Right to self-defence in homes to be 'much clearer'

[turbobloke]

Jimbeaux said:

Bing o said:

ErnestM said:

IMHO, it is close to worthless recognizing a homeowner's right to self defense but at the same time denying people the right to own the proper tools to do so.

I do suppose it is a (very small) step in the right direction, though.

Because the US is such a peaceful safe place to live.

Waahhhhh!

[BruceV8]

Bing o said:

I'd rather the UK as a society dealt with why people feel the need to commit property crime in the first place and dealt with that.

Its all a bit "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime". I do agree that this is a laudable aim we should be striving for, but it doesn't address the immediate problems of here and now.

Bing o said:

And deliver proper punishments to those who are caught. Burglary should be an automatic 5 years at the first offense, 10 for the second, and life for the third.

Most burglars are prolific anyway, so locking one up for life would cost money in jail time, but would save more in terms of policing, insurance premiums etc.

This does though and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[IanMorewood]

Anyone who breaks into my house whilst we are in will have my wife to deal with.

[hairykrishna]

I'm not sure why people seem to think that it's not possible to own the 'correct tools' to defend your house in the UK. Licences are fairly easy to acquire. For example, a good friend of mine shoots in 'practical shotgun' competitions and owns an entirely legal Saiga-12. This is effectively a AK47 chambered for 12 gauge shotgun and would ensure that anyone breaking into his house would have a very bad day.

[Digga]

BruceV8 said:

Bing o said:

I'd rather the UK as a society dealt with why people feel the need to commit property crime in the first place and dealt with that.

Its all a bit "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime". I do agree that this is a laudable aim we should be striving for, but it doesn't address the immediate problems of here and now.

Nice sentiment, but not sure what the hell we can actually do about it.

If, like me, you haven't been inside a prison or youth offener's institute recently - as I doubt you have - you'd be excused for not realising how fked we are as a result of the last government's abdication of immigration control. I am reliably that within such facilities, there are whole gangs of immigrant criminals, with little or no grasp of English, or our culture, let alone any prospect or intention of earning an honest crust.

You name them, they're represented somewhere, by the gang-full, in the prison system; Iraqi, Somali, Vietnamese, etc. etc. and there is not a hope of fixing it now. They are here and we'll be dealing with the consequences of their presence, along with our homegrown scrotes and idiots for decades.

[hairykrishna]

Sonic said:

How do i go about purchasing and owning such a magnificent machine? I had no idea these were available in the UK.

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/?page=items&cat_...

Join a gun club, buy a gun safe, apply for FAC. It's a relatively painless process (depending slightly on your local plod).

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.davidson1/fac_a...

[Shuvi Tupya]

hairykrishna said:

I'm not sure why people seem to think that it's not possible to own the 'correct tools' to defend your house in the UK. Licences are fairly easy to acquire. For example, a good friend of mine shoots in 'practical shotgun' competitions and owns an entirely legal Saiga-12. This is effectively a AK47 chambered for 12 gauge shotgun and would ensure that anyone breaking into his house would have a very bad day.

Let's just hope he has the time to go and get it out of his gun safe before the intruders get to him...

[IanMorewood]

Shuvi Tupya said:

Let's just hope he has the time to go and get it out of his gun safe before the intruders get to him...

Surely he was sat in bed cleaning it in preparation of an early morning rough shoot when they broke in at 3:42am?

[turbobloke]

Shuvi Tupya said:

hairykrishna said:

I'm not sure why people seem to think that it's not possible to own the 'correct tools' to defend your house in the UK. Licences are fairly easy to acquire. For example, a good friend of mine shoots in 'practical shotgun' competitions and owns an entirely legal Saiga-12. This is effectively a AK47 chambered for 12 gauge shotgun and would ensure that anyone breaking into his house would have a very bad day.

Let's just hope he has the time to go and get it out of his gun safe before the intruders get to him...

Not to mention retrieving the ammunition from a different location, though apparently this need not be locked for shotgun cartridges (but probably is) and the time to load up...

