748 said:

Person gets out of car points remote at car and it beeps, has nobody told them cars don't beep anymore?

mine does...

Mine pumps its horn F# apparently !

[JonRB]

Kaelic said:

Mine pumps its horn

PH has got so smutty lately.

[fatvik]

JRM said:

Steve748 said:

Person gets out of car points remote at car and it beeps, has nobody told them cars don't beep anymore?

mine does...

+1

[andy400]

Kaelic said:

dictys said:

Hunt for Red October - weather barometer in captain's cabin

lol

Its a naval tradition

Useful when the boat's alongside and the hatches are open?

[Rollcage]

Fex2005 said:

philwhite said:

For me it’s got to be the old 'zooming in on photos', there’s no software that can magnify a photo 10,000 times, it worked in Blade Runner, it doesn’t in anything else.

Ahemmmm ------> http://www.gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?i...

Edited by Fex2005 on Thursday 26th March 16:34

Ahemmmmmmmm - this is not what it seems .It is in fact lots of small pics stitched together .Look closely and you CAN see the joins!

[Steve748]

fatvik said:

JRM said:

Steve748 said:

Person gets out of car points remote at car and it beeps, has nobody told them cars don't beep anymore?

mine does...

+1

You might have old cars then!! It was the other day round at a friends house and she was watching 'Doctors' and every car they show somebody gets out and they all beep with exactly the same sound.

I have not heard a car beep for years when you lock/unlock because the first alarms/CL did beep but the manufacturers got lots of complaints because it is quite loud in the late night n small hours of the morning and they stopped the audio confirmation as really it's not needed, except on the BBC of course.

[Neil_H]

The complete disregard given to (lack of) gravity in pretty much every sci-fi film ever set in space.

[DIW35]

The bit in True Lies where Arnie backs the Harrier in to the tower block. I'm sorry but that would have ripped the ar5e end off that plane and sent it spiralling (not that the rest of the film is any more believable, but hey ho!)

[Dover Nige]

That bit in the fking fast and furious where the black Charger smokes it's tyres and pops a fking stupid fking wheelie at the same time. How fking ridiculous. tts.

[captainzep]

Every fking time you see someone doing CPR on a seemingly dead person -and they cough and splutter back into life. This actually makes people who attempt it in the real world feel like a failure when the dead person doesn't magically open their eyes. When in reality you're just buying a bit of time until a de-fib & cardiac drugs appear. And even then...

[Negative Creep]

Zombies. Everyone knows that for one you can only kill them by destroying the brain and also that if you're bitten you become one. However it will always take all the characters in the film at least half the running time to work this out. Even then, they will never wear thick clothing, helmets or any other protective body armour

Edited by Negative Creep on Thursday 26th March 23:47

[JonRB]

Steve748 said:

I have not heard a car beep for years when you lock/unlock because the first alarms/CL did beep but the manufacturers got lots of complaints because it is quite loud in the late night n small hours of the morning and they stopped the audio confirmation as really it's not needed, except on the BBC of course.

My 1996 Corrado beeps

[sparks_E39]

The way Americans portray us British as tea and crumpet eating toffs...