Breaking Bad (including spoilers)
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I don't know how to do that spoiler red thing but the title says spoilers right?
SPOILER
It doesn't matter that he was seen by the people at the apartment because he didn't kill Gale so that's not it. I am thinking it's because he let Gale die and it took years for Gus to find Gale and now that Gale's dead I am thinking possibly he has given over some of his power or control to Walt< Without Walt the entire pipeline breaks down. He wanted someone that he could easily rely upon who was also a chemical genius and that guy was Gale. That is my theory anyway.
SPOILER
It doesn't matter that he was seen by the people at the apartment because he didn't kill Gale so that's not it. I am thinking it's because he let Gale die and it took years for Gus to find Gale and now that Gale's dead I am thinking possibly he has given over some of his power or control to Walt< Without Walt the entire pipeline breaks down. He wanted someone that he could easily rely upon who was also a chemical genius and that guy was Gale. That is my theory anyway.
PaulFontaine said:
It doesn't matter that he was seen by the people at the apartment because he didn't kill Gale so that's not it.
It doesn't matter whether he killed Gail or not, he's a way straight back to Gus' organisation. Oh, and the spoiler thing is daft, you are right, we may as well just talk as it says it in the title!
papercup said:
PaulFontaine said:
It doesn't matter that he was seen by the people at the apartment because he didn't kill Gale so that's not it.
It doesn't matter whether he killed Gail or not, he's a way straight back to Gus' organisation. Oh, and the spoiler thing is daft, you are right, we may as well just talk as it says it in the title!
My initial thought was it was due to Victor downplaying the process of cooking. "It is just a recipe, throwing ingredients together". To Gus (and Walt) the purity of the product and the perfection of the process is all important.
I get the impression that the money means nothing to Gus, it is being able to produce the best there is, perfection at all costs. Just think back to how he carried himself in his chicken restaurants, he was a perfectionist when it came to the smallest detail such as personally handing out napkins to customers.
Victor comes along and basically slags Gus and Walt's creation, essentially telling Gus (inadvertently of course) that all his effort and expense doesn't really amount to much and any old numpty can cook meth.
Then I read the other theories about the reason being Victor exposing himself at Gale's apartment and proving a point to Walt that everyone is expendable etc and suddenly my theory doesn't sound so good.
On another note, I hope this series Walt finally gets rid of that abomination he drives.
I get the impression that the money means nothing to Gus, it is being able to produce the best there is, perfection at all costs. Just think back to how he carried himself in his chicken restaurants, he was a perfectionist when it came to the smallest detail such as personally handing out napkins to customers.
Victor comes along and basically slags Gus and Walt's creation, essentially telling Gus (inadvertently of course) that all his effort and expense doesn't really amount to much and any old numpty can cook meth.
Then I read the other theories about the reason being Victor exposing himself at Gale's apartment and proving a point to Walt that everyone is expendable etc and suddenly my theory doesn't sound so good.
On another note, I hope this series Walt finally gets rid of that abomination he drives.
redtwin said:
My initial thought was it was due to Victor downplaying the process of cooking. "It is just a recipe, throwing ingredients together". To Gus (and Walt) the purity of the product and the perfection of the process is all important.
I get the impression that the money means nothing to Gus, it is being able to produce the best there is, perfection at all costs. Just think back to how he carried himself in his chicken restaurants, he was a perfectionist when it came to the smallest detail such as personally handing out napkins to customers.
Victor comes along and basically slags Gus and Walt's creation, essentially telling Gus (inadvertently of course) that all his effort and expense doesn't really amount to much and any old numpty can cook meth.
Then I read the other theories about the reason being Victor exposing himself at Gale's apartment and proving a point to Walt that everyone is expendable etc and suddenly my theory doesn't sound so good.
On another note, I hope this series Walt finally gets rid of that abomination he drives.
No Gus could care less about the exact chemical difference and art required to make the best. Remember he said to Gale "For our purposes 96% is fine" I think it's about power and control for GUS. Maybe Victor got killed because GUS was so mad and he couldn't kill Walt or Jessie. I knew it was bad news for somebody when he put that chemical suit thing on.I get the impression that the money means nothing to Gus, it is being able to produce the best there is, perfection at all costs. Just think back to how he carried himself in his chicken restaurants, he was a perfectionist when it came to the smallest detail such as personally handing out napkins to customers.
Victor comes along and basically slags Gus and Walt's creation, essentially telling Gus (inadvertently of course) that all his effort and expense doesn't really amount to much and any old numpty can cook meth.