[IanMorewood]

turbobloke said:

Not to mention retrieving the ammunition from a different location, though apparently this need not be locked for shotgun cartridges (but probably is) and the time to load up...

That was in the bandelier that he had already loaded in preparation for the shoot, after all those pesky rabbits can take a lot of double0 to stop.

Actually thinking about it would you use something fairly light shot wise in an intruder situation, close range its still going to make one hell of a hole in them using number 6 rather than buckshot.

[Sonic]

hairykrishna said:

Sonic said:

How do i go about purchasing and owning such a magnificent machine? I had no idea these were available in the UK.

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/?page=items&cat_...

Join a gun club, buy a gun safe, apply for FAC. It's a relatively painless process (depending slightly on your local plod).

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.davidson1/fac_a...

Awesome, thanks. Time to find a gun-club...

[hairykrishna]

IanMorewood said:

turbobloke said:

Not to mention retrieving the ammunition from a different location, though apparently this need not be locked for shotgun cartridges (but probably is) and the time to load up...

That was in the bandelier that he had already loaded in preparation for the shoot, after all those pesky rabbits can take a lot of double0 to stop.

Actually thinking about it would you use something fairly light shot wise in an intruder situation, close range its still going to make one hell of a hole in them using number 6 rather than buckshot.

It's magazine fed so rather than a bandolier he's more likely to have a few 10 round mags...

[y2blade]

Zaxxon said:

This lies just under my bed.

I don't want to kill the tt, but with this I can blind him for a short while and then knock some sense into him....a few times.

Then go and get the Global

snap

mine is the 6 Cell one

[BoRED S2upid]

I don't have anything under my bed or any weapons close by ive never felt the need. I best go and buy myself some self defence tools

[T84]

turbobloke said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bing o said:

ErnestM said:

IMHO, it is close to worthless recognizing a homeowner's right to self defense but at the same time denying people the right to own the proper tools to do so.

I do suppose it is a (very small) step in the right direction, though.

Because the US is such a peaceful safe place to live.

Waahhhhh!

Canada is :-D

[ErnestM]

T84 said:

turbobloke said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bing o said:

ErnestM said:

IMHO, it is close to worthless recognizing a homeowner's right to self defense but at the same time denying people the right to own the proper tools to do so.

I do suppose it is a (very small) step in the right direction, though.

Because the US is such a peaceful safe place to live.

Waahhhhh!

Canada is :-D

Unless you live in Vancouver and the Canucks get their ass handed to them by the Bruins.

[Jimbeaux]

ErnestM said:

T84 said:

turbobloke said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bing o said:

ErnestM said:

IMHO, it is close to worthless recognizing a homeowner's right to self defense but at the same time denying people the right to own the proper tools to do so.

I do suppose it is a (very small) step in the right direction, though.

Because the US is such a peaceful safe place to live.

Waahhhhh!

Canada is :-D

Unless you live in Vancouver and the Canucks get their ass handed to them by the Bruins.

Yea, that was a great demonstration of "peaceful", was it not?

[eharding]

The BBC said:

Stabbing burglars 'will be legal'

Soooo....any householder who has been the victim of a burglary should be allowed to visit the most convenient prison and stab a convicted burglar.

Obviously, the chances of stabbing your particular burglar are fairly remote, but the principle is served, everything evens out in the end, and re-offending rates drop to zero.

Sorted.

Honestly, I don't know why people make such a song and dance about running the country. All you need is a modicum of common sense and a robust will to get things done.

[Northern Munkee]

I don't think this is fair, surely the easiest time to stab a burglar is when he's got his back turned? That's how they do it in the b&w war films, sneak up behind, hand over the mouth, stilleto through (I can't remember the rib numbers), twist/waggle.... and out!

[T84]

Jimbeaux said:

Yea, that was a great demonstration of "peaceful", was it not?

That's an isolated incident though, generally it's pretty safe...