blitz street c4 9pm

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dudleybloke

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Monday 19th April 2010
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anyone else watching this tonight?

looks good with baldrick showing the effects of different sized bombs in a replica wartime street.

mickk

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Monday 19th April 2010
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Yes, interesting stuff.

Mutley

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Monday 19th April 2010
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Amazing, and shocking, stuff! We just don't know how we'd cope with this, especially n a daily basis

Mutley

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259 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Holy st!! the 250kg just wrecked the street

mickk

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242 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Bottle of milk survived though.
smile

curtisl

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206 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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That was good that. I loved the old footage.

You just can't even start to understand what that must have been like. over 50 nights of continuous bombing!!

dudleybloke

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186 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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just watched part two of this and its just as good as part one.
those incendery bombs where quite nasty.

FourWheelDrift

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Monday 26th April 2010
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I would have thought they would have done some rebuilding or have another street they built earlier or there will be nothing left for the V2 to obliterate.

Zad

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Tuesday 27th April 2010
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They should show blitz footage to some of these 'terrorists'. Make them realise that if London can put up with that many nights of having thousands of tons of high explosive dropped on it, then they really don't stand a cat in hell's chance of swaying the public.

Jasandjules

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229 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Zad said:
They should show blitz footage to some of these 'terrorists'. Make them realise that if London can put up with that many nights of having thousands of tons of high explosive dropped on it, then they really don't stand a cat in hell's chance of swaying the public.
Just show them an episode of Carry on Up the Khyber (the Dinner Party scene). That will prove that no-one will beat the English - we just too f****ng stupid to lose!

ScottishSamurai

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176 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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I still can't take him seriously after blackadder hehe was very interesting though!

Dai Capp

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Friday 30th April 2010
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FourWheelDrift said:
I would have thought they would have done some rebuilding or have another street they built earlier or there will be nothing left for the V2 to obliterate.
My thoughts exactly - an interesting program but I can't help but think if they use the same street with no rebuilding the final episode will be a touch pointless as there won't be anything left...

Hugo a Gogo

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Friday 30th April 2010
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only 600 killed in Coventry raid?

they seemed to be making the point that the bombing didn't work against Britain, it just caused the people to band together and be more determined and more supportive of the war effort

did it not have the same effect on the Jerrys then?

Eric Mc

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265 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Hugo a Gogo said:
only 600 killed in Coventry raid?

they seemed to be making the point that the bombing didn't work against Britain, it just caused the people to band together and be more determined and more supportive of the war effort

did it not have the same effect on the Jerrys then?
Basically yes.

Although the Allied bombing of Germany was on a MUCH larger scale than the German bombing of Britain.

Hugo a Gogo

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Friday 30th April 2010
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so did that make it more effective or more counter-effective?

Eric Mc

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Friday 30th April 2010
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Hugo a Gogo said:
so did that make it more effective or more counter-effective?
That depends on yuour viewpoint.

It certainly had a massive effect on tying up German resources - one of its objectives - and something insisted upon by Stalin at the various Big 3 conferences held during the war..

However, its effect on productivity are far less clear. For most of the war, as the bombing offensive intensified, industrial production increased. It was only in the last year of the war that productivity began to falter - and that was as much to do with the gradual loss of access to oil reserves in the east.

Morale wise, the German people reacted in a very similar way to the British. They just put their heads down and got on with things as best they could.

Hugo a Gogo

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Friday 30th April 2010
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that's the point i'm trying to make

It's generally agreed that the switch to bombing civilian targets was a mistake for the Germans, so wasn't it just as much of a mistake for the allies? the basic lesson learned is 'bombing civilian targets isn't very effective at winning wars'

Eric Mc

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Friday 30th April 2010
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Hugo a Gogo said:
that's the point i'm trying to make

It's generally agreed that the switch to bombing civilian targets was a mistake for the Germans, so wasn't it just as much of a mistake for the allies? the basic lesson learned is 'bombing civilian targets isn't very effective at winning wars'
The decision by the British was initially pragmatic. Up until 1942, Bomber Command couldn't hit specific targets. They had begun the war thinking they would be conducting daylight bombing of strategic military or industrial targets. With the need to switch to night bombing, they found they didn't have the skills or technology to find those types of targets in the dark. The best they could do was aim for city centres.

As the war progressed, the technoligy and training got better so by 1944, bombing was much more accurate - generally speaking. However, by then, Arthur Harris was in control and had become totally committed to the area bombing policy and was reluctant to switch the emphasis to more precise targets - even though Bomber Command were in a position to start being able to find and destroy such targets at night.

FourWheelDrift

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Monday 3rd May 2010
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So it's V1 tonight and V2 next week.

Why do I feel that this could all have been done in one programme.

FourWheelDrift

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Monday 3rd May 2010
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V1 too loud so using the scaling rule by making it smaller but closer to get similar effect. Right, so not worried they won't have anything left after then.

Only in the UK would you get an explosion testing facility restricted in it's activities because the explosions could be too loud for sheep nearby.

Moving it closer and using a scaling rule means nothing really to simulate WWII conditions since it doesn't show you what happens if a V1 hits a house, not what happens if it explodes in an open concrete area next to it.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 3rd May 21:44