Right to self-defence in homes to be 'much clearer'
Discussion
superkartracer said:
Talksteer said:
To many people on this forum are having fantasies about being some sort of armed vigilante against an evil intruder hell bent on harming their kids/wives/extensive action figure collections.
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Or are very violent people and just want to make sure the law is on their side? [/footnote]
, just a thought.freecar said:
Mr Whippy said:
freecar said:
Mr Whippy said:
grand cherokee said:
Mr Whippy said:
But in this instance, in the UK, guns are not weapons, they are essentially offered as tools.
I'm quite surprised that people on here openly speak the way they do about using their guns in the ways suggested on a public forum... FAC owners especially!
Dave
guns not weapons? - but tools?I'm quite surprised that people on here openly speak the way they do about using their guns in the ways suggested on a public forum... FAC owners especially!
Dave
i'd suggest you might be the weapon/tool? - what the f are you talking about?
in the UK unless there are special circumstances you will get an FAC for a 'sporting rifle' nothing else
yes, some uk citizens get a 'concealed carry' licence but most are security services etc - some now private citizens after retirement from the armed forces/security services can still get one under exceptional circumstances ie their life is still under threat!
a uk 'sporting' rifle from .22 up to say .308 are just that - sporting rifles used for either vermin control/deer stalking - they cannot be 'sawn off' and in the illegal gun trade they are never offered for sale because they are useless apart from what they were intended to 'do'!
Ie, confronting people with intent to use it on your lawn around children?
That is what I am talking about.
In the UK guns are not there to provide protection from intruders, they are there as tools of a trade, or for sport etc.
I'm not quite sure what we are talking about now. The illegal ownership of a pistol or automatic weapon for home protection!?
In the USA, fine. Get a gun and wave it around in your home if it makes you feel safe. But in the UK, most people who DO have a gun legally, are probably best not saying they will use it in the manners discussed by some on here, if they want to retain their right to own them!
When applying for your shotgun cert would you tell the officer interviewing you, you will also find it handy if someone breaks into your house?! No... so just saying that mentioning it on here is possibly a bad move if you are in a responsible position of owning a gun legally in the UK right now!
Dave
I'm not going to bother trying to rebut all your comments, suffice it to say he didn't lose his shotgun certificate so the police who turned up were happy with the way in which he handled himself.
As far as the whole b
ks about waving it without wanting to use it, that's a touch presumptuous isn't it? Why would you assume that a proffesional man wouldn't have considered that before the gun even came out of the house?Frankly you need to wind it in as you have no real experience in this area and have opinions that are out of whack with current and previous legislation. The fact is that no matter what problems you have with my story the police and firearm licencing people didn't so your opinion is irrelevent.
I guess you had to be there.
(I'm sorry Jimbeaux, don't shoot me!) Really, all of these insinuations of violence on my behalf are non-warranted; I haven't shot anyone lately.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 2nd July 14:56
Jasandjules said:
Zaxxon said:
Fug it
Got one rather more powerful than that - the downside is it'll take me 2 mins to cock it..Surely the best idea is to have an illegal hand gun , shoot the burglar dead and tell the police it was the burglars gun.
grand cherokee said:
superkartracer said:
Talksteer said:
To many people on this forum are having fantasies about being some sort of armed vigilante against an evil intruder hell bent on harming their kids/wives/extensive action figure collections.
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Or are very violent people and just want to make sure the law is on their side? [/footnote]
, just a thought.
DWP said:
eharding said:
DWP said:
I do think it's very sweet that you lot think Ken Clarke is going to do anything at all. There will be no difference, no change in the law, no "much clearer" approach to home defense. So all the talk of guns and knives is a pointless wk fest. Clarke has been thrown a bone after the cock up over sentencing, he'll be told to go and play with it in the long grass.
You're a burglar, aren't you?k fest. Clarke has been thrown a bone after the cock up over sentencing, he'll be told to go and play with it in the long grass.Mr Whippy said:
In the UK guns are not there to provide protection from intruders, they are there as tools of a trade, or for sport etc.
Not all the UK is so restrictive.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_U...
I would like that situation in Britain as well.
I have not read the whole thread. Is it true and within the law to turn the scum to face you before executing them rather than slotting them in the back of their head. it's nice to be certain of one's legal position before invoking the law/ the scum slag's legal aid we kicking off (at the tax payer's expense.)
e kicking off (at the tax payer's expense.)I once saw some shadows coming through my windows which I was totally convinced were an actual person. I came to the conclusion that it was a burglar and decided to arm myself.
