Bitcoins?

Author
Discussion

fishseller

359 posts

94 months

Tuesday 12th September 2017
quotequote all
rxtx said:
Quite a lot of large 'mining' rigs shown on youtube. I'm not sure how it'll turn out, but I wouldn't mind a load just for fun. Not sure I'm willing to outlay a load of money on a custom miner though.

Did you buy any ? today worth 5K a coin spin

rxtx

6,016 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th September 2017
quotequote all
fishseller said:

Did you buy any ? today worth 5K a coin spin
Thanks for the reminder ...

I was working in foreign exchange when 1 BTC was $1 and I considered buying $500 worth at one point just for a punt, after a discussion at work. Do I have any regrets? Yeah maybe smile

fishseller

359 posts

94 months

Tuesday 12th September 2017
quotequote all
rxtx said:
fishseller said:

Did you buy any ? today worth 5K a coin spin
Thanks for the reminder ...

I was working in foreign exchange when 1 BTC was $1 and I considered buying $500 worth at one point just for a punt, after a discussion at work. Do I have any regrets? Yeah maybe smile
oooO sorry for the reminder same as tho banghead

fishseller

359 posts

94 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
fishseller said:
rxtx said:
fishseller said:

Did you buy any ? today worth 5K a coin spin
Thanks for the reminder ...

I was working in foreign exchange when 1 BTC was $1 and I considered buying $500 worth at one point just for a punt, after a discussion at work. Do I have any regrets? Yeah maybe smile
oooO sorry for the reminder same as tho banghead
just a thought when would you have cashed in ? if say you $500 became $10,000 would you have cashed in? me yes! but the only way to capitalize big time is to forget about your investment and cash in now then you would of made millions !!

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
fishseller said:
fishseller said:
rxtx said:
fishseller said:

Did you buy any ? today worth 5K a coin spin
Thanks for the reminder ...

I was working in foreign exchange when 1 BTC was $1 and I considered buying $500 worth at one point just for a punt, after a discussion at work. Do I have any regrets? Yeah maybe smile
oooO sorry for the reminder same as tho banghead
just a thought when would you have cashed in ? if say you $500 became $10,000 would you have cashed in? me yes! but the only way to capitalize big time is to forget about your investment and cash in now then you would of made millions !!
Researchers estimate 1/3 of all mined bitcoins have been lost to hardware failures and forgotten or lost wallets... that's over $20bn worth today!

hairykrishna

13,166 posts

203 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
Sold the 200 I had at less than $20 per coin.

rufusgti

2,530 posts

192 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
hairykrishna said:
Sold the 200 I had at less than $20 per coin.
Oh my. There's must be so many stories like this. My mother laughed when someone offered to pay for some web design with bitcoin when they were around $2 each.

Such is life.

Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
rufusgti said:
Oh my. There's must be so many stories like this. My mother laughed when someone offered to pay for some web design with bitcoin when they were around $2 each.

Such is life.
Chances are the people that bought at 20 sold at 40 and so on.

There'll be those who bought at 50c and sold at 5k, but I suspect they'll be in the minority.

It's all too easy to look at things that rise dramatically and play the "if only" game.

There will also be those who buy at 10k only to see their value get nailed back to 5k. Or lose them all in a hardware failure etc.

These look quite like classic car prices to me (don't talk to me about those smile). People assuming they'll only go one way. Was reading Classic Cars yesterday and one pundit reckons some cars are now cheap and definitely worth investing in solely on the basis that the same cars have sold for more in the past...an investment genius at play.

hairykrishna

13,166 posts

203 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
I have few regrets about my sale. It was free money as I mined them very, very early. Even if I'd held them I would definitely have sold before now.

I am more annoyed that I considered a large buy last year at ~£400 but didn't get round to it.

Atomic12C

5,180 posts

217 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
I notice that China may ban the transactions of Bitcoins within its domain.
Recent value of Bitcoin dropped on this news.

But then what if all governments decided to make Bitcoin transactions illegal ?

Would the belief, between customer and seller, that a Bitcoin has value still continue if that were the case?


Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
quotequote all
Atomic12C said:
I notice that China may ban the transactions of Bitcoins within its domain.
Recent value of Bitcoin dropped on this news.

But then what if all governments decided to make Bitcoin transactions illegal ?

Would the belief, between customer and seller, that a Bitcoin has value still continue if that were the case?
I think it would marginalise/kill it. Which is the point of the warning. I think the US are threatening the same?

Governments won't want this usurping traditional currencies without having a major piece of the action (which defeats the original objective).