Then I read the other theories about the reason being Victor exposing himself at Gale's apartment and proving a point to Walt that everyone is expendable etc and suddenly my theory doesn't sound so good.
On another note, I hope this series Walt finally gets rid of that abomination he drives.
How would the police round up Victor for a line up? Nobody there knew who he was. Like I say just a random latino male, the police would have no other leads for who he was. Unless he left his car there when he went and retrieved Jessie, of course that would still be there now and Gus' problem would still exist.
O/T this is what I love about BB, it is so compelling and well written it withstands close examination and inspires interesting conversation!
O/T this is what I love about BB, it is so compelling and well written it withstands close examination and inspires interesting conversation!
freecar said:
How did Gus meet Gail? This I think is one of the most salent points in this, what did Gail mean to Gus, business? Or more than that? College friend, Bro in law could be anything!
Not sure how he would have met him - I think he was already cooking (he had got his purity up to 96% and said it was long and hard fought to get there) so perhaps he met in a similar way to Walt, just without a Jessie hanging onto him?
I think the flashback to setting up the lab was to show just how long Gus has been planning his takeover from the cartells. He only had a sample of Walts product and again referred to Walt as unprofessional - something he said when he first turned him down in the restaurant. He only relented and employed Walt because he wanted his product to be the best, and however good Gail was, he would always have the second best out there and therefore wouldn't be the preferred choice of his customers.
FREECAR SAID;
How did Gus meet Gail? This I think is one of the most salent points in this, what did Gail mean to Gus, business? Or more than that? College friend, Bro in law could be anything!
I think the point of the flashback was to reinforce that Gus wanted professionalism and Gale was a professional. He didn't regard Walt and Jessie as pros.
rsv gone! said:
FREECAR SAID;
How did Gus meet Gail? This I think is one of the most salent points in this, what did Gail mean to Gus, business? Or more than that? College friend, Bro in law could be anything!
I think the point of the flashback was to reinforce that Gus wanted professionalism and Gale was a professional. He didn't regard Walt and Jessie as pros.
Maybe, but I think the real point was that Gus wasn't planning on going into business with Walt, he was going to cook with Gale but Gale changed Gus' mind! Which ended up killing him!
I did feel sorry for Gale. The twist with the LabNotes is quite intriguing though - I guess Walt's Brother-In-Law will get better and then be on that case looking for the HUUUUUUUGGGGGGGEEEEEE meth lab.
Interestingly, neither Gus nor Jessie said anything for an awful lot of the episode, which I thought was very well done.
Interestingly, neither Gus nor Jessie said anything for an awful lot of the episode, which I thought was very well done.
TonyHetherington said:
I did feel sorry for Gale. The twist with the LabNotes is quite intriguing though - I guess Walt's Brother-In-Law will get better and then be on that case looking for the HUUUUUUUGGGGGGGEEEEEE meth lab.
Interestingly, neither Gus nor Jessie said anything for an awful lot of the episode, which I thought was very well done.
The labnotes, the phone with the missed call, the "money" Gale told Jessie he had. All these things conspire to create a compelling case for the visiting cops!Interestingly, neither Gus nor Jessie said anything for an awful lot of the episode, which I thought was very well done.
Hank isn't getting better any time soon, I think he's going to be retired to a desk by the force and will see the investigation going on around him. I think he's going to figure it out but also figure out that he's been getting benefits from the money for rehabilitation, which will challenge his loyalties. The crunch coming when they start figuring things out and Hank wanting to warn his Brother in law.
freecar said:
TonyHetherington said:
I did feel sorry for Gale. The twist with the LabNotes is quite intriguing though - I guess Walt's Brother-In-Law will get better and then be on that case looking for the HUUUUUUUGGGGGGGEEEEEE meth lab.
Interestingly, neither Gus nor Jessie said anything for an awful lot of the episode, which I thought was very well done.
The labnotes, the phone with the missed call, the "money" Gale told Jessie he had. All these things conspire to create a compelling case for the visiting cops!Interestingly, neither Gus nor Jessie said anything for an awful lot of the episode, which I thought was very well done.
Hank isn't getting better any time soon, I think he's going to be retired to a desk by the force and will see the investigation going on around him. I think he's going to figure it out but also figure out that he's been getting benefits from the money for rehabilitation, which will challenge his loyalties. The crunch coming when they start figuring things out and Hank wanting to warn his Brother in law.