Despite having legal shotguns and a rifles I quickly came to the conclusion that it was not practical to fetch them from the respective cabinets quickly enough without being seen and thought a large kitchen knife would suffice. I then thought that a knife was really not my style and that in practice there was no way I was going to stick a knife in someone and decided that a frying pan was the next best thing.
Anyway, it turned out that it was a very human shaped plant(honestly!) causing the shadow but it clearly showed that if I had actually been faced with a burglar he would have been met by a standard kitchen implement rather than an actual weapon.
Despite having legal shotguns and a rifles I quickly came to the conclusion that it was not practical to fetch them from the respective cabinets quickly enough without being seen and thought a large kitchen knife would suffice. I then thought that a knife was really not my style and that in practice there was no way I was going to stick a knife in someone and decided that a frying pan was the next best thing.
Anyway, it turned out that it was a very human shaped plant(honestly!) causing the shadow but it clearly showed that if I had actually been faced with a burglar he would have been met by a standard kitchen implement rather than an actual weapon.
Mars said:
And the UK is in a mess?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3676743/...No the Uk is fine...
70 years old FFS
Edited by superkartracer on Monday 4th July 21:41
Mr_annie_vxr said:
BruceV8 said:
Indeed. I might be wrong about this - indeed I hope I am wrong - but if I lawfully engaged an assailant with a shotgun or one of my rifles, and even if no charges were laid against me (or if they were I was found not guilty) I can't escape the suspicion that my SGC and/or FAC would be revoked. Is this generally the case or am I needlessly worrying?
If no charges whatsoever. No issue. Although I don't think you'd get your used ammunition back.
superkartracer said:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3676743/...
No the Uk is fine...
70 years old FFS
No the Uk is fine...
70 years old FFS
Edited by superkartracer on Monday 4th July 21:41
superkartracer said:
If only she had a gun to defend herself, because in other countries stuff like this never ever happens.... 
Why do you keep posting these freak, one off cases. Why not look some where like here
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/cri...
for a useful look at crime?
superkartracer said:
These were from the last few days! there are 100's if you look for them.
Nothing to do with guns , but at least they could have stabbed them in the eye.
My point is that you are doing nothing but posting individual stories in some kind of masturbatory indulgence to how the UK is something something.... It's pointless and offers very little, cases like these 100's you talk about exist in every country on the planet and in most cases in much greater numbers.Nothing to do with guns , but at least they could have stabbed them in the eye.
Shuvi Tupya said:
2 minutes? Probably not even great deal of use in a zombie attack!
Surely the best idea is to have an illegal hand gun , shoot the burglar dead and tell the police it was the burglars gun.
Well, I have to get the cocking lever down from the top of the wardrobe...............Surely the best idea is to have an illegal hand gun , shoot the burglar dead and tell the police it was the burglars gun.
Sorry to other poster, I don't have a picture of it but it's this one (I don't have the handle on the bottom of it that's what you stand on to cock it, I have bolts in the side at the front which the cocking lever attaches to so I can cock it without breaking my arms)
http://www.bbgunuk.com/150lb+Jackal+Crossbow+Packa...
Could anyone here talking of shooting trespassers dead live with themselves some time after the event when the anger at home being invaded etc. has worn off and you come to the conclusion you've actually taken a life? Fair enough if so, but I'm not sure I could. I think I'd feel the same amount of remorse from that as if I was involved in a RTC (for example) that was my fault and a person died.
Tonsko said:
Could anyone here talking of shooting trespassers dead live with themselves some time after the event when the anger at home being invaded etc. has worn off and you come to the conclusion you've actually taken a life? Fair enough if so, but I'm not sure I could. I think I'd feel the same amount of remorse from that as if I was involved in a RTC (for example) that was my fault and a person died.
How would it be your fault though if they were trespassing?Perhaps I worded it badly - I think I'd feel as much remorse from killing an intruder as I would killing someone by accident (for example in a RTC). I'd still feel that I had taken a life. In the heat of the moment (of the burglary or whatever), if I had the means and there was a threat to me, I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but as time went on and the adrenaline/anger/resentment at having my home invaded faded, I imagine I'd feel pretty horrible.
Truthfullly though, I have no idea how I'd react. I'm a complete pussy, so I'd probably just try to barricade myself (+family)in a room and let them take what they wanted, in preference to standing up to them.
So, yeh. Would no-one else feel that?
Truthfullly though, I have no idea how I'd react. I'm a complete pussy, so I'd probably just try to barricade myself (+family)in a room and let them take what they wanted, in preference to standing up to them.
So, yeh. Would no-one else feel that?
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