black swan

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darth_pies

697 posts

218 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Not quite as amazing as billed but certainly not a bad film. Very striking visuals and great performance from NP.

Not sure why some of the above posters were confused by it. Its a film about a woman with mental health issues and a (quite subtly referenced) eating disorder - nothing more complicated than that.

If i put my cynical hat on for a second you could unkindly describe it as 'Natalie Portman stares in the mirror for 2 hours'....but i genuinely enjoyed it.

As mentioned a couple of very memorable scenes in there 'for the lads' shall we say eek

Watched it in a posh cinema which serves beer which may have addded to my enjoyment!


Uriel

3,244 posts

252 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Am I the only one that thought it could be interpreted as the mother didn't actually exist, Fight CLub style?

3sixty

2,963 posts

200 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Watched it yesterday. Was dragged along by OH... but I actually quite enjoyed it from a female masturbation cum (lick) eery paranoia film.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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I didn't find it pretentious, but I do understand that sometimes people unwittingly mistake quality for pretentiousness when it comes to films.

I really enjoyed it and I'd recommend it to people that like film, maybe not to people who like 'movies'..

okgo

38,112 posts

199 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Agree.

Leave those people to Avatar and Batman.

TEKNOPUG

18,974 posts

206 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Frankeh said:
I didn't find it pretentious, but I do understand that sometimes people unwittingly mistake quality for pretentiousness when it comes to films.

I really enjoyed it and I'd recommend it to people that like film, maybe not to people who like 'movies'..
I find you quote pretentious, but I do understand that sometimes people unwittingly mistake pretentiousness for quality when it comes to films.

wink

Swings and roundabouts hehe

MiniMan64

16,945 posts

191 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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john_p said:
The Wrestler, watch this.
You know its the same director right?

I was dragged to see this the other week and was pleasently suprised, Portman is great, the visuals are great and it gets you talking about the film.

Plus unexpected lesbianism is always a bonus.

StevieBee

12,933 posts

256 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Mattt said:
It was quite amusing watching the reactions of the older women in the audience.
My 77 year old mum mentioned that when she went to see The Kings Speech, the trailer looked quite good and her and her friend might go and watch it.

My daughter explained some of the scenes to her.

Mum mentioned that she might "give it a miss then"!

Bless.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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TEKNOPUG said:
I find you quote pretentious, but I do understand that sometimes people unwittingly mistake pretentiousness for quality when it comes to films.

wink

Swings and roundabouts hehe
You didn't change enough words for that to make sense. I get what you're saying though.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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StevieBee said:
Mattt said:
It was quite amusing watching the reactions of the older women in the audience.
My 77 year old mum mentioned that when she went to see The Kings Speech, the trailer looked quite good and her and her friend might go and watch it.

My daughter explained some of the scenes to her.

Mum mentioned that she might "give it a miss then"!

Bless.
Unfortunately the reaction of the kids in the audience I saw it with were annoying rather than amusing.

Struggle to see how it had a 15 rating in the first place to be honest.

okgo

38,112 posts

199 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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As opposed to what? a 12?

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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okgo said:
As opposed to what? a 12?
Certainly wasn't a film worthy of an 18 cert.

okgo

38,112 posts

199 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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Frankeh said:
Certainly wasn't a film worthy of an 18 cert.
No, 15 was just right.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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Frankeh said:
okgo said:
As opposed to what? a 12?
Certainly wasn't a film worthy of an 18 cert.
Maybe things have moved on in recent years then, but from memory there was:

- Lesbian Sex
- Straight Sex
- Multiple instances of graphic violence/gore
- Themes of severe mental illness leading to violence
- Drug use
- Self mutilation
- Prolific swearing


Perhaps I'm prudish, but I'd say it was in no way suitable for a 12 year old, and I've seen much tamer 18 certificated films.

Someone told me it had originally received an "X" rating in the States - implying that it had received a rarely high rating.




okgo

38,112 posts

199 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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It's a 15.

What's the problem?

Frankeh

12,558 posts

186 months

Friday 4th February 2011
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youngsyr said:
Maybe things have moved on in recent years then, but from memory there was:

- Lesbian Sex
- Straight Sex
- Multiple instances of graphic violence/gore
- Themes of severe mental illness leading to violence
- Drug use
- Self mutilation
- Prolific swearing


Perhaps I'm prudish, but I'd say it was in no way suitable for a 12 year old, and I've seen much tamer 18 certificated films.

Someone told me it had originally received an "X" rating in the States - implying that it had received a rarely high rating.
You don't see any cooch or tits.
Was there that much gore? Maybe my memories shot but from what I remember that's mostly at the end.
Violence is restricted to her stabbing herself and slamming her mums hand in the door.
Swearing. Meh.
Drug taking, fair point.

XitUp

7,690 posts

205 months

Sunday 6th February 2011
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My girlfriend is adamant that you saw tits. I'm not so sure. I will have to rewatch the scene in question a few times.

I quite liked it.

tonyvid

9,869 posts

244 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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phil-sti said:
did anyone laugh at the old man on the train biggrin i kept making that noise after biggrin
hehe

I saw it a week ago with my mum. I thought it was very good, a little disturbing in places and a little embarrassing to be sitting next to your elderly mother in others(FFS I'm in my late 40s now and can still feel like a kid!)

The other girl, with the tats on her back, did she actually exist or was it just "her dark side" trying to get out?


Edited by tonyvid on Monday 7th February 09:31

MATTP77

697 posts

196 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Mattt said:
yes
I am taking that to the grave boys! haha biggrin

youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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tonyvid said:
The other girl, with the tats on her back, did she actually exist or was it just "her dark side" trying to get out?
I guess you could argue it either way, but to my mind she definitely did exist, even if Nina saw her in her hallucinations at some points.

Elements of the story just wouldn't make sense if she didn't exist - like being at the club with the two guys, taking the drug, having an alternate at the ballet (there would be one).

The girl did serve as a juxtaposition to Nina's perfect and naive side and as the embodiment of her dark side towards the end though, so it's not a clear cut line.

Edited by youngsyr on Monday 7th February 12:07