JamieBeeston said:
I see it the other way, Hank getting even more bitter and twisted, the blaming it all (his shooting) on this new Meth lab, and getting extremely bitter and twisted, and then eventually finding out its Walt and either stroking out, or killing him.
Hank doesn't know about the lab and I don't know who would be likely to tell him. If he's able to recover and go back to work, then he'll find out about it. Unless he gets suspicious beforehand and starts asking Gomez questions, I think there are enough questions for Hank to raise suspicions about Walt.freecar said:
JamieBeeston said:
I see it the other way, Hank getting even more bitter and twisted, the blaming it all (his shooting) on this new Meth lab, and getting extremely bitter and twisted, and then eventually finding out its Walt and either stroking out, or killing him.
Hank doesn't know about the lab and I don't know who would be likely to tell him. If he's able to recover and go back to work, then he'll find out about it. Unless he gets suspicious beforehand and starts asking Gomez questions, I think there are enough questions for Hank to raise suspicions about Walt.JamieBeeston said:
freecar said:
JamieBeeston said:
I see it the other way, Hank getting even more bitter and twisted, the blaming it all (his shooting) on this new Meth lab, and getting extremely bitter and twisted, and then eventually finding out its Walt and either stroking out, or killing him.
Hank doesn't know about the lab and I don't know who would be likely to tell him. If he's able to recover and go back to work, then he'll find out about it. Unless he gets suspicious beforehand and starts asking Gomez questions, I think there are enough questions for Hank to raise suspicions about Walt.Thinking about it, Walt may give the game away himself, after visiting Hank, Hank may wonder why Walt is no longer teaching and (if everything continues like it was) why he's now running a car wash and how he paid for that, I know the gambling should cover that story but Hank is brighter than that, he'll accept it but it'll eat at him!
Wow lots of speculation so let me throw my two cents in. First Hank is used to be a really macho in charge and in control police officer so getting shot made him realize how fragile life truly is. We haven't seen him have to face his own mortality being handicapped or introspective before. He has a long time to go before anything happens but i thing down the line it will come to Gus and Hank at some point alone in a face off situation.
Walt and Jessie now have to figure out a smooth way of getting away from Gus while staying alive, out of trouble with the law and not hunted by cartel etc. I am thinking that they will form an uneasy alliance with GUS's main guy, who himself is a super capable and dangerous guy. But Gus's unpredictable and deadly behavior may force his guy to keep all options on the table.
I have no idea if any of it will happen it's just another set of possibilities.
Walt and Jessie now have to figure out a smooth way of getting away from Gus while staying alive, out of trouble with the law and not hunted by cartel etc. I am thinking that they will form an uneasy alliance with GUS's main guy, who himself is a super capable and dangerous guy. But Gus's unpredictable and deadly behavior may force his guy to keep all options on the table.
I have no idea if any of it will happen it's just another set of possibilities.
Why would Walt and Jessie need to get away from Gus now?. They have already established themselves and made it clear to Gus that they are willing (and able) to take out any contenders for their position which Gus seems to accept. Jessie seems to have straightened up and Walt appears to now fully embrace who he has become what with his wife now in on it and the setting up of money laundering operations.
Just keep cooking and getting filthy rich while under Gus' very capable and resourceful wing. It seems to me that the selling/distribution side of the business is the most troublesome so why bother doing that themselves?.
Just keep cooking and getting filthy rich while under Gus' very capable and resourceful wing. It seems to me that the selling/distribution side of the business is the most troublesome so why bother doing that themselves?.
redtwin said:
Why would Walt and Jessie need to get away from Gus now?. They have already established themselves and made it clear to Gus that they are willing (and able) to take out any contenders for their position which Gus seems to accept. Jessie seems to have straightened up and Walt appears to now fully embrace who he has become what with his wife now in on it and the setting up of money laundering operations.
Just keep cooking and getting filthy rich while under Gus' very capable and resourceful wing. It seems to me that the selling/distribution side of the business is the most troublesome so why bother doing that themselves?.
Gus will kill them at his first opportunity. Walt has now shown that he has power in their relationship too and that he can bring GUS's whole operation to a halt plus he killed Gale without any qualms also consider that Walt would be dead now if he hadn't had Gale killed.Just keep cooking and getting filthy rich while under Gus' very capable and resourceful wing. It seems to me that the selling/distribution side of the business is the most troublesome so why bother doing that themselves?.
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