Game of Thrones - No spoilers

[JagLover]

glazbagun said:

I've always thought it kind of obvious that the various plotlines operate in distinct time scales. The time between the Faith Militant arresting the Queen and the current plan to storm the place can't be long at all- a month or two at most.

Meanwhile Arya has become a ninja in the space of a single episode, despite spending a whole previous season progressing much slower.

We knew about Littlefinger gathering "his" army last season when talking with Cersei, the scene where he brings Arryn the bird and gathers "his" army is the next time we see him and felt overdue even then. I'd say it was his apperance in Ep4 that was out of synch, not Ep5.

This makes the most sense

That we are watching different plotlines at different times in the same episode.

[TREMAiNE]

If you want distances, this interactive map is best:

http://quartermaester.info/


For reference, Bran and Meera are roughly 600 miles from the wall!

Viewing on PC recommended.

[Spanna]

Halb said:

Spanna said:

Some were asking in this thread about Littlefinger's teleportation and I saw this on Reddit showing how far Baelish travelled to meet with Sansa at Molestown (just South of castle black). I think GRRM was asked about travel and how far and fast some time ago, he said travel takes as long as the plot to keep up other than for massive distances (think Tyrion and Varys going to Essos).

The Kingsroad goes right by Winterfell according to the map and Baelish left Vale Knights at Moat Cailin, so he says. Has he popped in to the Boltons on the way passed to say "Hi!"?

Baelish is possibly one of the richest men on the continent, he comes from an area known for smuggling and mastery of the sea, he has an army of informants and spies. I don't see any issue with him popping up. He has never had to pop up on the West coast.
The interesting thing here is the Vale army...they're at Moat Cailin...apparently.....so what do they do now...?

I wasn't moaning about the distances, what we see should move smoothly with the plot, the travel isn't necessary to be known for us. I just thought the way he mentioned Vale Knights were stationed at Moat Cailin, I think he said he 'left them there.' I took that as being part of his route. Sailing North up the East coast makes sense but as we don't know his travel itinerary it doesn't really matter or bother me at all.

I find the map really interesting though, especially the quatermaester interactive one.

The Vale army awaits the command of their Lord Muppet who awaits Baelish's Raven I suspect they'll have a hand in taking Winterfell.

[Halb]

I love maps, used to make up loads when I was young.



After doing some reading on the latest ep and all the craziness it feeds...I now am getting interested in watching Lost...never seen it.

[SilverSixer]

Why don't the White Walkers just hop round the side of the Wall? Why didn't the Wildlings ever do this? In boats, for example.

[glazbagun]

Halb said:

I love maps, used to make up loads when I was young.



After doing some reading on the latest ep and all the craziness it feeds...I now am getting interested in watching Lost...never seen it.

From everything I have read you shouldn't. Lost was apparently full of mysterious plots which hjnted at a deeper meaning or resolution later in the season, but were really just a cynical ploy to keep viewers hooked and the TV station writing cheques for yet another series.

Something I like about GoT, and Babylon 5 20 years before, is that they have multi-arc plots with definite planned resolution. A good, satisfying ending is, I think, a much harder thing for writers to accomplish than a an ever building threat.

First season of Heroes might be worth a watch for a bit of mini-prophesy fulfilment.

[Jonesy23]

SilverSixer said:

Why don't the White Walkers just hop round the side of the Wall? Why didn't the Wildlings ever do this? In boats, for example.

Dont ask inconvenient questions especially as the map shows it would be a quick hop, they have plenty of wood and previous ep has shown a Wildling coastal settlement with jetties and so on that could be sailed to and from with no issues...

[ali_kat]

Halb said:

Spanna said:

Some were asking in this thread about Littlefinger's teleportation and I saw this on Reddit showing how far Baelish travelled to meet with Sansa at Molestown (just South of castle black). I think GRRM was asked about travel and how far and fast some time ago, he said travel takes as long as the plot to keep up other than for massive distances (think Tyrion and Varys going to Essos).

The Kingsroad goes right by Winterfell according to the map and Baelish left Vale Knights at Moat Cailin, so he says. Has he popped in to the Boltons on the way passed to say "Hi!"?

Baelish is possibly one of the richest men on the continent, he comes from an area known for smuggling and mastery of the sea, he has an army of informants and spies. I don't see any issue with him popping up. He has never had to pop up on the West coast.
The interesting thing here is the Vale army...they're at Moat Cailin...apparently.....so what do they do now...?

How did the Vale & RiverRun armies get to Moat Cailin without passing the Twins? They don't have boats...

[FourWheelDrift]

ali_kat said:

How did the Vale & RiverRun armies get to Moat Cailin without passing the Twins? They don't have boats...

Vale - The Kingsroad doesn't take that route. They don't even need to cross the river they are already on the right side.

Riverrun Army, is still at Riverrun I think after taking it back.