Trolleys Thank You

872 posts

81 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
Murph7355 said:
I think it would marginalise/kill it. Which is the point of the warning. I think the US are threatening the same?

Governments won't want this usurping traditional currencies without having a major piece of the action (which defeats the original objective).
They won't/can't ban Bitcoin. If they ban Bitcoin then they'll also have to outlaw all other crypto assets, some of which (Ripple and Eth) are already being adopted by big banks and insurers.

The main concern I have with Bitcoin is its pseudo anonymous nature. It isn't as private as many people think and down the line that could affect its fungibility as a currency when it comes to identifying illegal activity. For example, a tainted £5 note is a lot harder to track in the system than a bitcoin where addresses of every transaction are stored on the blockchain. Once a bitcoin has been identified as having been used illegally, then it's easier to stop its usage and will become worth less than another bitcoin which hasn't.

This is where currencies like Monero and Zcash could take off in the long run as they offer full transaction anonymity.

Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
For exactly the reasons you note, governments could and likely will either ban or heavily restrict/regulate use.


StottyGTR

6,860 posts

163 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
A success story, speaking to a friend the other day, someone in his uni class bought £250 in bitcoins a few years ago. He just sold them and bought a barge boat in Amsterdam with the profit. I'd imagine a 30,000% increase minimum.

I reckon the price will continue to rise especially as more success stories surface, I'm debating whether its too late to join the party or not scratchchin

pti

1,699 posts

144 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
StottyGTR said:
A success story, speaking to a friend the other day, someone in his uni class bought £250 in bitcoins a few years ago. He just sold them and bought a barge boat in Amsterdam with the profit. I'd imagine a 30,000% increase minimum.

I reckon the price will continue to rise especially as more success stories surface, I'm debating whether its too late to join the party or not scratchchin
They've taken a nosedive recently, so maybe not....

Maxf

8,409 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
Lots of the press about 'banning' relates to ICOs (initial coin offerings); effectively where a new 'coin' is offered at a starting price - the new coin is basically a share in a business idea which may or may not succeed.

With the price rises of Bitcoin (and Etherium) lots of 'investors' want to get in at the bottom of the next big thing, and the usual scam artists are trying to take their cash. As such ICOs are incredibly risky and therefore coming under pressure to be banned in some countries.

An ICO is just an IPO without the regulation. Hence the calls to ban/regulate.

Bitcoin is getting lumped in with this, somewhat incorrectly. Clearly there are still massive risks, but it isn't an ICO type scam. Important to understand the difference as it's usually mis-linked.

Trolleys Thank You

872 posts

81 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
Murph7355 said:
For exactly the reasons you note, governments could and likely will either ban or heavily restrict/regulate use.
They can certainly give it a go and I can see why they might. Cryptos have the ability to massively undermine Nation States and their central banks. But like copyright laws, they will find in practice it to be very difficult to enforce.

pti said:
They've taken a nosedive recently, so maybe not....
Yep, buy the dip.

Edited by Trolleys Thank You on Thursday 14th September 13:34

KarlMac

4,480 posts

141 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
Video I found interesting

https://youtu.be/wBYv6rdAdS4

The real trick is Blockchain.

https://youtu.be/sDNN0uH2Z3o

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
Trolleys Thank You said:
Murph7355 said:
For exactly the reasons you note, governments could and likely will either ban or heavily restrict/regulate use.
They can certainly give it a go and I can see why they might. Cryptos have the ability to massively undermine Nation States and their central banks. But like copyright laws, they will find in practice it to be very difficult to enforce.
Not really. Governments can regulate and control the exchanges where you move your money into and out of cryptos, they could also require you to specifically disclose your crypto activity on your tax return. Sure you could go 'dark' if you really know what you're doing and evade taxes and reporting requirements but you can do that with cash too. Ultimately if cryptos threaten to materially undermine the tax base governments can easily make it very difficult for you to return that money into the banking system and then you'll only be able to spend it on heroin and sex slaves wink

Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
quotequote all
fblm said:
Not really. Governments can regulate and control the exchanges where you move your money into and out of cryptos, they could also require you to specifically disclose your crypto activity on your tax return. Sure you could go 'dark' if you really know what you're doing and evade taxes and reporting requirements but you can do that with cash too. Ultimately if cryptos threaten to materially undermine the tax base governments can easily make it very difficult for you to return that money into the banking system and then you'll only be able to spend it on heroin and sex slaves wink
"only"? What are you wasting the rest on? biggrin