[ali_kat]

Jonesy23 said:

SilverSixer said:

Why don't the White Walkers just hop round the side of the Wall? Why didn't the Wildlings ever do this? In boats, for example.

Dont ask inconvenient questions especially as the map shows it would be a quick hop, they have plenty of wood and previous ep has shown a Wildling coastal settlement with jetties and so on that could be sailed to and from with no issues...

I think that the sea is warded against them, part of the magic is that dead things are unable to go over or below the wall, and lacing a ridiculously huge wall made of ice, bound with magic, and manned by an ancient military order seems extremely pointless if the Big Bad can simply go "I just walked around your Wall" and then proceed to stab you to death, animate your corpse, and be on their merry way.

I think the white walkers don't go around the Wall because they don't want to invade Westeros, because the lands beyond the Wall are the Old Races' (COTF, white walkers, Direwolves and Giants) and they want man out of them, that's why the white walkers were created, to drive man out of those lands long ago so the Old Races could keep some land of their own.

And the wildlings didn't have many boats, although small groups did use them to raid the north (one of the reasons The Gift is uninhabited is lack of anti-wildling security); as a group they lacked the co-ordination. Plus they had giants, mammoths etc - all of whom wanted to get through the Wall together.

[ali_kat]

FourWheelDrift said:

Vale - The Kingsroad doesn't take that route. They don't even need to cross the river they are already on the right side.

Riverrun Army, is still at Riverrun I think after taking it back.

Good point!

Hmm, I thought LF was inferring that they were on their way; in that case, how is Brienne going to get past The Twins?

[Halb]

SilverSixer said:

Why don't the White Walkers just hop round the side of the Wall? Why didn't the Wildlings ever do this? In boats, for example.

The wildings do do this, that's how come the Umbers and other have been fighting them for years.

The wall can be scaled too, but I think the wards in it deter any magical thing coming close, like WW & wights

[glazbagun]

Who would Blackfish have retaken reverrun from? The Lannisters or the Freys? I never really got to the bottom of how tha map was divided after the red wedding.

[FourWheelDrift]

ali_kat said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Vale - The Kingsroad doesn't take that route. They don't even need to cross the river they are already on the right side.

Riverrun Army, is still at Riverrun I think after taking it back.

Good point!

Hmm, I thought LF was inferring that they were on their way; in that case, how is Brienne going to get past The Twins?

Down the Kingsroad and cross at the Crossroads Inn then go west, I think Robb chose to cross at the Twins because the Crossroads Inn crossing was too close to Tywin's forces when he was at Harrenhal when they travelled to Riverrun for his grandfather's funeral.

A small number could use a boat elsewhere too, like she did with Jamie.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 25th May 15:21

[lemmingjames]

glazbagun said:

Who would Blackfish have retaken reverrun from? The Lannisters or the Freys? I never really got to the bottom of how tha map was divided after the red wedding.

In the Books, Black Fish still holds River run, then Jamie goes up after hes had his hand lopped off while being taught by Illyn Payne to fight again. Long story short is that he holds talks with BF, BF agrees to hand over RR as long as no-one gets harmed etc. Jamie agrees and during the night, hand over was next day, BF escapes.

RR then becomes some lannister off-cast's castle.

And there ends Jamie story in the books. On tv, he travelled to Dorne and was taught by Jerome

[Halb]

glazbagun said:

Who would Blackfish have retaken reverrun from? The Lannisters or the Freys? I never really got to the bottom of how tha map was divided after the red wedding.

Freys, Lannisters have no interest in wasting money/men to hold all of that...can't wait to see that bit from the trailer, which features everybodys lovely old grand-father...

'and her honeys all mine.'

[ali_kat]

[Silver Smudger]

glazbagun said:

Bran ... wakes up in winterfell and finds he can still walk and Hodor can talk.

It has to do better than that - That's no better than the old Bobby Ewing shower dream!

[Silver Smudger]

Halb said:

Spanna said:

Some were asking in this thread about Littlefinger's teleportation and I saw this on Reddit showing how far Baelish travelled to meet with Sansa at Molestown (just South of castle black). I think GRRM was asked about travel and how far and fast some time ago, he said travel takes as long as the plot to keep up other than for massive distances (think Tyrion and Varys going to Essos).

The Kingsroad goes right by Winterfell according to the map and Baelish left Vale Knights at Moat Cailin, so he says. Has he popped in to the Boltons on the way passed to say "Hi!"?

Baelish is possibly one of the richest men on the continent, he comes from an area known for smuggling and mastery of the sea, he has an army of informants and spies. I don't see any issue with him popping up. He has never had to pop up on the West coast.
The interesting thing here is the Vale army...they're at Moat Cailin...apparently.....so what do they do now...?

He has 4 identical brothers, Pinky, Ring, Middle and Thumb - All working together to keep a finger in every pie

[a311]

ali_kat said:

Enjoyed that. Bran is st.